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Somebody who believes that foreigners, and gay people are taking over the country, that the conservative party has been appointed by god to run the country on its behalf,(god being an entity, and not a real physical presence),that anyone out of work especially if they had a manual type job, is a benefit scrounger, anyone off sick is a scrounger, and that pensioners are treated terribly, that the nhs is a private hotel for them, (they soon realise when admitted that this is wrong), that cyclists are the spawn of the devil put there to be screamed at when theyre on the road, that every man is a potential paedophile, except the one theyre sleeping with, that when theyre stopped for speeding or given a ticket for illegal parking they always say why dont hey catch real criminals.
Finally why is there always a herd of them at any public gathering, cafe, workplace etc, even some bike rides.
Help required as euthenasia is still illegal.
I have some 'Tory'/right wing mates, but in certain situations, just occaisionally, that depth of shared feeling and experience just isn't there on some subliminal level.
It's not deliberate, just the way things work out.
I knock about with a hugely diverse group of people - mostly, I've no idea of their politics or views.
Political, social and philosophical outlook affects how you live your life, be it appreciation of art & literature, how you deal with problems, even how you deal with relationships, but it's not a deal breaker when it comes to friendship.
I find those with little or no empathy toward others tend, just tend mind, to be those with more right wing views.
Not all right wingers are like this of course, just as not all lefties are models of sympathy and understanding.
But there does tend to be a fundamental difference in how people see life which relates to social, philosophical and political outlook.
Best not to worry about it really - people turn out differently for a myriad of complicated reasons.
I reckon the trick is not to judge them on what they say they believe, but on how they act and behave as individuals.
But if they are your basic mindless idiot, as described, just ignore them - plenty of decent people out there 😀
Nice walk in the countryside, shovel, shallow grave, job done.
Arguing with them is pointless, just quietly knock off as many as possible.
I read the sun, do I meet the op's criteria??
Ignore them.
Alternatively post on singletrack drawing attention to how superior you are?
Or better yet just share some of your opinions with them - you'll drive them nuts 🙂
I find a couple of sieg heils does the trick...
Then agree about the dirty immigrants coming over here claiming benefits taking all our jobs having never worked a day in their lives....
Personally, it's the whiney left wingers that fanny about reading the Guardian that do my nut.
I'm not racist, but...
A classic.
I find them to be excellent company and always up for a laugh..
Luckily I dont often mix with students, the unemployed or public employees in my leisure time so rarely have to associate with leftie types. The few I am forced to spend time with are terrible bores though.. each and every one of them a clone of the other and resoundlingly blinkered in their views.
Although this forum seems to collect them like flies around.. well.. flies around lefties actually.
be glad they can read, I heard most of the commoners only look at the pictures
OP, wow! Get some help.
At least get out for a long ride.
I find that on the rare occasion I read a 'right wing' newspaper, I treat the content exactly as I do those with a 'leftie bent' ie. with a very large pinch of salt and don't feel the need to post an intolerant, generalised rant on an MTB forum in the mistaken belief that I am much more clever and 'correct' than them.
Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.........................maybe 😉
Woody, I agree, but the Indy is soooooooo boring. 😀
I prefer the Telegraph, tbh.
It generates enough self righteous indignation to see me through the day AND it's great at the non political stuff. 🙂
Know thine enemy, eh?
I think with newspapers the distinction is not right or left but tabloid and broadsheet.
As above everything you read will reflect the bias of the author.
This forum does seem to collect a good deal of angry lefties although it has got better of late in that regard.
I think with newspapers the distinction is not right or left but tabloid and broadsheet.
As above everything you read will reflect the bias of the author.
This forum does seem to collect a good deal of angry lefties although it has got better of late in that regard.
This forum does seem to collect a good deal of angry lefties although it has got better of late in that regard.
The forum doesn't collect anything.
It's merely a reflection of the opinions of those who can be arsed to post.
As someone of a leftist background I'd say it represents a fine collection of frothers of all persuasions.
What's the point of the OP anyway? The title doesn't correspond to his/her/your accompanying rhetoric/waffle.
apparently it takes all sorts i bet they are the muppets that watch x-factor/strictly etc
reading the talkbacks on the daily telegraph/mail etc is a gut wrenching reminder of how unpleasat some people are
apparently it takes all sorts i bet they are the muppets that watch x-factor/strictly etc too
Comfy up there, Kimbers?
well the saddle chaffes a bit but i live with it
I used to work with people who would read right wing red tops, and believe every word, and often spout it back out verbatim in the lunch queue. They would often seem incredulous I didn't believe any of it unless I knew of corroborating evidence, or it wasn't insane etc...
