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BigDave. Piggy Dave. Greensail finance fraud scandal Dave. Austerity Dave. 'All out for fracking Dave'. International Libya and Syria **** up Dave. Brexshit Dave! Surely there is a thread already?
I quite like him actually. He might help calm the nutters down and maybe start sorting the party out. Maybe he's come back as bit of an evangelist? Who knows.
I still can't wait for them to be utterly humiliated at the GE, but in the interim whilst they are still running our country, thinning out far right headbangers like Braverman and bringing in a few more sober heads has got to be a good thing. It's all relative of course, but marginally less deranged and hate mongering is the best we can hope for and Cameron fits that bill.
For our system to function it needs viable opposition. If Dave can help provide this in Tory banishment, then happy days. I hope he's got the staying power.
Starmer had taken inspiration from Sunak's daredevil plan and is hatching a scheme to bring back Robin Cook, John Smith and Gordon Brown
The only way to placate the nutters is put a nutter in charge.
It’s probably time some posted this up.
https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1724020204760355258?s=46&t=1kaMBPZvR769qDSJ741llw
Remember Dave was devastated when the great British public returned a vote to leave. He misjudged; along with millions who didn't bother to vote to stay because they thought...nah, it'll never happen.
Sorry, but Danny Dyer's opinions aren't relevant. Eastenders ain't real you know.
Austerity Dave is a nasty callous right-wing self-serving Tory. And a racist.
However he has one redeeming quality......he has excellent presentation skills (call me Dave)
So for that reason he is seen by many as an okay Tory.
🙄. I had a feeling this was going to be a pointless exercise. I'd better bale out now. Haters gonna hate 👍
Strange that the next thread to this one says.. Screw in Peigs
Makes ya think 😉🤣😁
cojacal - you didn't include cosying up to China dave
Guess brian2 can't see that the toryscum are laughing at us again.
He might help calm the nutters down
It's subjective, and a matter of relativity... less openly crazy and less likley to say something stupid in public than the rest of the front bench line up?, sure, I'll give him that.
Actually the perfect tory spokesperson at the moment.
He’s already demonstrated that he hasn’t
The pig had never been so disappointed
Mirror Mirror on the wall whos the leftiest of them all…..
Having looked at the mail comments Cameron seems to be winning although Sunak isnt far behind.
Apparently its all the lefties fault and we need a proper right wing conservative government to fix the mess caused by the left being in power for the last 13 years.
@brian2 this post isn't a dig at you mate, the political threads have got way too personal again of late. You are allowed your opinion and mine is just that too, my opinion.
Right...
Cameron has made a few questionable decisions it's fair to say.
There are 2 that I can never forgive him for though.
1 Austerity. That has and still is causing misery. It's been directly linked to deaths where people with extreme mental health issues have died after being sanctioned. Most of the deaths are too hard to directly link though but it's there. How many people would still be here if the NHS was in a better state for a start. Far more hidden is the absolute disintegration of the social Mrs that used to be there to help many of the most vulnerable in society. It's an absolute tragedy.
2 Brexit. 7 years of decline, chaos and the normalising of racial hatred... all to heal a Tory party that is still at war with itself. It's the epitome of party over country and the Tories should never be forgiven for it.
Dave has a soothing voice as he slides the dagger into the nation's ribs though, I'll give him that.
I think he'll be seen as competent, and given the choice of voting for him Vs a ghastly labour leftie the Tory faithful might just turn out enough to swing it. Terrifying.
Brexit referendum? Who exactly was responsible for that result? Not Cameron, try the lazy complacent sods who didn’t bother to get off their sofas to vote.
Turnout for the Brexit referendum was much higher than for general elections, though.
Yay yet another politics thread where the usual nonsense will get spouted by the usual crowd.<br /><br />
You must be a bloody nightmare in a busy pub, shouting at folk who are having conversations that you have no interest in participating in. Do you understand how forums work?, if you see a thread you have no interest in then move on, the thread title only takes up 1cm of screen on my iPad
@Poopscoop Thank you for that. I totally agree with you over your first point; there must be countless tragedies attributable to Tory policies around austerity, absolutely unforgivable.
