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Solely my opinion, of course, but if you can do it after 8 pints and a dodgy kebab it’s basically just a skilled way of passing the time.
^^ with reference to the 16-year-old dartist in the news.
a skilled way of passing the time.
= sport.
On that basis, cycling isn’t a sport. You can do it sitting down. And after 8 pints and a kebab in my experience
but if you can do it after 8 pints and a dodgy kebab it’s basically just a skilled way of passing the time.
I could still ride my bike after 8 pints and a dodgy kebab! 🙂
And after 8 pints and a kebab in my experience
Chunder-cross is not UCI approved.
Okay okay, I thought I could head this one off before it turned into the e-bike thread but failed on two counts.
First, e-bike thread mentioned above.
Second, I had to go look up a definition of sport:
“an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
And realise the physical exertion bit is missing from darts. So it’s a game? And I’ve walked into a game about e-bikes. I’m going now. Bye.
I'm with you.
If you can do it in your jeans and you don't sweat through exertion it's no sport.
But then again most of my bimblings (on a bike, in the river, up a mountain) are not a sport either because I'm neither doing it competitively or training to do it competitively.
Pastimes are great. Don't do down pastimes by trying to pass them off as crap sports.
An aside - that 16 year old. I spend too much time around 16 year olds (teacher) and none of them look like that lad. He's 16 going on about 35.
Hmmm isn’t it the same as snooker.
If you can do it in your jeans and you don’t sweat through exertion it’s no sport
Agree with this. Golf, also not sport.
Edit, yes and Snooker.
Hmmm isn’t it the same as snooker.
Agreed - another fine passtime.
Anything that can generate tons of money on the telly box/streaming platforms so playing computer games as well.
Hmmm isn’t it the same as snooker.
Yes - not much effort required to be OK at it - but years of practice needed to become excellent at it.
An aside – that 16 year old. I spend too much time around 16 year olds (teacher) and none of them look like that lad. He’s 16 going on about 35.
Agreed he doesn't make a good advert for the health benefits of darts!
Anything where a performance needs to be judged and not measured isn't a sport. It's art.
See; Ice dancing, synchronised swimming, diving etc
I would say it is a game, as is snooker, as is chess. All played competitively and require skill. Can't see why that is a problem.
Who cares whether or not it's a sport. Does it matter?
Hmmm isn’t it the same as snooker.
The problem I have with darts (they don't let you drink beer these days do they?) is that it's only about your skill - nothing you do affects your opponent. However this is not the case with snooker, which is why I prefer it.
Anything that can generate tons of money on the telly box/streaming platforms so playing computer games as well.
Oh, you mean e-sports! 😄
nothing you do affects your opponent.
Maybe not physically but a lot of top level sport is in the head and they can definitely influence each other in that; playing faster, playing slower, getting in each other's eyeline, all been done.
Littler was at it last night. Miles ahead in one leg and on 170 he hit two 60's and then 'asked the crowd' whether he should go for the bull. Really wound Dolan up, and took him 2 sets to recover.
Andy Fordham use to wear trainers. It must be a sport 🎯
If darts isn't a sport, not is fishing, curling, shooting, dressage, bowls and others.
If darts isn’t a sport, not is fishing, curling, shooting, dressage, bowls and others.
Correct.
And if you add the Scrotes' factor too you can knock out surfing and playboat kayaking. All that half pipe BMX/skate/snowboard nonsense too. And Redbull rampage. Ski jumping is on the cusp with it's funky scoring.
I'm no horsist, but I think you could make a bit of a case that dressage is a bit physical (for the human), but the Scrotes' ruling thankfully knocks it out anyway. I guess it sits in the same category as sheep dog trials or circus animal skills.
I would say it is a game, as is snooker, as is chess. All played competitively and require skill. Can’t see why that is a problem..
Because some people just like to feel superior to others.
