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I dunno, as legacies go getting us ejected from the world largest trading bloc and dividing a nation is pretty impressive
What an absolute shitehawk he is.
Doesn't even have enough honour and self respect to see out the remainder of his term as an MP
An idiot who gambled his legacy and lost.
Very weird. It'll be interesting to hear the reasons behind it! 🙂
Legacy ?
Young leader and PM
Lead the UK out of the total dogs breakfast created by Labour
Easily the strongest major economy in Europe
Conservative Majority
Courage to grant binding Referendum on Scottish Independence which No comfortably won
Courage to grant an EU Referendum which will deliver a substantially more prosperous UK and free us from ECJ and unelected EU Commission's meddling interference
He leaves the Conservative Party is very good health and the opposition in total chaos which his strategy helped facilitate
Poor lamb.
Thats going to bugger up the Corbynistas (yes me) claim that they've won every electoral test.
Yeah but just think if he'd won that bet, everything would have.....stayed as it was. You've got to be a special ind of prick to voluntarily take a bet with the future of the nation where if you win you get nothing.
It was only ever a tick box for his CV. Being PM was just something one did after Eton....
He never really cared about any of it.
Nows the bit where he really proves himself as the Heir to Blair.
I reckon he's about to outdo Tony on how many squillion you can make as a former PM. He'll be on the board of an investment bank by the end of the afternoon, be representing a dodgy former soviet block dictator by midmorning tomorrow, then onwards and upwards into the earnings stratosphere, with no role too morally abhorrent that it won't be shamelessly exploited with a casual flick of two fingers to absolutely everybody
Haters have to hate. STW doesn't change.
He could have sat on his @rse and claimed his MPs salary, racked up some more pension all at the state's expense and money he doesn't need. Instead he stands down and provides an opportunity to another candidate in a very safe Tory seat.
"Very weird. It'll be interesting to hear the reasons behind it!"
[i]'So, Mr Cameron; what first attracted you to the multi-million pound contracts various corporations have offered you for stepping down from UK politics?'[/i]
"Legacy ?"
Oh dear. I prefer it when you're on holiday, Jamba. 🙄
i reckon most people will remember him for the pig shagging
Courage to grant an EU Referendum which will deliver a substantially more prosperous UK and free us from ECJ and unelected EU Commission's meddling interference
Would that really be considered part of his legacy given that he campaigned for us to stay in?
He's had an offer from someone I'd bet.
No sadly not much of a legacy, in political terms he failed to win a over-all majority against a completely unelectable Labour party on his first go.
Won the second time by making a deal with the devil to by-pass a UKIP threat that probably wasn't here and here we are now - an 'unelected' PM, something he made a big fuss about in opposition, political and economic limbo post-brexit and he's off. I suspect wherever he goes, it'll probably be abroad and whatever happens he'll still have quiet the comfortable life.
I can't think of any really memorable policies.
Austerity didn't really happen, they weathered the storm like the previous government, made a lot of noise, let Carney sort it out.
Big Society didn't happen.
Again blaming Labour for the world global crash 🙄 yes of course Gordon Brown forced the dodgy bankers into the sub prime fiasco.
Men can now wear their wedding rings while they touch each others bottoms
Great story - apparently he's triggering a by-election by remaining until the next general election..
