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Has anyone been offended by it? Who?
Says privileged white guy on middle class forum.
https://twitter.com/DaneBaptweets/status/1126412580543705089
https://twitter.com/estherarmah/status/1126347345686409216
Says privileged white guy on middle class forum.
Upper class royal palace dwellers then?
As long as they don't draft Jonathan Ross in to replace him....
I reckon this baby all the fuss is about is ginger haired.
Ginger Dad; family of immigrants from Germany; Greek Great Grandfather. The scope for taking offence is going to be endless.
Another here who didn’t make a race connection. Even after reading the first few posts of ‘how did he think people would react?’ I was still assuming it was just royalist outrage.
Royals = performing animals, that was my take. Not that funny, but that’s it.
Says privileged white guy on middle class forum.
Assuming my race and making a value judgement about me based on your assumption seems racist to me.
Now you've bought my race into this, how are you defining "White"?
I think the media intrusion on to the kids life and the parents insta lifestyle are more harmful then pointing out that all royal babies are performing monkeys.
Appreciation of "English"/subtle/black humour is a dying trait and we will be worse off for it.
Unfortunately the tabloids aren't dying off.
Way he'd an listened to him for years and like others never senced any hint of racism, just a poorly timed funny image.😭😭bye bye Danny.
Says privileged white guy on middle class forum.
Is this a middle class forum 😱🧟♂️
Is this a middle class forum
Yes, and you forgot the 'whiny cockbags' bit.
It was a stupid thing to do, innocent though it may have been.
As for Roger Moore, that is sad. Just didn't see it coming.
black humour
Careful now...
What an absolute idiot still at least it's got rid of him, I've never understood why he was even popular.
As for Roger Moore, that is sad. Just didn’t see it coming.
Even after 2 years?
As for Roger Moore, that is sad. Just didn’t see it coming.
Leave Rog out of this.
at least itll give farage something to be all 'PC gone mad' about on question time tonight
at least itll give farage something to be all ‘PG gone mad’ about on question time tonight
FIFY
did he post this during one of his drunken Twitter evenings?
the picture was ill judged without the racist connotations. incredibly naive in today's world. quite right that BBC (who I am not a big fan of) have canned him. how could they not?
My mum used to call me a cheeky little monkey when I was little.
Makes you think...
I guess he can back to Daz adverts now.
Royals = performing animals, that was my take. Not that funny, but that’s it.
Agreed. Also if you used to listen to his radio show he's been doing chimps dressed as famous people for ages.
That said, it was a bit silly given the possible interpretations.
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Career suicide.
How did such an intelligent and worldly wise bloke make such a poor error of judgment?
The prickly, pious beeb were bound to axe him.
Plenty of racists know that MM is mixed race, and because of that you get this:
Mail Racists being Racists Shocker
BBC haven't updated the schedules yet. I wonder which radio equivalent of magnolia paint they will offer. If it is Chiles I will stage a dirty protest in the Blue Peter garden.
I’m just chuffed to bits that I’m suddenly middle class.
What is all this pish about how no-one could think or notice that a joke about a mixed race person involving comparisons to a chimp might be a bit racist?
For those who can't see the problem. Any comment on Rosanne Rarrs tweet about Valerie Jarret?
That cost her her career, but at least she admitted that what she said was offensive and told people to stop defending her (even if she claimed she didn't mean it that way, and blamed sleeping tablets).
I'd say that both Danny Bakers tweet and apology were worse.
I don't like it when people jump in the offense bandwagon.
When they get pissed about "offense" to their religion or politics, they can jog on.
But this is racism, not "perlicital kerreknese gernded maaaaaaad!".
Any comment on Rosanne Rarrs tweet about Valerie Jarret?
Yeah - who? and who? and what?
I'm so confused.
Is this guy not racist, racist or double racist?
at least itll give farage something to be all ‘PG gone mad’ about on question time tonight
FIFY
Thread won.
Perchy, he is the square root of an imaginary racist.
It's hard to explain, right now he isn't, but, if you multiply him with himself, he instantly becomes more racist than you can possibly imagine.
What is all this pish about how no-one could think or notice that a joke about a mixed race person involving comparisons to a chimp might be a bit racist?
I think that once its pointed out, its obvious it can be seen as racist. But unless you are a racist yourself, or have suffered from racism, its not immediately obvious.
So the guy has (apparently inadvertently) caused offence and apologised. What more does STW want?
