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Have we done his call on LBC yesterday?
https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1376522685073735683?s=20
Quite amazed how composed he stayed during the call.....
Dare I say it he did a lot better than Sir Keir Starmer did when faced with a phone-in racist.
DL was very impressive, quite gob smacked at how cool he was.
He was brilliant on keeping calm, factual and straight to the point. Sadly this is probably due having experience this many times. He’s one of very few politicians I admire.
Gene however was a pure example of the very misinformed that are the route of racism In this county.
Always been a fan of Lammy, I hope one day we see him as PM. Sadly, due to this country being full of people like that caller, it won’t happen, but I can hope
The true scandal with this is that the media is routinely giving airtime to callers like that in order to generate viral videos like this one.
No one is interested in normal discussions anymore which only serves to normalise extreme viewpoints because they're what gets the clicks.
She briefly said "you are where you are born" and then panicked realising that meant he was as English as her. Extremely unpleasant views from the caller - and good reaction from David Lammy. I suspect he's good at this because this isn't the first time he's had a conversation like that, unfortunately 🙁
Yeah I was a bit surprised she got past the call screening they presumably do then realised why :-/
Did any of the current cabinet tweet support to him after that?
I know that the ex chancellor did.
He is pretty much always impressive (compared to most MPs), stays calm and gives honest answers.
One for the Starmer thread, but he needs to be put in the spotlight a lot more.
The true scandal with this is that the media is routinely giving airtime to callers like that in order to generate viral videos like this one.
No one is interested in normal discussions anymore which only serves to normalise extreme viewpoints because they’re what gets the clicks.
I see your point but sometimes it's good to air them and calmly and reasonably take them apart.
Jean probably doesn't realise that at one point there were an estimated 1.5 Billion UK citizens of all races and religions
How he played that as cool as he did, I have no idea - born, I presume and as others have postulated, of a sad and wearying familiarity.
The true scandal with this is that the media is routinely giving airtime to callers like that in order to generate viral videos like this one.
Word.
I'm not sure I agree with PerchyPanther's comment.
I think giving all political and social opinions airtime means the broadcaster is less likely to be called out for bias.
I think its really good that they did accept her call (even if they knew she was a racist) as it highlights the problem, which is all too easily forgotton. Plus it allows people like David Lammy to really shine and show just how cool he really is.
End result is huge PR boost for Black English MP and public humiliation for racist white pensioner (not that she probably cares).
Yeah I was a bit surprised she got past the call screening they presumably do then realised why :-/
I was on Radio Scotland last year. I called up, explained who I was. Without a check as to if I was who I said I was, or what I was going to say, I was called back 2 minutes later and given 5 mins air time live.
I sat in the car with my CEO and Radio 4 on. Similar level of check (they could have googled her, but not check to tell if she was imposter) about a subject for a 'day' that was happening that day, which was national campaign we were lead on. She was live on R4 about ten minutes after calling in to offer opinion on breakfast news show.
I think giving all political and social opinions airtime means the broadcaster is less likely to be called out for bias.
When was the last time you watched a video of an LBC call-in show where a reasoned argument was made between presenter and caller? I've never seen one. Yet my Social media timelines regularly throw up these videos where there's a bust up over a controversial subject and someone invariably gets "owned" or "schooled" .
It's not debate. It's clickbait entertainment. 2 minutes of conflict that gloss over the actual subject in exchange for a cheap gladiatorial thrill.
LBC seem to specialise in it.
Lammy either allowed himself to ambushed by it or was complicit in it, either of which diminish him in my eyes.
Deeply unpleasant woman.
Utterly ignorant, but sadly unlikely to be in any way improved from that call.
perchypanther
Free MemberLammy either allowed himself to ambushed by it
What does that mean? Some racist phones into a talk show and it's the talk show guest's job to avoid the "ambush"?
she's probably doubled down as is the way now.
Also seems to be confusing nationality with race. Absolute moron
What does that mean?
It means that if you agree to participate in a radio phone that routinely throws up racist callers then you either expect to have to deal with them and plan accordingly ( which is what I expect happened here ) or you were too stupid to see it coming.
I think it's naive to pretend that he went on that show without thinking that someone was going to have a pop at him.
The point is that now whatever message Lammy was actually there to deliver is lost and forgotten, sacrificed on the altar of a two minute clip for cheap clicks.