So by the logic that if the result is dependant on the opinion of a judge or referee it's not a sport then boxing is a sport if you knock your opponent out but not a sport if you win on points
Had this conversation a few times with mates and at work. I’m firmly with the OP and would add golf, crown green and ten pin bowling and snooker in to the mix. Basically anything that involves dressing up posher than you’d normally dress or doesn’t involve physical exertion.
Maybe not physically but a lot of top level sport is in the head and they can definitely influence each other in that
Personally that does not do it for me.
Second, I had to go look up a definition of sport:
“an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
Therefore time trial is not a sport
I think boxing loses out for no other reason than having 4 world champions per category at the same time and the current champion getting to pick who gets to challenge for their crown most of the time before you get close to how it's scored. I'd pop it in the same category as WWE but the actings better.
Boxing is an utter travesty nowadays. Everyone builds up to be champ by fighting opponents clearly a lot less skilled than they are. Then avoid fighting anyone remotely at the same skill level whilst pretending they’re US wrestlers by staring at each other and making vague threats. Sad state of affairs.
Therefore time trial is not a sport
You're still competing in a time trial, DH racing etc
I’m sure that as the dartists are competing for half a million quid in prize money, they couldn’t give a toss whether you define it as a sport or not
That’s a nice payday for a pastime
If judges involved, at least we can all agree that things like Rampage are not sports.
they couldn’t give a toss
I see what you did there.....
And out of.curiosity, if I wanted to follow the darts coverage, can anyone recommend a website?
most people would class cricket as a sport, yet you can do 90% of that without sweating at all. Similarly bowls.
If you can do it in your jeans and you don’t sweat through exertion it’s no sport.
I agree with this. Succinctly put!
Most of the present Manchester United squad don’t look like they break a sweat for 90 minutes and most look like they’ve just had 8 pints and a kebab
most people would class cricket as a sport, yet you can do 90% of that without sweating at all. Similarly bowls.
I was going to mention cricket but feared the wrath of big hitters who may like it. I’m torn though as I’ve seen people break a sweat whilst playing it.
Maybe not a sport in some folks eyes, but that lad may have a tough time getting back into the swing of school when goes back (assuming he is)
I’m sure that as the dartists are competing for half a million quid in prize money, they couldn’t give a toss whether you define it as a sport or not
That’s a nice payday for a pastime
Got to keep up with the pie and Elizabeth Duke jewellery payments.
I’ve seen people break a sweat whilst playing it.
See also: curling
I did see a facebook post earlier about the 16yo that made me laugh, about what the midwife said when he was born - "Congratulations, it's a man" 😂
See also: curling one out
Solely my opinion, of course, but if you can do it after 8 pints and a dodgy kebab it’s basically just a skilled way of passing the time.
Point of order, surely you play darts while consuming 8 pints, and prior to eating a dodgy kebab?
If you've been getting shit-faced, then gorging yourself on elephant foot shavings in pitta Before playing darts, no wonder You're bitter about it you've gone and handicapped yourself.
I feel the same about Golf, it's not a real sport mostly because I have zero ability to play it.
See also: curling
I think if Eve Muirhead was screaming "Hard!" at me I'd be sweating too - she was scary!
I think you could make a bit of a case that dressage is a bit physical (for the human), but the Scrotes’ ruling thankfully knocks it out anyway.
Oaright bruv let's kill it in the dressage fam.
I’ve seen people break a sweat whilst playing it.
See also: curling
I’m not a fan of cricket, but my memory from seeing my grandad watch it, is of men wearing woollen cable knit jumpers playing it. People used to wear that shit to go fishing in the North Sea and climbing K2. I’d break a sweat sitting still whilst wearing one. No idea what they wear nowadays as I have more interesting things to do, like putting the bins out.
Shirley snooker falls into the same place. Game, not sport.
Swimming and martial arts out then?
Thread of the year for me. 😂
Eve Muirhead was screaming “Hard!” at me…
Dave Goggins, surely.
Swimming and martial arts out then?
I suppose you've had to change out of normal footwear, so maybe not 🙂
It’s as much a sport as shooting or archery. All require physical skill. That one is not an Olympic sport is cultural.
martial arts out then?