I also remember being co-erced by a mate into helping out at a polling station that night of the referendum; you know, one of those anoraks who ask for your card, give you a pen, tell you where to go etc? I remember thinking it's too bloody quiet, this is going to go horribly wrong. And it did. So, again, who's fault was that?
I sincerely hope Cameron has learned from his arrogance and come back into politics for the right reasons; I doubt it; but there has to be some hope. This isn't for my political preferences, but for a hope for UK politics generally. Like I said before, whichever party or coalition governs, the system needs a credible opposition.
IMHO Sunak will make money, the election will be lost with Sunak as the token fall guy and Dodgy Dave will be the new more charismatic opposition leader.
At least he might bring some humour to PMQs. He'll have plenty of ammunition 🙄
It's an absolute farce. The guy that called the referendum on a badly calculated gamble around renegotiating eu rules, who failed to make any decent case about staying (arrogantly assuming we'd stay but at least he could say he tried his best), who flounced when it went the way of the liars ...and he's back as the elder statesman when the party is on its knees and is foreign secretary. It really is beyond parody and I am disgusted by the state of our politics.
The last thing I want in pmqs is humour, we need this total shower out so we can get to the serious business of sorting this country out.
Very disappointed you've chosen Cameron for entertainment instead of Lolmaster Johnson.
Starmer will provide the ammunition. Trust me. It will be depressingly hilarious.
ironically, wikipedia attributes 'strong and stable' to cameron in his resignation speech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_and_stable
for a party that is abjectly not strong and stable by any measure, if they had any integrity whatsoever and genuinely put the country first they would call a GE.
They won't of course, and cameron will help prolong the agony (getting what they can in the meantime), which says all you need to know.
He might help calm the nutters down and maybe start sorting the party out.
Oh I hope not, the nutters are busy dismantling the party.
Sorry, but Danny Dyer’s opinions aren’t relevant. Eastenders ain’t real you know.
No but Danny Dyer is.
Christ on a bike. Are we referencing the Guardian now?
Has any party, ever, called a GE when they're on their knees? Nope, not how it works. I'm not in any way attempting to defend tory actions, I'm trying to present a balanced overview of how dysfunctional our parliamentary system has become. We've got a pack of self serving shits presiding over a nation of self serving shits, criticised from the sidelines by sanctimonious shits with no clue as to how to put it right. But hey, let's jump on anybody who sticks their head above the parapet, eh?
I'm pretty much ambivalent to this whole thing, i just can't wrap my head round why he's come back himself, he's given up all his ventures and so on, so losing money, and it's not like he left politics for a year or so, it's been 7 years, i actually think he believes he can do some good, which may well be more worrying!
Has any party, ever, called a GE when they’re on their knees? Nope, not how it works.
Er, yes.
Ted Heath when he couldn't govern effectively due to crippling strike action and Harold Wilson when he had an unworkable 4 seat majority, for example.
I think he’ll be seen as competent, and given the choice of voting for him Vs a ghastly labour leftie the Tory faithful might just turn out enough to swing it. Terrifying.
I've been worried for ages now that between now and the next election Labour would do something stupid and lose it, allowing this lot to stay in power somehow. Now I'm worried that Cameron will give the Tories a small smear of respectability, the press will get behind him and Labour won't have any personality that can cut through it all to deliver the win we so desperately need.
Cameron's return could easily spell the end of Sunak and deliver the another term at the helm. It's still a long way to go but that is the possibility we are staring at right now.
Don’t you have to be an MP to ask questions at PMQs?
Given the evolution of the system I wouldnt be surprised if there isnt actually anything saying that vs just long standing convention and the cops getting shouty at people trying to walk in.
Although that said if anyone was going to be specifically blocked it would be a member of the house of lords.