It means that if you agree to participate in a radio phone
He's standing in all week for another presenter IIRC.
He’s standing in all week for another presenter IIRC.
Shouldn't he be doing his actual job instead?
Perchy, I'm pretty sure you're a good 'un but that seems pretty close to "she shouldn't have gone out dressed like that"... Basically boils down to "there are places black people shouldn't go and things they shouldn't do because there are racists there". Lammy's surely not naive about these things but neither has he spent his career avoiding things that his white colleagues can do without a thought.
You can't blame someone for encountering racism.
Lets expose these people for all to see. The biggest mistake we can make is not giving these bigots and racists a platform to air their opinions. they need to be exposed and challenged. You might not change their mind but you will potentially influence millions of listeners.
Wether the show is purposefully screening for these people I don't know, but free speech only works when people of all opinions and views can air them and have them challenged.
Its quashing open debate and 'de platforming' people with certain views that is the root cause in the rot in our political discourse these days.
Shouldn’t he be doing his actual job instead?
He is in opposition, not government. I would argue that it is his job to engage with the public.
I think the fact that Jean doesn't realise how racist she is makes the whole thing more sickening.
I don't like Jean.
Lammy either allowed himself to ambushed by it or was complicit in it, either of which diminish him in my eyes.
He is an eloquent public servant who welcomed the opportunity to call out a racist. He did so carefully, factually and with dignity. In doing so he helped keep public knowledge of societal racism in the news cycle. How on earth can that diminish him?
I don't like Jean.
Shouldn’t he be doing his actual job instead?
Surely that is his job, communictaing with and being accountable to the people of the UK?
He's discussing the political issues of the day on a radio show with the general public - exactly what you want to see from an MP, you get to understand where they stand on the issues etc.
Jean probably doesn’t realise that at one point there were an estimated 1.5 Billion UK citizens of all races and religions
Jean is probably as thick as pigshit and is now saying 'well, you know what I meant' to anyone challenging her and digging herself in deeper.
Giving morons like this the ability to choose the direction of a whole country is a strong argument for IQ weighted votes.
You can’t blame someone for encountering racism.
I'm not. I'm blaming LBC for turning a pig-ignorant racist and a Harvard educated politician into a two minute sideshow.
She doesn't deserve a single second of the airtime and he doesn't deserve to be reduced to a clickbait viral clip.
I wonder if Jean is even aware of the root of Anglo Saxons that she is so proud of, does she know where the Angles originated from and where Saxony actually is 🙄
Its quashing open debate and ‘de platforming’ people with certain views that is the root cause in the rot in our political discourse these days.
Hmmm yeah racists just don't get enough airtime, like how everyone ignored Nigel Farage for years. 🙄
Yep, do you think the racists that were listening came away thinking what a good job Lammy did and changed their thinking or did they just think Jean was right anyway?
I would put A LOT of money on the latter
I wonder if Jean is even aware of the root of Anglo Saxons that she is so proud of, does she know where the Angles originated from and where Saxony actually is
Well, all human-kind came from the African rift valleys originally so by that logic nobody can be indigenous right?
Its quashing open debate and ‘de platforming’ people with certain views that is the root cause in the rot in our political discourse these days.
I think doing this when they (unfortunately) have the internet as an alternative platform to build a following is the problem.
Unfortunately that genie is out of the bag. It would be best to de-platform them totally, so no one even knew they existed.
Well, all human-kind came from the African rift valleys originally so by that logic nobody can be indigenous right?
I suspect Jean thinks all of human-kind came from the South East of England.
Yeah I was a bit surprised she got past the call screening they presumably do then realised why
Is this your first LBC video?
Perchy has it this is what they do, they have presenters who are different sides of the fence. I believe Mr Farage has been on quite often as a presenter. It’s a click bait radio station.
Always been a fan of Lammy, I hope one day we see him as PM. Sadly, due to this country being full of people like that caller, it won’t happen, but I can hope
I don't think it his race that will stop him being PM, it is the party he is in. There are ~70 non-white MPs now. Generally, the colour of the candidate does not matter, apart from with a very small number of very bigoted people.
Getting shortlisted for the Labour leadership is a hard thing to do, being voted to be Leader is even harder. 46 years after the Tories elected their first Women Leader, we are still waiting for a suitable Labour Woman candidate who would unite all of the factions.
Starmer was elected as leader with a very large majority, yet their are constant calls for him to go as he doesnt suit one factions view of how the party should be run.