I think that once its pointed out, its obvious it can be seen as racist. But unless you are a racist yourself, or have suffered from racism, its not immediately obvious.
So the guy has (apparently inadvertently) caused offence and apologised. What more does STW want?
but he didnt though he said that anyone who saw racism in his tweet had a 'disseased mind' which really pissed off those who have suffered from racism
its possible*, if he'd just left a sincere appology he could have waethered it out
*maybe, he did break the BBC guidelines
Implying that the child of a mixed race mother is a monkey is clearly racist, how can anyone suggest otherwise?
Whether Danny Baker is a racist is another matter but that doesn't takeaway the fact that what he posted was racist.
Am I offended - no but then I am not offended by very much. It is still wrong though.
You can take the boy out of south london, but can you take south london out of the boy ?
Disappointed
I started in the camp of "what he did was misjudged but not racist"; but reading the thread we do have a bit of a 'it didn't offend me, therefore it's OK' vibe. Sooo... on balance I can see why the BBC sacked him.
The BBC is now leading with it as its top story on the radio news, clearly desperate to show that it did the right thing.
More annoying is the doorstep haranguing of him, and this culture of "WHY haven't you apologised MORE?!! WHY haven't you burned down your house and all your possessions to show how REALLY sorry you are? WHY??!!".
What happened to "employee misjudges badly, has to be fired, here's why, he's apologised, let's move on"?
it's the 2nd time he's been sacked from the BBC.
He got sacked in the 90's after he was offensive about referees on 606.
606 was brilliant then, absolutely original and has never been close since. Just another boring football phone in.
I am not surprised he's been sacked but I don't think he has a racist bone in his body.
kerley
Member
Implying that the child of a mixed race mother is a monkey is clearly racist, how can anyone suggest otherwise?
yip.
but he didnt though he said that anyone who saw racism in his tweet had a ‘disseased mind’ which really pissed off those who have suffered from racism
Fair enough - if he said that he's a complete idiot, (should have gone for the sincere apology approach)
now if only sean keaveny would say something offensive this afternoon and get sacked it'll be a good day all round.
Another here who didn’t make a race connection. Even after reading the first few posts of ‘how did he think people would react?’ I was still assuming it was just royalist outrage.
Royals = performing animals, that was my take. Not that funny, but that’s it.
Same, and I didn't see "monkey" and therefore a racist insult, I just saw a chimp and old timey photo, not really getting the reference but thinking a dig at the royals and performing animals or something like that.
But then I'm a bit clueless about racist insults. I just see people and surprised when someone makes an insult or just even a reference to the fact person A is different to person B.
I didn't even realise the word monkey was used as an insult until a few years back when there was some thing in the news about people making monkey noises at football games. Sad that people are making those insults but you can understand some are just unaware of it or why you'd even want to insult someone over the colour of their skin or other differences.
With hindsight, yeah what DB has done is out of order but I can accept it wasn't a malicious intent. Not bothered about him getting fired as not a fan really, but wouldn't personally have been outraged and calling for him to be fired either.
Implying that the child of a mixed race mother is a monkey is clearly racist, how can anyone suggest otherwise?
Implying that the child of a mixed race mother is a monkey is clearly racist, if the implication is made because it is the child of a mixed race mother.
Implying the child of a mixed race mother is a monkey, because they are the member of the Royal Family & without considering the race of its mother at any point, may be thoughtless but isn't racist.
Hoping Liz Kershaw will resign from R6 in protest.
Implying that the child of a mixed race mother is a monkey is clearly racist, how can anyone suggest otherwise?
That requires you consciously or even subconsciously acknowledging that Meghan Markle is of mixed race. When I think of her (that sounds creepy!) her racial heritage is very low down on the things that cross my mind. I have just come out of a class I've taught and in it there were two Chinese, one Italian, one Syrian and one Danish student along with a host of white caucasian British students. It did not cross my mind once - I've had to think hard about it in order to write this down now. I think of them as a dozen individuals and I remember them by they names and personalities. Is it possible to get to the point of racial blindness that you have to force yourself to think about it in order to not cause unintentional offence as a by product of people thinking and looking for offence where it was not meant. I guess so.
she is as much white as black - The joke came across as intended. The Royals are a circus show
From someone who doesn't know who Danny Baker is, or his links to calling the royals a circus show, that came across as racist. Might have been different had they been dressed in clowns clothing.
It was very easily interpreted one of two ways. Poor choice, and most likely in breech of contract.