Glupton showed us all how poor pro martial artists are a few years back.
In other news that 35 16 year old is in the finals. £100,000 minimum pay day, isn't it? With £500,000 for winning. Fair play to the lad!
It’s as much a sport as shooting or archery. All require physical skill.
I think we're in agreement......none of them are sports.
Sport or not, he has played amazingly well!
That 132 out, of: bull, bull, double 16 was a thing of beauty 😍
Ps I started playing darts at much the same age as him - I used to think I was good 😂😂😂
£100,000 minimum pay day, isn’t it? With £500,000 for winning. Fair play to the lad!
However you cut it - that's a lot of kebabs.
add golf<br />
Try hitting the ball 300 yards on the fly or swing the club at 180mph and then come back and tell me that you don’t need to be fairly athletic to be a top golfer. The game has moved on since the days of fatties winning anything in the pro ranks..
That’s like an ebike rider
and it’s better for the environment than driving
Are eSports the equivalent of [s]outcasts[/s] eBikes?
need to be fairly athletic to be a top golfer
The comparison between my fitness and speed, dress sense and style compared to Loic Bruno is perhaps paralleled in golfing?
doing our sport
What sports that then?
I don’t care if it’s a sport or not, I am seriously impressed with what he has achieved in his first pro tournament. Well done to him.
It's arithmetic - competitive subtraction. (with added complexity of the three times table)
John Daly used to drink 40 tins a day and never failed a drugs test whereas had he been drinking 40 cortados he'd probably be done for caffeine abuse
Surprised F1 drivers aren't been dragged into this but they wouldn't get into the seat with anymore than 10%fat or excess muscle
Try hitting the ball 300 yards on the fly or swing the club at 180mph<br /><br />
It’s amazing what you have to do to go for a walk these days.
Nice bit of middle class sneering at a working class activity here. That and slagging a teenager off for the way he looks, not cool imo. I know nothing about darts but the lad clearly has a prodigious talent for it, which is going to make him financially secure. Good on him 👍
Climbing uses special footwear and I’ve never seen it as a sport. Just a fun challenge that’s occasionally scary. Golf is definitely not a sport in my eyes. It involves dressing like a dickhead and comes with a function room and bar. It’s a club with clubs.
Nice bit of middle class sneering at a working class activity here.
I’m working class and you’ve definitely summed it up. Activity, not sport. I think the OP started the thread in a lighthearted fashion. As per STW forum rules it has been dragged in to serious territory.
Rowing can’t be a sport either then, because you’re basically just sat on your arse
That’s like competitive telly watching
Golf is definitely not a sport in my eyes. It involves dressing like a dickhead
TiRed
It’s as much a sport as shooting or archery. All require physical skill. That one is not an Olympic sport is cultural.
(Olympic) Archery also requires a fair bit of physical conditioning and strength training that darts and shooting (as far as I'm aware beyond breath control) don't.
I often found (especially in windy conditions) shooting 12 dozen arrows (plus sighters) from a 40lb recurve bow more physically demanding than most MTB rides. Not in a cardio way, but the DOMS was often pretty bad.
Rowing can’t be a sport either then, because you’re basically just sat on your arse
That’s like competitive telly watching
You've just described most Motorsport. Press a pedal, twiddle a wheel. Watch the world go by. Job jobbed for no effort.
none of them are sports.
<br />Au contraire, they are all sports since they all require physical excellence and skill. Whether a sport requires physical exertion is another viewpoint. Chess is a game as no physical skill is needed. Snooker is also a sport, as is golf for the same reasons.
Hope he wins. All sports benefit from major upsets. Emma Radicanu won again recently too.
Second, I had to go look up a definition of sport:
“an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
It’s as much a sport as shooting or archery. All require physical skill. That one is not an Olympic sport is cultural.
Please to tell me which one isn’t an Olympic sport? Enquiring minds want to know.
Hope he wins
On a serious note, this. It’s a great story of lifelong desire and practice coming to fruition, let’s enjoy his success and enthusiastic kebab related character before it gets managed out of him.