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Brand new 7 seater at £15k sounds interesting, trying to figure out if you can fit a bike in it. Anyone know anything about them?
They are a bit low are they not.
The Dacia spring appears to have got under the radar.....
Looks like a useful version of Renault's twizzy (and about as safe)
.....but for 15k.
Looks like you can't remove the middle row of seats.
Was honestly expecting something pretty gopping, not led headlights and something not bad looking - the only option on the top of the range one is paint and a spare wheel, for £17k.
Will be interested to see how much the hybrid version is when it releases.
Aren’t they made of cheese though? Like a Renault only worse.
Aren’t they made of cheese though? Like a Renault only worse.
The older ones were.... Don't see many of them on the road either. Confirmation bias maybe but they were pretty horrific to be in and drive. I wanted to like it I really did the price was right but the petrol engine was chronically under powered for the size of car (Logan MPV) and the diesel at the time only availible in the top spec and at that point a whole host of better slightly used cars came into play. ..... The seats were uncomfy and I had to lie back or look through the sun visor...
But cars companies can change. The forums beloved Skoda was once a bag of shit. And VW once a bastion of quality and reliability is just as bad as the Rest now....
It's a new version of the Logan, will be more interested to see what the engine options eventually look like as its just the 100hp option at the moment. From the Pistonheads Duster thread I reckon it could be pretty good.
As for Škoda and their ilk, my aunt had an Estelle in that orangey red colour. Didn't know anyone else with a rear engined daily. My dad also had a Lada Riva, one of the most reliable cars he had.
That said, why do Škoda Rapid's have two exhausts?
How does that compare to other quadricycles and the citroen ami?
Oh but no one cares about that because they are not cars... .
Also..... Many folk happy to drive 10 year old cars that will be similar .... Remember 5 star today isn't the same as 5 star 10 years ago it's a progressive award.
Be safer than my land rover anyway
They get marked down a lot due to lack of electronic safety gizmos. Might not be a bad thing depending on what they are. Replacing a windscreen with a a camera in is pretty expensive.
Looks pretty decent! On the video on the main website, looks like the 3rd row fold fairly flat, and on Autocar etc, it actually looks bigger than sone of the press shots make it appear.
Definitely interested to have a proper look at one in a dealer. What's the etiquette around turning up with a big coil shocked enduro bike to "see how it fits"?!? 🤔 🤣🤣🤣
You had to lay a 26er flat in the mk1 duster even with front wheel off and the new jogger looks like it has less height in the boot
Oh meant to add.... In fairness to the kwid/jogger
The much loved and lauded on here current model Renault Zoe got zero stars.
The reports interesting reading.....it's mostly pedestrian safety issues but interestingly it's also only the third car in history to achieve zero stars.....
Re duster/jogger the duster did have a high boot floor for the running gear so possible with the lower roof it's similar. It certainly doesn't look high enough for a bike upright with wheels both in
It's the Lodgy replacement. The Lodgy wasn't sold in the UK but popular on this side of the channel and very very popular in North Africa.
I bought a TCE 115 Lodgy new nearly 10 years ago and still have it. It hasn't been used much for the last four as the Zoé covers most of our needs. For what it costs in insurance it's handy to have around as a people/junk mover.
+ve
Madame loves it, she chose it, it was in the top 10 lady's cars when released. Visibility is good and it's easy to place on the road.
It's comfy to sleep in with a matress on top of boxes, bikes or whatever.
It's great for skiing, very good in the snow and with the split rear seat it takes four people and a heap of snow boards/skis and baggage.
It's reliable, one rear motor wiper replaced under guarantee because it wouldn't stop.
Cheap to service and it's Renault group so there are garages all over Europe. Our local dealer is excellent.
Econmical, only 1.2 tonnes, we've averaged 5.8l/100km
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The front suspension is OK but the rear is painfully harsh, it's the slowest thing over a speed bump if you value you spine. It leans quite a lot when pushed.