Are we SURE that Steve Wright hasn’t liked his tweet or something. Can someone check please?
How is that man still broadcasting?
Implying that the child of a mixed race mother is a monkey is clearly racist, if the implication is made because it is the child of a mixed race mother.
Nobody can know what Baker was implying, which is why posting that image is racist even if he is not deliberately being racist.
I am also sure that Baker knows Megan is mixed race (as it has been in the media a fair amount for a year or two) so that connotation not crossing his mind is surprising to say the least.
somewhatslightlydazed
But unless you are a racist yourself, or have suffered from racism, its not immediately obvious.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA...
Oh .. you were serious?
Clearly Wet Wet Wet were, wrong its not just love all around us.
Dezb, google is your friend, unless you were just being obtuse?
I agree that the relevance of a story about someone comparing a mixed race person to an ape, in a thread about someone comparing a mixed race person to an ape might have gone over your head so for clarity. Its a reference to a story about someone comparing a mixed race person to an ape. (and the aftermath).
Does that help?
‘disseased mind’
Personally, I think he was spot on with this. Anyone who sees a chimp and thinks "black person" is twisted.
Where is everyone getting "monkey" from anyway? It's clearly a chimp. Unless you're saying that simians all look alike, which is species-ist?
chimpanzeeist the lot of them
Personally, I think he was spot on with this. Anyone who sees a chimp and thinks “black person” is twisted.
if only we could all live in such an innocent world [sighs wistfully]
I didn’t even realise the word monkey was used as an insult until a few years back when there was some thing in the news about people making monkey noises at football games.
Of course, re-reading what I just said there, someone like DB should be more aware of this with his football background.
Still though, like said, I saw chimp, not monkey, and didn't cross my mind.
in a thread about someone comparing a mixed race person to an ape
What, this one? Who's being obtuse now?
Question then.
So are we saying, if none of the grandparents were black this would be OK and taken in the context of performing chimps ?
Yes...in my view. You have had to be under a rock to not know about Megan's family tree.
weeksy
Subscriber
Question then.So are we saying, if none of the grandparents were black this would be OK and taken in the context of performing chimps ?
probably, but the context of performing chimps is quite an obscure one these days!
So are we saying, if none of the grandparents were black this would be OK and taken in the context of performing chimps ?
For me, yes. If you found it funny or not might depend how hard you like to tug your forelock. The Daily Mail would no doubt find it a treasonable offence and would be sending a researcher off into the archives to find a migrant in Danny Baker's ancestry as reason enough to have him deported.
Danny's getting an easy ride on this yin..
outofbreath
Personally, I think he was spot on with this. Anyone who sees a chimp and thinks “black person” is twisted.
I think you'll find that it was the other way around.
Someone saw a mixed race child and thought "chimp".
See?
No-one had to look at a picture and wait for a connection in their own head. The connection was made in the words he wrote underneath.
Is that clear enough? Or is "obtuse" in the running for word of the week.
Its not the picture thats racist, its the context he wrote for it.
Thanks for playing.
You have had to be under a rock to not know about Megan’s family tree.
I didn't even know how to spell her name, let alone her surname, until this thread.
Let alone again who her parents are and their history.
This thread has totally flabbered my gast. So often I come on here and raise my eybrows at what I see as a hysterical preoccupation with "isms". And yet here there's people defending Bakers actions as a "bit of a mistake", does your hatred of everything Royal trump everything else ? Even if Danny Bakers intentions weren't racist, it's glaringly obvious to anyone other than a complete moron that it could be interpreted as such, almost instantly by the vast majority. It's a huge misjudgment on his behalf and impossible to think he could have kept his job.
Personally I don't think he's a bad person but over this just a stupid fool.
So are we saying, if none of the grandparents were black this would be OK and taken in the context of performing chimps ?
And a yes from me. For example if the picture had been posted when Harry was born there is no racist element to it.
(This is much harder that it should be...)
kerley
Member
And a yes from me. For example if the picture had been posted when Harry was born there is no racist element to it.
But it wasn't...
The mental gymnastics are getting a 10 from me on this thread! 😆
‘disseased mind’
Personally, I think he was spot on with this. Anyone who sees a chimp and thinks “black person” is twisted.
I think you’ll find that it was the other way around.
Someone saw a mixed race child and thought “chimp”.
Oh well that's alright then! Errr, no, it's not, it's equally twisted. He's 100pc right.