Young leader and PM- well yeah he was
[s]Lead the UK out of the total dogs breakfast created by Labour[/s] yup hes done so well, closed all those Sure Start Centres, killed all thse diabled people http://calumslist.org/
http://news.sky.com/story/hospitals-could-reach-breaking-point-by-winter-10574947
Easily the strongest major economy in Europe
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Conservative Majority at......... the 2nd attempt
Courage to grant binding Referendum on Scottish Independence which No comfortably won........... after Gordon Brown stepped in to save his Bacon
[s]Courage to grant an EU Referendum which will deliver a substantially more prosperous UK and free us from ECJ and unelected EU Commission's meddling interference[/s] 😆
He leaves the Conservative Party is very good health
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and the opposition in total chaos which his strategy helped facilitate 😕
Legacy ?Young leader and PM
Lead the UK out of the total dogs breakfast created by Labour
Easily the strongest major economy in Europe
Conservative Majority
Courage to grant binding Referendum on Scottish Independence which No comfortably won
Courage to grant an EU Referendum which will deliver a substantially more prosperous UK and free us from ECJ and unelected EU Commission's meddling interference
He leaves the Conservative Party is very good health and the opposition in total chaos which his strategy helped facilitate
You forgot the bit about him showing a cowardly lack of leadership in the face the international refugee crisis, choosing instead to say and do nothing and in the vacuum allowing the gutter press to set the agenda instead. So they filled that vacuum with bile and spread the fear and selfish ****-you-if-the-terror-you-face-might-inconvenience-me loathing that blew up in his cowardly ham face, fuelled Brexit, destroyed his political career and left the rest of us to deal the legacy of his leadership which is to live in the company idiots who's only accomplishment is the ability to pat their own backs and elbow others in the face in the same motion.
This should have been a time for heroes.
My guess is not only is this to do with post-referendum agro, but also those controversial bonus payments made to his staff when he quit as PM.
He promised to see things through regardless of the EU referendum result, but backtracked on that within hours of the Brexit result.
Tony has a black mark against his time for what happened in Iraq during his time as PM, but I'm not sure that many in the UK will feel that as bad as what David did pre-voting (he should have made sure "remain" presented a much better case withouht the rubbish spouted by Osbourne etc. IMO) and what may happen as a result of Brexit.
martinhutch - MemberGreat story - apparently he's triggering a by-election by remaining until the next general election..
Read the BBC story again:-
He [b]had[/b] said he would continue as an MP until the next general election.
My bold.
He could have sat on his @rse and claimed his MPs salary, racked up some more pension all at the state's expense and money he doesn't need. Instead he stands down and provides an opportunity to another candidate in a very safe Tory seat.
And how is that any better or worse?
It doesn't save any money overall.
and what may happen as a result of Brexit.
We won't know that for a good few years yet, probably 5-10 and 2-3 more PMs on the way there...
@jambayla...your list concurs with his opposition.
Your list is all about Cameron himself or money. Nothing in your list is regarding happy citizens, equality for all, a healthy society physically and emotionally, poverty reduction etc.. ..all the the things I would argue were signs of a successful leader.
Cameron failed big time regards the health and well-being of the nation, poverty reduction and equality, to name but a few.
It'll be interesting to hear the reasons behind it!
Come on its not difficult 🙄
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It'll be interesting to hear the reasons behind it!
he can't be arsed to be a lowly MP and he gets a very generous ex-PM pension.....
Cameron failed big time regards the health and well-being of the nation, poverty reduction and equality, to name but a few.
He implemented the Big Society and also One Nation Britain. I don't see what everyone is complaining about.
Lets make this clear, Cameroon will never generate as much private wealth as Blair has done since give up the PM's job. Blair is the master in that department.
He could have sat on his @rse and claimed his MPs salary, racked up some more pension all at the state's expense and money he doesn't need. Instead he stands down and provides an opportunity to another candidate in a very safe Tory seat.
Looking at his family history for 'tax efficiency' I think you can guarantee all future earnings will in some way be at the state's expense regardless of his employer.
Lets make this clear, Cameroon will never generate as much private wealth as Blair has done since give up the PM's job. Blair is the master in that department.
Doesn't need to, he was pretty wealthy to start with. And lets not forget daddy's investments in Panama
He's still got a young family so hopefully he's planning on spending more time with them - I can't imagine that being PM is an easy role for anyone with the 24x7 nature of politics and news these days.
"Cameron failed big time regards the health and well-being of the nation, poverty reduction and equality, to name but a few."
Well on Health we're more responsible as individuals than he is as PM - and we're the most obese nation in Europe now.
On well being, income inequality has actually been falling with the richest 10% now having a smaller share of gross income than they did when David Cameron became PM - see figure 3:
And compared to Europe we're not very different:
[i]"The data indicate that, before any taxes and benefits, the UK had one of the highest levels of income inequality in the EU. However, the UK’s tax and benefits system appears to be more redistributive than that of many other countries with relatively high inequality of original income, bringing the UK close to the overall EU average for disposable income inequality."[/i]
I'm not sure the measure on poverty reduction or "equality" are absolute as there's a lag in any changes made in government that's often hard to detect for 5-10 years. That said the "full fact" web site shows that relativepoverty is still lower now than it was 10 years into the last Labour government.