I don't think the politics is main the thing. People of all persuasions will often believe anything they're told. But some people seek out more disturbing forms of nonsense to believe...
Woody - Member
I find that on the rare occasion I read a 'right wing' newspaper, I treat the content exactly as I do those with a 'leftie bent' ie. with a very large pinch of salt and don't feel the need to post an intolerant, generalised rant on an MTB forum in the mistaken belief that I am much more clever and 'correct' than them.Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.........................maybe
Oh, how very, very true! My sentiments exactly. 😀
foreigners, and gay people are taking over the country
Fingers crossed... 😉
IT depends how right wing they are whether I an be arsed engaging with them tbh.
Many have little empathy and little information so it is pointless to challenge them. I often find the best thing is to be very left wing and PC as this annoys the hell out of them - elzorillo I think this is what is happening to you tbh as they see you as beyond redemption and effort so they wind you up as it pointless challenging you.
I dont care much whether folk are right or left wing but the heartless ones I have little time for - all doleys are lazy, prison is like a holiday camp, immigrants are eating our swan types. there are often not very bright IME [ that is just for Jamie to froth at 😉 ]
Funny that the ratio of right v left on here [ STW and this thread] is fairly even but only the right wingers are saying this place is left wing.
If they were like the OP describes i would just avoid or challenge till one of us got bored. Serious racism and homophobia is something i will never let pass and I could not be friends with someone who held those views. thankfully the Public sector is full of lefties leaving the right wing to be the engine of society and the creators of the wealth that we all require to implement our left wing agenda apparently.
Gawd Bless em
The few I am forced to spend time with are terrible bores though.. each and every one of them a clone of the other and resoundlingly blinkered in their views.
I do aspire to be have the level of openess you have towards the left in my views of right wingers 😕 OH the ironing
Personally, it's the whiney left wingers that fanny about reading the Guardian that do my nut.
+1 - particularly the holier than thou, moralising witless twerps on their pedestals who let what they loathe define them.
Politically I consider myself a moderate, neither Left, Right or Liberal - I feel unrepresented by what's on offer.
foreigners, and gay people are taking over the country
*crosses fingers*
particularly the holier than thou, moralising witless twerps on their pedestals who let what they loathe define them
You seem to be letting what you loathe define you.
Its quite funny how the most vociferous haters of the left seem to display, but from a right wing view, the same attitude they deplore.
I guess that says something about humanity rather than politics as i certainly know lefites who do the same.
JY - I'm not the one that keeps popping up on this sort of thread whining and moaning, (that's not aimed at you, either) but there really is a pompous element on here that get on my T***. And I find left / right debates tedious and feel disappointed with myself for dipping in thus far.
No the cap fits me to some degree- well I do engage in the politics threads.
i think those with strong views just like debating this stuff and it annoys others more than them/us.
deluded - MemberPersonally, it's the whiney left wingers that fanny about reading the Guardian that do my nut.
+1 - particularly the holier than thou, moralising witless twerps on their pedestals who let what they loathe define them.
Politically I consider myself a moderate, neither Left, Right or Liberal - I feel unrepresented by what's on offer.
See, this is the problem.
Decent, honest, moral people are just ignored. You don't count in the minds of those who make decisions.
Those with power seek more power and will constantly attempt to exploit those without unless someone tries to stop them.
Acquisitive human behaviour I'm afraid, basic design flaw.
In a capitalist democracy the powerful will do increasingly inhuman and nasty things to those with less power unless annoying, whiny lefties try to redress the balance. 😀
We all know that democracy is a fine and just institution.
But the flawed concept of a totally free market means that a minority benefits at the extent of a the majority.
Surely what we want is the best outcome for the most people?
Which means that the left and the right have to be ultimately accountable to those nice, decent and honest people in the middle who, unfortunately, can't actually be arsed to do anything. 😀
unfortunately, can't actually be arsed to do anything.
Rusty - You might be right. The shower in the HoP have left me totally apathetic.