The seats are more comfortable than they look but offer no sideways support, drive smoothly or you pasengers will be hunting for the absent grab handles. 2000km in two days, no aches.
Grab handles arent the only thing absent, the trim is plasticky and spartan.
Safety features and air bags are minimalist.
Madame hates reversing it, it's like reversing a barge, the bodywork bears the scars.
The Spring? Commuter car of the year IMHO.
Looks pretty decent opening to me
Reckon you will have to drop seatpost and front wheel tho and wheel in backward. Could fix a front axle clamp to boot floor.
Practical 7 seater that doesn't look like a mobility van for 15k bargain
I kept reading the thread title as Bianca Jagger and wondering if she has died.
We have dropper posts and take the front wheels out of our 27.5 mtbs to get them in vertically. All of the rear seats in the Lodgy can be removed in about ten minutes which makes a huge load space if there are only two of us, I'd guess the Jogger will be the same.
What’s the etiquette around turning up with a big coil shocked enduro bike to “see how it fits”?!?
Why not if that’s one of your criteria- just make sure it’s clean! One of the sales guys didn’t look happy when I tried my son’s wheelchair in the boot for size and a lump of mud dropped off it.
I have to say this thread has gotten me perusing the Dacia site...
The most annoying thing about the Jogger is that they don't offer an auto gearbox option and they do for the Duster, a cheap petrol estate appeals for general family use and roadtrips (not an SUV fan). But an auto would be ideal meaning the missus could drive it and I wouldn't have to change gears for myself like some sort of peasant (he says looking at a Dacia).
I think I'd like to see one 'in the metal', lined up next to a Duster (and maybe the previous Logan) just for comparison, it's not so much the extra seats (but that would be a bonus) but luggage space and layout I'm interested in.
Hmmm...
I took the rear seat out of a Zoé in the showroom of our local dealer to check our 2 MTBs would fit. The salesman was most amused, he/we found out that no specific tools were required to get the seat out, just anything resembling a screw driver to flip a couple of catches.
I think Dacia could be seeing a lot of interest from mountain bikers with this one! Definitely looks promising, especially for those of us living in cities with CAZs that would make van of larger MPV ownership prohibitively expensive.
If you want to fit a bike in (or 2) without even removing a wheel, for that kind of price, look at second hand Citroen Berlingo or siblings (Peugeot rifter, Vauxhall combo life). They do a 7 seater as well but the seats in the 5 seater fold flat, so does the passenger seat from mid trim, giving you nearly a 3m long flat space which is plenty for bikes. It's pretty good to drive too and safe.
@matchico I'm so confused by the different Berlingo/Rifter/Combo models over the years. What year/models do I need? Is there a way I can have 3 bikes and 3 people in the car? That's when a 7 seater seems best (and something we do quite frequently).
Found an interior view of the Jogger that shows there's a lot of head room.
Peugeot/Citroën were always siblings from day 1. The last generation is now also shared with Vauxhall combo (van) and combo life (passenger car) as well as Toyota (van only)! Only the last gen had the folding front passenger seat. Not sure about getting 3 person and 3 bikes in though. Will be a tight fit... You might need to look at bigger vans like transporter or similar
The "modular roof bars" look interesting but only come on the Comfort and Exclusive, not the Boggo version.
No mention of Towbar bike carriers (Again the Duster has one available as an accessory, not that I can find a price for it).
If I were buying a new economy people & Stuff mover I'd sort of want to tick the box for those extras rather than alloys or a fancier Infotainment system.
I can get 3 bikes and 3 people in my 16 plate Peugot partner teepee. without taking any seats out . That said its easy to remove the seats as you just need to tilt them at a slight angle and lift out.
They are great little motors sadly mine nneeds a new NOX sensor for the cat converter which isnt going to be cheap. They are also only £20 a year in road tax.
I can get 3 bikes and 3 people in my 16 plate Peugot partner teepee. without taking any seats out . That said its easy to remove the seats as you just need to tilt them at a slight angle and lift out.