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His legacy - Made the poorest in society pay for the recklessness of the banks and shagged a dead animals head. Won't be missed.
Oh, he also managed to start the first ever doctors strike in the history of the NHS
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"That said the "full fact" web site shows that absolute poverty is still lower now than it was 10 years into the last Labour government."
Well, that graph seems to suggest that poverty significantly decreased under Labour (we can't see the lines for before 1998), and is now on the rise again since the tories tok over. Regardless, the problem with graphs and statistics, is that it doesn't actually show the full picture. Which is that increasing numbers of people are finding it harder nd harder to make ends meet. And that people who used to be in fairly 'safe' income brackets, are now finding it increasingly difficult to afford to buy their own homes etc. But as with all things, we won't see the full extent of the damage Cameron has caused our society, for some time yet. Probably when those who've had to pay for the same university education Cameron etc got for free, have no pensions or security for their old age.
But Cameron and his ilk will be long gone by then.
yeah graphs can be made to show anything
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TBF I think the recent trend for former PMs to make a fairly swift exit is the right way, regardless of party colour. In no other industry does the top man (and it's usually a man), when they lose their post, go back to a more junior role in the same organisation.
The alternative is to hang around bitterly, peering over the shoulder of your successor and make an embarassment of yourself (like what Edward Heath did throughout Margaret Thatcher's prime ministership). Or, I suppose, keep taking the salary while not doing any of the work expected of an MP (G. Brown).
To be clear, I think Cameron's various things, none of which will pass the swear filter, but on this, I think he's made the right decision.
How long before Osborne goes too? He's been noticeably absent since the vote and as key strategist/Machiavellian on Cameron's behalf and having been sacked by May there's no role for him any more...
I suspect those MPs who supported him will back slowly away now his power is so diminished...
With Cameron gone, Osborne will have literally no friends, surely?
[i]Toddles off to enjoy that YouTube clip again....[/i]
is it safe for Gove to come out yet?
that time when his human suit glitched always makes me chuckle
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Isn't he just throwing his toys out of the pram, and letting it be known that he doesn't want anything to do with the direction that his replacement is taking the party in. She's purged the front bench of all his acolytes, and moved everything substantially to the right by appointing rabid right wing nutters to key positions, apparently accepting their ludicrous position on the EU that we don't need membership of the single market, so we can just stop immigration
Dave would never have proposed the reintroduction of Grammar schools. And thats just her first policy. Expect more of that type of thing that he'd never have done. So I don't blame him for doing one, instead of sitting there with a face like a smacked arse.
The grammar school thing was a bit scary
On the one hand the 3 brexit muppets shes appointed seem set up for a huge fall
on the other shes not going to let facts get in the way of her plan to 'improve' social mobility
the rolling over on faith schools thing was also a big warning
she seems set on a more divided, unequal society
we'll be pining after the good old days soon
@justinfiveminutes...I could show you as many stats and graphs demonstrating a different view of poverty in the UK.
Nevertheless..if you're happy with the present situation that's your choice. Personally, I think its shameful.
Dave would never have proposed the reintroduction of Grammar schools. And thats just her first policy.
Shouldn't have long to wait before we can legally beat our kids again.
I'm looking forward to the reintroduction of workhouses. Surely the next logical step....
Legacy
FUBAR
When did the forum go labour party luv in
I think the recent trend for former PMs to make a fairly swift exit is the right way
could you list them for me please and the ones who did not make a swift exit as i think your facts are wrong
As for dave its a mixture of a signal to May and the fact , I assume, he can make more money elsewhere. I am sure we can rule principled out of the equation as possible reasons
When did the forum go labour party luv in
Just because you hate the tories, it doesn't necessarily follow that you're a fan of the present shambolic labour party.