The worst problem with the lefties, is the holier than thou attitude some adopt. I find nothing funnier than a champagne socialist defending their huge house, shiny New Mercedes Benz, manipulation of the education system and tax avoiding tendencies. All because they can't admit they're really as greedy and grasping as their rightie equivalent and just want to feel better about themselves 😉
The red tops play to lowest common denominator and as Woody said the truth is somewhere in the middle, whats concerning is how many people take them as gospel.
Junkyard - I agree with you serious racism and homophobia can't be allowed to pass and anyone with those views can go boil their head, I want nothing whatsoever to do with anyone with those views. my wife has been on the receiving end of casual racism for years - including from a***holes that claimed to be friends.
That said casual racism toward eastern Europeans seems to be acceptable at the moment. how long before we get a re-working if "Love Thy Neighbor" (That dates me) I wonder?
OP was it you that was bitten by the rabid spider yesterday or are you the just leftie equivalent of a Daily Mail reader?
To some degree that is what the system is designed to do, make us think we cannot influence it or change it.
Clegg, Cameron or Milliband - not one of them I feel any love or affinity with tbh and not much to choose between them either in upringing or outlook.
The worst problem with the lefties, is the holier than thou attitude some adopt.
Your right they should just admit they are selfish and self centred and think only of themselves rather than the greater good. I mean who is not like that RIGHT?
I dont get that attack tbh or the high horse, some folk have principles just deal with it rather than insult them.
I dont think you have to be poor to care though it is easy to criticise them.
DP
I think, difficult as it is, to be accepting of arseholes. There are bloody loads of them in all parts of life AND THERE IS LITTLE YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
*glitchy middle of the road bump*
so where did my post go then?
Right wingers?
Narrow minded, blinkered, bigoted idiots the bloody lot of them. They are all just oxygen thieves and you'll never convince me of anything else.
so where did my post go then?
Temporarily swallowed by the glitch*
*New forum coming in 2008.
Kevevs - MemberI think, difficult as it is, to be accepting of arseholes. There are bloody loads of them in all parts of life AND THERE IS LITTLE YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
It's a long game Kev.
No point in making yourself ill.
Best advice I ever received was just to be yourself and be as decent as you can to as many people as possible.
You'll never convince bigots to be other than they are - it'll take a change in their personal circumstances to convince them otherwise.
I used to work with a bloke who delighted in raising his son to be a rascist, sexist, homophobe.
Used to go and watch football with them occaisonally and it was painful to see a nice young kid being slowly indoctrinated.
What can you do, apart from hopefully provide a good example?
absolutely mate! you have to try to be the nice guy to show them how to behave! not like it'll ge you anywhere.
kimbers - Member
apparently it takes all sorts i bet they are the muppets that watch x-factor/strictly etcreading the talkbacks on the daily telegraph/mail etc is a gut wrenching reminder of how unpleasat some people are
Love it when people unwittingly demonstrate their own point with their very own post.
Mods. Shut this thread down. Political s***e
it's an interesting discussion mattsccm
it's an interesting discussion mattsccm
No, no. Matt has spoken.
Mods. Shut her down!
mattsccm - Member
Mods. Shut this thread down. Political s***e
What is wrong with it?
anyway it'd be a lot more caring and sharing world (I know that sounds crap) if people gave a little bit of thought to the lives of others around them. WE could change things if WE did this everyday, unfortunately we are designed to be a bit selfish. But we should try harder to be more caring to each other.
Does matt know about swear filter avoidance rules the naughty boy Tut tut bit daft when you can write shite as well and from what I have seen he really can write shite 😉
Junky, you can write shit, too. Apparently. *
*Awaits ban hammer!*
*I should know, I do so often.
[i]and gay people are taking over the country[/i]
no chance too busy getting ready to go out dahliinnnngggg 😆
haha!
A friend of mine had to sit in his work van and listen to some ****head almost agreeing with the actions of Anders Brevik.
that's a difficult situatioin mudmonster.
I grew up listening to a few otherwise decent, thoughtful people justify the actions of paramilitary murderers.
Just a few mind, but it's amazing how these ridiculous ideas can infiltrate the otherwise sane and responsible minds of rational folk.
I'm working with a lad who was raised in an almost diametrically opposed culture at the moment - it's great to see how much common ground we have in our shared revulsion of the idiots on either side. 😀
A friend of mine had to sit in his work van and listen to some ****head almost agreeing with the actions of Anders Brevik.
easy, agree with him and then drive off, leaving him somewhere horrible.