They are great little motors sadly mine nneeds a new NOX sensor for the cat converter which isnt going to be cheap. They are also only £20 a year in road tax.
Wonderful, but we're talking about a new Dacia...
The Jogger has my interest.....I've spent a bit of time in Dacias in Afria and they seemed to be pretty durable.
I reckon it'd be a cheap to run all-round surf/bike wagon until EVs are more affordable and practical.
I want to see one in the flesh first.
Looks like those modular roofbars aren't T Track ones which is a little bit of a pain but no show stopper.
Looks like those modular roofbars aren’t T Track ones which is a little bit of a pain but no show stopper.
good point, I was maybe getting hung up on the fact that they're clever, pivoty things rather than how practical they might be for bike carriers or a box, standard rails are probably an advantage.
A factory fit tow bar + electrics option would be nice IMO, but it's certainly not a deal breaker.
Quite like it. Looks like a sensible shape and a reasonable price.
Think of it as an older Renault but up to date if you know what I mean, so relatively simple with tested kit in it for a good price and bear in mind no one makes truly bad cars any more as per the comment on Skoda (Estelle was truly terrible), an Octavia or Yeti is probably a great bike car....not forgetting a mark 3 Honda CRV would do everything the Dacia can do and be reliable and allow enough for that new E bike.
an Octavia or Yeti is probably a great bike car
A Roomster is bigger than a Yeti. Seriously.
That said, why do Škoda Rapid’s have two exhausts?
Cheaper than joining the two into one collector?
Peugeot/Citroën were always siblings from day 1. The last generation is now also shared with Vauxhall combo (van) and combo life (passenger car) as well as Toyota (van only)! Only the last gen had the folding front passenger seat. Not sure about getting 3 person and 3 bikes in though. Will be a tight fit… You might need to look at bigger vans like transporter or similar
A friend and occasional forumite used to do it in his, but it requires a bit of disassembly (wheels out, stack the frames where the 60% seat would be and then wedge wheels around it/the remaining boot). There's a lot of height in a Berlingo and the hatchback is vertical so there's a lot more room than even a modern estate. Great for trips, probably not something you'd want to do daily to local-ish trails. 2+2 people+bikes is their optimum.
That said, why do Škoda Rapid’s have two exhausts?
Cheaper than joining the two into one collector?
Worst punchline ever.
They are also only £20 a year in road tax
That's £20 that you're being conned out of. 'Road Tax' doesn't exist.
That’s £20 that you’re being conned out of. ‘Road Tax’ doesn’t exist.
That's a funny punch line when your talking to non cyclists....
It doesn't quite have the same effect here.
Peugeot/Citroën were always siblings from day 1
I suggest reading the respective histories.
Regarding Dacia reliablity, it's model dependant. The less loaded they are the more reliable. Many now have Renault drive trains as the Dacia ones had to be phased out as they couldn't get through Euro 6. If you want a reliable car get the base model non-turbo 3 cylinder Sandero.
@edukator
I think the context was that the Peugeot/Citroën versions of the Berlingo platform were always the same but the Vauxhall version is a recent edition...
Peugeot/Citroën were always siblings from day 1. The last generation is now also shared with Vauxhall combo
Many now have Renault drive trains as the Dacia ones had to be phased out as they couldn’t get through Euro 6.
'Modern' Dacias (ie since the brand was relaunched in the UK) have always had Groupe Renault drive trains. Usually Clio engines / gearboxes.
The new Sandero is a really impressive little car, I was looking for something new for my Mum and if it had been a bit smaller we would have got one for her - ended up with an Aygo instead.
Like a Renault only worse.
My Renault Scenic would be great if it wasn't for the shitty electrics.
If Dacia have less complex and fragile electrics, I could be interested.
Wish they'd start making vans though.
Wish they’d start making vans though.
They do - they just don't make them in RHD or bring them into the UK.....
They do – they just don’t make them in RHD or bring them into the UK…..