They're both heading off in equally as unpopular, but opposite directions. Which is just going to serve to illustrate how centrist Dave actually was, and exactly what people generally want to vote for.
Which is a bit of a bugger, because it leaves us with the choice of a bunch of unelectable, economically illiterate trots, or rabid foaming-at-the-mouth, right wing nut-jobs
Wooohoooooooo!!! Something to look forward too eh?
or we could look at events as if we were capable of discussing them without sounding like a hysterical tabloid header writer
You forgot the bit about him showing a cowardly lack of leadership in the face the international refugee crisis, choosing instead to say and do nothing and in the vacuum allowing the gutter press to set the agenda instead.
He got plenty of stuff wrong but on the refugees he got it right. Look at the mess its created in Germany and how Merkel has gone from well liked to quickly losing support.
End of the day his legacy will be defined by the EU vote, and what happens later down the line could change how positive or negative his legacy is seen.
or we could look at events as if we were capable of discussing them without sounding like a hysterical tabloid header writer
Are you new here? 😉
On previous form he may still u-turn on this decision if enough people call him out on it.
I'm looking forward to the reintroduction of workhouses. Surely the next logical step....
So am I.
Oh, you are joking ..
Which is a bit of a bugger, because it leaves us with the choice of a bunch of unelectable, economically illiterate trots, or rabid foaming-at-the-mouth, right wing nut-jobs
I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this.
Come back Clegg, all is forgiven...
or rabid foaming-at-the-mouth, right wing nut-jobs
The last time we had a government like that I seem to remember we went from the poor man of Europe to something you could call Great again (and there was a woman in charge then too).
I'm looking forward to the reintroduction of workhouses
For workshy British folks , how will that work wide-screen jeremy Kyle for the 9-10 break?
Shirley it's easier to just carry on.
[quote=wordnumb ]On previous form he may still u-turn on this decision if enough people call him out on it.
Can we have a referendum on it?
Cameron has been a weak PM who squandered a lot of chances to do good. His legacy is a divided UK, a nasty rise in racism, economic disaster looming, pissed off our european neighbours time and time again. responsible for the deaths of thousands, destroyed public services for ideology
He will be rememberd mainly for the utter disaster of the vote to leave the EU
His legacy will be defined by losing the vote what happens next is largely irrelevant as he ****ed off and left it to others - not that I
blame him for that tbh. I suspect those in charge will be judged on that not him. oh and Binners will blame corbyn for not keeping an eye on the tories
Binners will blame corbyn for not keeping an eye on the tories
He'll have a point too. A solid opposition is vital in British politics and, whether you like Corbyn or not, right now the Labour party are not that. As the leader, Corbyn has to take responsibility some for that.
or we could look at events as if we were capable of discussing them without sounding like a hysterical tabloid header writer
Where is the fun in that 😆
Can we have a referendum on it?
Sure let's do another 289 pages if sore losers whining
I can't stand the man but to be fair he did manage to get gay marriage past the swivel eyed loons. That was good.
We never did find out which football team he really supports.
I think it'll be Burnleys turn to be Daves preferred claret and blues this week
Nows the bit where he really proves himself as the Heir to Blair. I reckon he's about to outdo Tony on how many squillion you can make as a former PM.
Of course. Time for a "proper job" (tips hat to Nigel) in the "real world" {to the lefties) to make some serious money (to the bank!)
FWIW, I doubt he will beat the Blair bonanza, but then again a bit more older money with Dave and Sam I believe - no need for total vulgarity 😀
The last time we had a government like that I seem to remember we went from the poor man of Europe to something you could call Great again (and there was a woman in charge then too).
Yeah, thats exactly how I remember it. It was brilliant, was't it? Hope we get that all over again. Then Theresa can also be viewed with the same universal affection.
I wish him nothing but bad fortune. Spineless pig ****ing **** that he is. Hope I live longer than him so I can toast his demise.
I wish him nothing but bad fortune. Spineless pig * * that he is. Hope I live longer than him so I can toast his demise.
How about sitting on the fence?
Very pleasant sentiments, I must say. 😯
Easily the strongest major economy in Europe
How are you measuring that Jambaliar?
well it obviously lacks the niceness in your previous [non trolly obvs] post but its no surprise some folk hate tories.