Sadly every few weeks i have to listen to stuff like i started this thread off with, and what gets me is the people spouting this crap are quite inteligent people, not the typical working class that is usually assosiated with their so called type od attidude.
For the record i see myself as working class.
Some excellent discussion so far.
Interesting grammar. Where did you school?
what do you do for a living Rusty Spanner? i'm just curious, you sound like a decent chap
It's a hard one to deal with for sure, i can sympathise if it winds you up as my blood used to boil (see below) but the best form of retort i've found is not react or bite back but just totally blank/ignore them with an incredulous stare as that seems to annoy them further rather than attempt to converse or change their opinion
My boss at work is not necessary right wing as such, he's just a racist and bigoted pr-i-c-k as he constantly refers to anyone of Asian, African, or anyone not with white pale pasty skin born in the uk in fact as ****'s, Wogs, ****s, chinks, japs etc...etc and they should all f-off back to their own country, he's got a particular hatred of anyone homosexual which as i've got a few gay friends (male & female) along with afghani friends who visit me and my family a couple of times a year so we usually pop into the public side of my workplace and this really gets under his skin, he has to act pleasant and all nicey-nicey but we can see his face getting redder and redder as his blood pressure boils over and my mates act really-really nice and friendly towards him when they're paying for stuff or placing an order, a few times they've touched his hand by accident as they've handed over payment for food or goods....his reaction is priceless, you'd think he'd been stuck with a taser and whilst it causes me no end of hassle and snidey backhanded comments regarding my own sexuality when i'm at work during the week i just find the whole drama incredibly pathetic and thus i can do pretty much what i like as he knows he could never sack me otherwise the shit would really hit the fan. That's not to say i don't work my arse off - i actually work quicker than anyone as i figure the less time i spend there the better, i've got the highest productivity output per hours worked of anyone in the factory and never had an order delayed for shipping due to not getting it done in time but i do work on my own terms & conditions and seeing as i still get paid minimum wage (only worked there for 5 yrs - shrug!) i make my own hours up, i go in when i like and finish when i like so i put up with his behaviour as there is perks to be had like time off when i decide i want it.
I'm not naming what i do as it wouldn't take that much thought to find out where i work or stay from my previous posts on stw.
Ignore them or act really-really nice towards right wing nut-jobs - you'll never convince them otherwise as i believe it is a product of their upbringing and as such it is ingrained into their subconscious from birth and it is an incredible waste of your energy to try otherwise and it can make you very angry and bitter as i found when i started to work for him but i soon learned to use it to my advantage....Right winged bigots will all die out eventually otherwise i really do fear for the human race as a species, or have we reached the tipping point already?.
And yeah.....he's an avid Sun reader in the morning followed by the Daily Mail at lunchtime or afternoon - not that i'm casting aspersions on either of those fine scholarly tomes or their readers, i'd just rather they kept their daily rant to themselves or possibly form their own opinions for a change.
Sadly every few weeks i have to listen to stuff like i started this thread off with, and what gets me is the people spouting this crap are quite inteligent people, not the typical working class that is usually assosiated with their so called type od attidu
Wow.
What a way to let yourself down 🙁
So you equate intelligence with perceived 'class'?
How sad.
Have you actually read any posts other than your own?
That's me out of here.
Sorry, but you've just personified the attitudes you profess to despise.
Kev, ta for that.
I'm a domiciliary care worker btw.
I thought the idea of gay foreigners taking over the country sounded quite interesting until I read this http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/why-portillo-outed-himself-738244.html
Should looney lefty idiots be treated any different?. What about muslim extremeists who want everyone who isn't "of islam" killed off? You twist and moan about the BNP ect but say nothing about bigoted islamic fanatics who want you dead. TRY GETTING REAL FOR A CHANGE!
Rant over.
can I just hit your boss with a virtual punch? what a mindless dickhead! interesting stuff somafunk, thanks for posting.
Sorry, by intelligence, i meant that they tell you they have a highly paid job, highly skilled, and the have a degree etc etc.
But sadly no compassion or common sence, just their world of always being right.
They also seem to quote what they read in right wing papers as being like the gospel.