Remember Billy Connolly telling the story of his friend, a lifelong Labour supporter, who would not vote for Neil Kinnock - he said he'd never vote for a ginger. It's pathetic, but I cant see David Lammy ever being Labour Leader, or, Labour getting into power for at least another 15 years. And all this while having the worst Government for 50 years or so.
Giving morons like this the ability to choose the direction of a whole country is a strong argument for IQ weighted votes.
Is that because you think people with high IQ's can't be racist?
Always been a fan of Lammy, I hope one day we see him as PM. Sadly, due to this country being full of people like that caller, it won’t happen, but I can hope
You can put money on it, lots of BAME MP's in the running to be the next PM, bookies favourite included
What a horrible old woman. Absolutely vile and repugnant.
Lammy has always been impressive. Principled and a great communicator. I’d vote for him if he was in a position to represent me.
Jean is normal. I mean, her views are abhorrent, but they are entirely mainstream.
How did you fill in the census?
Is that because you think people with high IQ’s can’t be racist?
No, and that is a non sequitur.
However, I'm pretty sure I can use my Paul Daniels skills to determine which way Jean voted in the EU referendum.
You'll like it, but not a lot...
lots of BAME MP’s in the running to be the next PM
But are they Labour Party members?
There have only been 2 BAME Labour cabinet members ever. In contrast there are 4 BAME MPs in the current Tory cabinet. That represents 17% of the cabinet, a figure which exceeds BAME in the general population. Which isn't too shabby for a far-right racist party, I doubt any other far-right racist party in Europe can match that. If David Lammy's ambition is to achieve one of the Great Offices of State he would probably be better off joining the Tory Party.
BTW beware of using the term BAME : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53194376
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I don't understand why some people appear to be impressed by the fact that Lammy didn't lose his cool with some daft biddy talking nonsense. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that he's black and therefore used to it.
The man is a Harvard educated barrister ffs, not Ronnie Pickering. I would have frankly been shocked if he had lost his temper with her. Furthermore he is a politician - sure if you throw an egg at John Prescot you might get a punch in the face but as a general rule politicians aren't noted for having short fuses, their career prospects would be poor if they did have. I certainly don't lose my rag every time I hear someone talking drivel, and it's not even in my job description.
I certainly don’t lose my rag every time I hear someone talking drivel, and it’s not even in my job description.
It's a good job too - what with hanging around on STW. 😉
^^^^
Drip, drip, drip.
Hell, if the constant low-level, probably thoughtless, stuff is wearing even David Lammy down we really do have a problem. Let alone the institutionalised stuff and the blatantly aggressive stuff.
It's like the whole nation needs to take a knee. Not in solidarity, because that seems beyond us. More in shame, heads bowed.
But as the report says… it’s all solved…
https://twitter.com/MrMichaelSpicer/status/1377203613538398212?s=20
The man is a Harvard educated barrister ffs, not Ronnie Pickering
Many LOLs at this
Never has the term 'whitewash' seemed more apt.
I am reminded of that Gordon Brown moment when he called the racist old pensioner a bigot. In my opinion his biggest mistake at that point was not to call her out for what she was. Another one of those moments that contributed to the normalisation of these repugnant views...
I am reminded of that Gordon Brown moment when he called the racist old pensioner a bigot. In my opinion his biggest mistake at that point was not to call her out for what she was. Another one of those moments that contributed to the normalisation of these repugnant views…
Do you know which community in Rochdale she was unhappy about?
Conclusion: We couldn't see any systemic racism because it has been drowned in poverty.
Yup. Also, bright kids at school prove there is no racism, that they face blocks on their progress once they leave school is entirely down to, er, something something.
The section on health and Covid is the worst. I would happily cause physical harm to whichever sophist wrote that framing for them.
One of the people involved in the 'independent' racism commission is Munira Mirza - quite an interesting character. A former member of the Revolutionary Communist Party who is now a no 10 policy adviser. She idolises Hannah Arendt. Sample quote from Arendt's work:
In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true . ... The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness
Hmm, sounds relevant to someone...
The section on health and Covid is the worst.
Worse than the bit where they say slavery wasn't all bad? This sums it up quite well for me.
https://twitter.com/Danothebaldyhed/status/1377343511142363137?s=20
Never has the term ‘whitewash’ seemed more apt.
Yes.