Personally I dont think Dave is that bad for a tory.
Very pleasant sentiments, I must say.
That was as polite as I could come up with.
well quite an achievement 😀 poor old Laura Koonesberg (sp?) will be quaking in her boots!!
I am surprised he took this long - even given the length of contract negotiations these days.
So finance, prof services, industry or CMD Inc? Place your bets
He'd make a good ballistics dummy. I'm sure he could command a really big upfront fee.
So finance, prof services, industry or CMD Inc? Place your bets
Asda. Or sign up to a Tony Blair look-alike agency.
You forgot the bit about him showing a cowardly lack of leadership in the face the international refugee crisis
Second largest donor after the US, helping people in situ in the Middle East where each £ goes mich further than here. Smart policy of taking refugees from camps in Syria with people proposed by the UN, contrast with Merkel madness which created a headlong rush accross Europe by a group of people the minority (30%?) where from Syria.
Don't forget it was the EU who decided to withdraw funding for the Mediterrain rescue mission leading to thousands of drownings and leaving Italy to manage the crises alone.
If Cameron stayed he'd just be claiming a salary and doing nothing, much like Brown did imho. As Cameron said as an ex-PM as soon as he made a stand on anything he would create a minor sh.t storm so it's counter productive.
As for him standing down after the way he and Osbourne conducted the Remain campaign with a huge attempt to intimidate voters with ludicrous scare stories he was finihsed, he jumped before he was pushed.
As for helping the less well off we have a personal allowance of £10k and he put in place the commitments for a rise in the minimum wage. The ****ed economy hurts the poorest the most.
Germany is in a very bad place, Merkel has given the Greeks €100bn of taxoayers money and they are not getting it back, ever.
What's next ? Speaking circuit pays very very well, much better than any advisory type job. I think his wife will launch a business and he'll work part time. She's sacraficed a lot and has his family, Cameron will take a back seat and prioritise his family now imho
meanwhile back in realityDon't forget it was the EU who decided to withdraw funding for the Mediterrain rescue mission leading to thousands of drownings and leaving Italy to manage the crises alone.
The British refusal comes as the official Italian sea and rescue operation, Mare Nostrum, is due to end this week after contributing over the past 12 months to the rescue of an estimated 150,000 people since the Lampedusa tragedies in which 500 migrants died in October 2013.The Italian operation will now end without a similar European search and rescue operation to replace it. The Italian authorities have said their operation, which involves a significant part of the Italian navy, is unsustainable. Despite its best efforts, more than 2,500 people are known to have drowned or gone missing in the Mediterranean since the start of the year.
Instead of the Italian operation, a limited joint EU “border protection” operation, codenamed Triton and managed by Frontex, the European border agency, is to be launched on 1 November. Crucially, it will not include search and rescue operations across the Mediterranean, just patrols within 30 miles of the Italian coast.
Indeed imagine an Mp with a powerful voice - what good could come from that eh?as an ex-PM as soon as he made a stand on anything he would create a minor sh.t storm so it's counter productive
Thanks god the NHS is saved with that £350 million eh and nations are falling at our feet to offer us trade deals and it was not just BS pledges to win the vote at any costs even stating outright lies to fool the gullible.a huge attempt to intimidate voters with ludicrous scare stories he was finihsed,
Germany is in a very bad place, Merkel has given the Greeks €100bn of taxoayers money and they are not getting it back, ever.
Not sure if the figures are right, but if Germans are surprised by the need to make transfers to offset their surpluses, then they are not very bright! Its a basic requirement of the structure they and others have built
It's one for the historians to argue over - who is the most incompetent prime minister in British history, Eden or Cameron? Eden wins on general haplessness but at least Suez was a significant geopolitical event that demanded a response - he just made a bollox of things.
Cameron was generally credible, if weak, as PM but the brexit fiasco is mind-boggling. It's not even about whether you think it's right or wrong, the political incompetence was awesome to witness. Voluntarily taking a no-play line - risking everything to win nothing, against a threat that only existed in his head.