OK, I'd just found out about the Duster Commercial, if that's what you mean?
What I'm really after is a Dacia version of the Trafic for £10k less though.
Dacia Dokker is the van but not as big as a Trafic. Also commercial versions of the Logan estate over the years
Anyone seen one yet? Wondered how much load length is in the back...
Went to have a look today. Boot with the two rear seats down is a bit bigger than a Berlingo Multispace.
Nice looking car. Salesman is going to give me a call on Monday when they are allowed to start booking test drives.
I'll also add that you'll never be wheeling a bike into it unless it's a kids one. The roof is a good bit lower than a Berlingo and it doesn't have an entirely flat boot lip. Only had a brief sit in the driver's seat, feels much more car like but then it's car based not van based so makes sense.
I asked if they'd had much interest and the guy said they'd had loads of people asking about it or popping in to have a look.
For me it's the only thing on the market that can replace our Berlingo now that they are EV/£32k only.
Good info, thanks
Hmm, not altogether surprised since its based on the Logan/Lodgy, more disappointed by a boot lip tbh.
Thanks for the info @northernmatt. Looks like I'm getting a 2014 Zafira then 😂😭
Hmm, not altogether surprised since
Me either - it seems as if the measuring tape they built it with was accurate.
more disappointed by a boot lip tbh.
It's not massive but I'm looking at it from the perspective of a Berlingo owner which has no boot lip to the extent that things fall out sometimes when you open it.
Also, I'd rather walk than drive a Zafira, or any Vauxhall for that matter.
For me it’s the only thing on the market that can replace our Berlingo now that they are EV/£32k only.
Just get a Vauxhall Combo, they're a rehashed Berlingo now.
Also, I’d rather walk than drive a Zafira, or any Vauxhall for that matter.
The new Vauxhall's have no relationship whatsoever to the previous ones (see above). They're now like Skoda/Seat to VW, better value that the stuff they're based on ie Peugeot!
Combo is also now EV only as it's the same van as the Berlingo/Partner.
I've driven a few new Vauxhall's, despite now being based on PSA/Stellantis platforms they are still terrible cars. Example, a 1.2 Corsa with an 8 speed auto gearbox that could never decide what gear to be in.
1.2 Corsa with an 8 speed auto gearbox that could never decide what gear to be in.
You wouldnt know either if you had a usable power band smaller than a ERF truck and enough gears to try and stay in it.
Noooo. Don't do that. Ford Galaxy or S-Max. Much, much, much better cars than the Zafira. Better made, better thought out, more space, more reliable, better to drive, more comfortable. It's not even close.
My 2008 Galaxy just turned over 150k miles, about to sail through another MOT. Cost £4k in 2018 with 100k on it. Apart from a new timing belt and water pump (which I knew about when I bought it) hasn't missed a beat.
Sister swapped Zafira for S-Max at the same time. Night and day. You'll thank me 😏
That Jogger looks interesting. Hopefully got at least 4 more years out of the Galaxy yet though, so maybe one for the future.
Whoever said Skoda Yeti as a bike car has obviously never seen one. Unless he meant for a balance bike..😀
@funkrodent problem is that the Fords are hitting £13K-£22k for a 2013-2016 reg (needs to be petrol not diesel). I could maybe stomach that for a new car but I can get an OK Zafira equivalent for more like £6k. I know Zafiras are dull dull dull but I basically want something I can chuck bikes & tents into, or do tip runs (or both, and then drive to Scotland in). I’ve had two and they’re fine for that, and the main thing I want in my next car is a decent CarPlay set up, which I can do myself.
I’ve owned nice cars and stuffed some of them into the central reservation on the M4. My wife regularly bashes our car on shopping trolleys and picturesque villages in Cornwall. No point buying a nice one!
I buy Apple and Sonos stuff for nice buttons, have a nice office seat and monitor for my day to day interior, and ride bikes and karts for adrenaline.
I’d rather walk than drive a Zafira, or any Vauxhall for that matter.