I'd happily co-exist peacefully with even the most rabid right-winger as long as i could withhold their right to vote
They also seem to quote what they read in right wing papers as being like the gospel.
and everything printed by the left wing press is gospel is it?
FTFYI'd happily co-exist peacefully with even the most rabid [s]right-winger[/s]bigot as long as i could withhold their right to [s]vote[/s]breathe
He's not worth getting wound about Kevevs - he's really not!, The thing is his wife and kids are not like him in the slightest, almost the other way infact but i guess they feel they have to reign it in to keep the peace, you can occasionally hear him going off on one in his office as he has to speak to foreign sales staff or deal with foreign orders. Tiz a shame that someone could be brought up in the latter half of the 20th century with such views - Gawd knows what his upbringing must have been like as a child to make him turn out the way he is - another form of child abuse i guess.
and everything printed by the left wing press is gospel is it?
Yes it is, actually. The Guardian is dictated by God every morning, and engraved onto tablets of stone by the archangel Clair of Short, and saint Neil ok Kinnock
You right wingers are godless heathens, so wouldn't know anything about this
soma funk great story, please put a vid up on you tube.
They also seem to quote what they read in right wing papers as being like the gospel.and everything printed by the left wing press is gospel is it?
as most of the press is owned and controled by the capitalist media, there are very few socialist newspapers, Socialist worker if still going used to be a great read.
I wouldn't wipe my arse on the guardian it's full of shit to start with, and as for Kinnock didn't he get a megabucks job with the EU, called selling out isn't it? Lefty = hypocrite loser they all preach and bleat but as soon as anyone waves a wad of cash they change their views on capitolism. Gobshites the lot of them.
Just thought of a similar analogy :
If you are brought up by drug addict parents whether that be alcohol or prescription or so called illegal drugs then you are statistically more likely to turn that way yourself when life throws you a curveball, same for child abusers who are statistically more likely to have been abused themselves, while this does not absolve them of responsibility i feel that we, as a civilised society have to come to terms with this inarguable fact and find some way of dealing with the problem compassionately and without prejudice, unfortunately i doubt this will ever happen as the current consensus seems to be string em up/chemically castrate them/burn them out of their homes etc...etc.
I'm so glad i'm not a social worker - i'd fret myself into an early grave.
Just thought of a similar analogy :
If you are brought up by drug addict parents whether that be alcohol or prescription or so called illegal drugs then you are statistically more likely to turn that way yourself when life throws you a curveball, same for child abusers who are statistically more likely to have been abused themselves, while this does not absolve them of responsibility i feel that we, as a civilised society have to come to terms with this inarguable fact and find some way of dealing with the problem compassionately and without prejudice, unfortunately i doubt this will ever happen as the current consensus seems to be string em up/chemically castrate them/burn them out of their homes etc...etc.
I'm so glad i'm not a social worker - i'd fret myself into an early grave.
cheers for sharing somafunk. I have little idea why someone ends up like that,but isn't it interesting how people behave? that's really interesting to me. what do you care about gorehound?
oops - double post - Doh!.
Right, I'm off, time for tea
Its a funny thing Gorehound but the stereotypical right winger is portrayed by the left-wing press as an utterly charmless and thoroughly unpleasant, reactionary, foaming at the mouth loon
Thank god you've come along to brighten all our days with your sunny disposition, and prove those lazy preconceptions wrong
Socialist worker? They're all spoiled little rich kids and eternal students. Bit of a contradiction in terms really.
Gorehound - Member
... What about muslim extremeists who want everyone who isn't "of islam" killed off? You twist and moan about the BNP ect but say nothing about bigoted islamic fanatics who want you dead. TRY GETTING REAL FOR A CHANGE!
Watch out for their ray guns.
I like him.
I reckon with ten or twenty years decent training and education we might be able to turn him into something resembling a human being.
Can we keep him?
I'll clean out his cage and take him for walks, feed him and everyfink. 😀
Its a funny thing Gorehound but the stereotypical right winger is portrayed by the left-wing press as an utterly charmless and thoroughly unpleasant, reactionary, foaming at the mouth loonThank god you've come along to brighten all our days with your sunny disposition, and prove those lazy preconceptions wrong
Blatantly obvious you know sod all about me. Might surprise you to know quite a few of my friends are gay, lesbians Asian etc. Call me what you want but I'm not a hypocrite tryhard pretend plastic communist bandwagon jumper moaning prat.