Possible there may be a golden nugget or two within the report, but it kind of got swept away in the blatant bollocks that surrounded it.
https://twitter.com/allyfogg/status/1377537296895991810?s=21
The report’s conclusions, recommendations, and cherry-picked data to support a particular narrative shows why it should have been externally peer-reviewed by independent health experts and scientists.
Wow.
So Boris set up a report, setting out what he thought the outcome should be.
The report gives him his outcome.
Experts named in the report deny any involvement and other experts dispute the findings.
Its an utter humiliating car crash but we know who will walk away unscathed.
Welcome to Trumpian politics. Say a thing is true, ignore the people who provide evidence it is not true, move on without consequence.
£350m on the side of a bus
Lying about proroguing parliament
Patel breaking ministerial code
etc etc etc
When was the last time a Minster was forced to resign? Exactly. No consequence.
Government report: 'Society isn't racist!'
Oopsydaisy:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56604470
What was it that the mummified corpse of Michael Winner (aka Hatey Plopkins) said to Baroness Warsi again?
Oh yes...
Your party? Hold on a minute sister. I think you will find it’s OUR party now.
Britain has Boris and a blue collar army.
Nationalism is back. British people first.
And there, you basically have it.
Stir up race hate to get yourself elected and win a referendum.
What a nasty little country.
I bet "Jean" goes on holiday to Spain every year, if not own a holiday home there, but doesn't eat "any of that foreign muck"
"Anglo Saxon"
Jutland, Anglia, Saxon coast, Frisii.
Jutland - now Denmark
Anglia - Denmark/Germanic
Saxon coast - Germanic
Frisii- Germanic.
I'd have loved to hear her lose it when you tell her she's mostly likely of German origin 😆
This is a genuine and hopefully a conversation question rather than argumentative one, but at what point does someone because British (or any other country) after they moved to another country?
I mean this if you take my family arrangement, my brother moved over to the US over ten years ago, he’s now married to an American (American Malaysian) and has now got two little ones. He did have a green card before getting citizenship (due to it being easier for travel and legal matters, definitely not for the taxation). He had to give up British citizenship but I would still say he’s British in his ways, accent, valves.I would always say in conversation that he’s coming home (even though his home address is in US). His boys are American, that’s where his was born. His wife is American Malaysia because she move as a child and has spend more time in the US. Citizenship is different to race.
Jean is a complete racists, it was not a conversation, it was a rant. I have Dutch (and a bit of french in there as well) blood in me (and a funny long name). I will always get people asking about it and where I come from but would never feel comfortable asking someone about their background because I feel it would come across as racist - I do however think this needs to change to help change how viewpoints.
My partner parents are Irish (so generally don’t beat around the bush), the mother in law worked in the NHS and would always worked with a mixed group of people and would always get a few clients that would say they didn’t want to be seen by a foreigner. Imagine there shock when she’d start telling them that you guess you don’t want to be seen by her either.
at what point does someone become British
(My correction, I assume that's what you intended)
For me, it's the moment you decide you want to call Britain your home, and identify as being a citizen of this nation. Certainly, having British nationality and a passport makes this more official, but national identity is a social construct anyway, so there are no real 'rules' beyond legal citizenship stuff. Even without all that, if you've lived here for a while and want to identify as British, then that's your choice. Nobody else has 'ownership' of such an identity, no matter what the knuckledragging racist idiots think. You can also identify as being of other nationalities as well, if they play a part in who you are. So you can be Jamaican and British, or Australian and British, of Ghanaian and British, etc. Because let's face it, no matter how much people try to impose physical, cultural, social or political 'borders', they are nothing more than imagined at the end of the day. Nobody is born anything other than Human.
Being British is all about values not race. Full stop. The problem with the current political discourse is that it is an assault on the core values of what it is to be British which is what causes the problem. Race has nothing to do with being British. The fundamental values of being British is to embrace other cultures and races where there is mutual benefit. the attack on British values will jar with the majority of people from a mix of backgrounds - immigrants came here because of British values. Why else would you pass though Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France, Spain etc to get be Britain before you "claimed assylam"?. You can call that racist if you want, but ultimately it's nothing to do with race but everything to do with values. And that is where the virtue signallers fail. they like to categorise everything by race and whatever other social groups that favour their view and predudice but its an artificial construct. Its all about the path of least resistance and people are grant to us because our values are better than all the other options open to them.