Now I’m worried that Cameron will give the Tories a small smear of respectability, the press will get behind him and Labour won’t have any personality that can cut through it all to deliver the win we so desperately need.
I know what you mean. Having said that he is "only" the foreign secretary. Hell, even if he was PM though, there are a lot of people financially hurting out there and a lot more will be experiencing financial troubles as their current fixed rate mortgages expire. Add in a general feeling of disbelief in how dysfunctional the Tory party is even amongst many of its usual voters.
Cameron will be old news within days. People are used to the incredible now. The sad fact is that most people dont care what our foreign policy is and who is responsible for it, particularly when they have far more pressing worries. A lot of people dont like Cameron either. I think overall his effect is null. He brings enough bad to counter any perceived good.
As long as Labour dont implode I think the "worst" we can expect is a Lib/Lab coalition which as a Labour voter, id still be perfectly happy with to be honest.
It’s still a long way to go but that is the possibility we are staring at right now.
You might have something there. That would properly have Johnson spitting out his chips.
Don’t you have to be an MP to ask questions at PMQs?
I think so? so we now have a 'cabinate minister without any accountabillity? and a 'lord', none the less.
Presumably he won't be allowed to vote in the commons?
What could possibly go wrong?
What does he get? You mean other that a Peerage and a slice of Sunaks Exit funds and possibly even another term as PM as "...the savior of modern Conservatism" or New Conservatives or whatever they restart with.
Re PMQ's isnt it correct that as a member the House of Lords / non standing MP he's not allowed to be questioned directly by the opposition?
Re PMQ’s isnt it correct that as a member the House of Lords / non standing MP he’s not allowed to be questioned directly by the opposition
Not i the commons but he can be in the lords
There's got to be a fair few skeletons in that lot.
I think so? so we now have a ‘cabinate minister without any accountabillity? and a ‘lord’, none the less.
Much as I hate him, this isn’t a novel or particularly uncommon thing. He can be questioned in the Lords, he'll have a sacrificial deputy for the Commons - much the same as trying to hold Suella to account.
I think so? so we now have a ‘cabinate minister without any accountabillity? and a ‘lord’, none the less.
As morecash says this isn't a new thing, Mandelson was taken on under the same conditions. There has never been a requirement for cabinet members to be sitting MPs.
It wasn't a pig.
Ib think you meant to say. It wasn't only a pig.
He ****ed the country too
And a racist.
is he? Just because you don’t agree with his politics doesn’t make him a racist
He made racist statements and enacted racist policies
Just because you don’t agree with his politics doesn’t make him a racist
No of course it doesn't.
Ffs.. I’ve tried to reply twice and this useless forum just keeps refreshing the page midway through typing
I can’t remember any racist policies, however perhaps I’m viewing him with rose tinted glasses, longing for the good old days when the primary concern of a Tory was to get rich on the back of the toil of others, rather incite far right nazis to riot on the streets
Lessor degree than the recent folk to be fair. More racist as a byproduct from not caring than deliberately racist 'cos they want to be
I call comparing immigrants with insects racist. It's Nazi style rhetoric.
If Suella Braverman made similar comments she would rightly be strongly condemned for it.
Cameron's slick old Etonian presentation skills doesn't cut it with me. He is a racist.
I'd be surprised if he wasn't, it fits the Tory narrative. Such a shame that Freedland sacked off Steve Bell, the best cartoonist of his generation, with his hilarious portraits of the man without a single bone in his head.
More racist as a byproduct from not caring than deliberately racist ‘cos they want to be
in that case he’s also disabilist, ageist, and povertyist (is that a word), because I doubt he cares about any of those either!
im not convinced he’s as racist in the same mound as the new breed, although I’m sure his policies affected minorities more than others, but as you point out, more as a byproduct than by racist intention
he is however undoubtedly a Tory xxxx, so feel free to call him what you want!
in that case he’s also disabilist
At the time, with all that was going on with his son who has since passed away, he was quite an advocate for disabled people, their families and the NHS.
If you overlook the real effects of austerity, obviously