I didn’t even know how to spell her name, let alone her surname, until this thread.
Let alone again who her parents are and their history.
Me too and I'm a "Monarchist". (For the obvious reasons - see Trump's visit for D-Day.) However, I'm not remotely interested in the Royal Family. (Except Phil's war service and Sailing, which is interesting.)
Dezb et. al.
If you can't see how that tweet solidly implies a link between a mixed race child and an ape, do you also hold that some football fans chuck bananas at black players because they're worried about their potassium levels?
He might not have meant it that way, but that doesn't make him "beyond racism" it makes him look like a ****ing idiot, and hes clearly not alone.
If I post a racist image, and you think it's racist, you're the racist.
Olympic standard gymnastics right there! 😆
My white friend posted a picture of her son looking very naughty caught in the act of toddler carnage with the caption 'cheeky monkey!'. Her husband is black and the child mixed race. Does that make her racist? She can't exactly not claim to know her son is of mixed race now can she? But she is white so I'd say probably guilty. Her husband 'liked' the post so no doubt he's racist too.
outofbreath,
the "someone" who
saw a mixed race child and thought “chimp”.
was Danny Baker. That might be the bit you're missing
Looks pretty clear from the tweet.
Or maybe the distinguished gentleman on the left was meant to be the "child" in the photo!
If so, how vexing, I missed the joke completely!
Must be the innate heightism deep in my soul!
If you can't see the immediate racist content, then you need to have a word with yourself
Might have been a mistake, and for what it's worth, I don't think Baker is a racist, but his tweet was, and he pretty much gave the BBC no room for manoeuvre.
‘disseased mind’
Personally, I think he was spot on with this. Anyone who sees a chimp and thinks “black person” is twisted.
I think you’ll find that it was the other way around.
Someone saw a mixed race child and thought “chimp”.
Oh well that’s alright then! Errr, no, it’s not, it’s equally twisted. He’s 100pc right.
the “someone” who ... saw a mixed race child and thought “chimp”... was Danny Baker.
Not relevant to my point. Baker's still right.
If you cannot see how this can be viewed as racist then I am afraid you are both naive and out of touch.
I’m not naive but I’m certainly out of touch, at least where the ethnicity of recent additions to the royal family are concerned.
I honestly had no idea of her family heritage. And possibly that’s what Danny B meant when he said...
“royal watching is not my forte”
2 possibilities here
Danny baker saw the racist connotation here and posted it anyway, knowing fine well that it would 99% end up with his sacking
Or
As per his excuse, he didn't put 2 and 2 together, and the racist element hadn't even crossed his mind.
For those of you that think it's the former, why would he consciously do something which would undoubtedly have a major impact on his brand and career, for what appears to be very little personal gain?
I saw it and initially thought it was about the spectacle of the royal birth or them being circus entities until I was read it could be construed as racist.
But MrAdamW has been reading off twitter the past few days and while I couldn't give a rat's bum about the royals the amount of racist vitriol against Meghan Markle/Duchess of Somewhere I Can't Be Bothered to Look Up is extreme. Really nasty stuff.
Which is why I tend to keep off social media. Tis truely an awful cesspit. There are a lot of sick people on those platforms.
tpbiker
Member
2 possibilities here
Danny baker saw the racist connotation here and posted it anyway, knowing fine well that it would 99% end up with his sacking
Or
As per his excuse, he didn’t put 2 and 2 together, and the racist element hadn’t even crossed his mind.
How about a 3rd- he saw the racist connotation but posted it anyway, thinking he'd get away with it.
eh?
He's been doing the monkey gag for two decades and nobody has complained like this. Sure, with hindsight, this was very ill advised so he pulled the tweet, but he's not a racist.
"he’s not a racist"
The question there is, does that actually matter. I don't think he's a racist, but I think it's possible he intentionally posted something he knew people would take as racist, to get a reaction. And that's shitty too. You don't have to be a racist to do racism. (We don't know if Theresa May's an actual racist frinstance, or if she just does it for political reasons, or maybe because she enjoys harming people in general. But we should still kick her arse for Windrush whatever her reasons)
(I don't know what his motivations and thoughts were; I'm just saying, it's not necessary for him to be a racist, for this to be wrong)
To all those who are suggesting that this is just part of a long running gag, think on this Megan's mum is a black woman from the USA. Do you think she thought.
1. That's just Danny Baker being a bit silly
2. pretty openly racist