This perspective makes no sense to me, especially on a thread about a 7 seater Dacia! The sooner we stop fetishising family cars the sooner manufacturers will stop making those stupid SUVs.
his perspective makes no sense to me, especially on a thread about a 7 seater Dacia!
Yep, thought the same on a thread about a Dacia that repeatedly mentions the Berlingo. We’re very much in Vauxhall territory here!
Fair enough I guess, second hand cars seem to be crazy money right now. There is of course a reason the Fords cost that much more, but as you say horses for courses. After all there's only so many Cornish villages you can bash..
I'll probably be thinking along your lines if/when the Galaxy finally succumbs to the missus bashing it into lampposts and picturesque Yorkshire Dales villages..
Fords do seem stupidly expensive atm, tbf.
This perspective makes no sense to me, especially on a thread about a 7 seater Dacia!
Yep, thought the same on a thread about a Dacia that repeatedly mentions the Berlingo. We’re very much in Vauxhall territory here!
It's me mentioning the Berlingo because I have one. I don't have anything against family cars I just have a pathological hatred of anything with a Vauxhall badge. A company that had made a business producing mediocre cars.
I just have a pathological hatred of anything with a Vauxhall badge.
Seriously? This is like you having strong feelings about the manufacture of my microwave.
Berlingos seem…ok? But hardly appealing (though the new electric ones are really nice). Try finding a ~7 yr old petrol low mileage non mobility one for less than £10k (or at all actually).
Honestly a 2 series grand tourer holds far more appeal for the sort of money Fords and Citroens are going for, and then I remember all of the vomit, mud, sand and haribo in my car and figure I might as well save £10k and all the stress and cleaning and just get another skip on wheels.
Seriously? This is like you having strong feelings about the manufacture of my microwave
I can appreciate his perspective.
Unlike a microwave you can't just walk away from a car once you start using it, the most hateful cars I've ever driven have been Vauxhalls. You seem to treat your cars as white goods, that's fine, other folk prefer something that's enjoyable to drive (this is not synonymous with "making progress" for the hard of thinking) just as none of us doss about on BSO's.
In fact that's a good analogy, Vauxhalls are the Carrera of the car world. Nothing inherently bad about them (except the ones that spontaneously combust) but nothing good either. The embodiment of beige. Any good Vauxhalls are almost exclusively made by someone else.
@squirrelking indifference I can understand. Vauxhalls are beige af. I save pathological hatred of companies for the truly evil, such as Nestle and Wonga (erm, and Hasbro, makers of monopoly).
Dont get me wrong, I’d like a nicer car (hence this thread). I like nice things, and when I didn’t need a big car I had some lovely cars, and enjoyed them *quite* a lot more than I do now.
But I’m not spending £12-15k on a old dull box when I can get a duller box for probably half that for the same age/mileage/condition. That’s crazy to me. That’s enough for a really nice bike. And it’s not like Galaxy’s and Berlingos are objectively twice as good as a Zafira (COME FOR ME I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL 😝), but it looks there are enough car snobs around to push the price of those up while Zafiras haven’t gone up so much.
Whoever said Skoda Yeti as a bike car has obviously never seen one. Unless he meant for a balance bike..😀
Used to comfortably do seating for me, Mrs hoppy and hoppy jr, 2 adult bikes and a kiddy bike with only front wheels out, plus all the kit for a day out biking in ours. The seats come out completely tool free which is really convenient. Only changed it when he went to bigger bikes.
I was surprised how small my nephew's Yeti seemed inside, especially the boot.
We used to have Vauxhalls at work and my overriding memory was they were dull and always a bit worse than the equivalent Ford, which were a similar price. My mate is on his second Insignia estate and they seem decent enough. I'd have one all day long over a Berlingo though, they are one of the most joyless vehicles to drive and travel in. Terrible driving position for me too. Yuk.
Saw one on the road today. In the pictures it looks great. On the road it just looks like what it is - a cheap, huge car. It's proper big.
I quite like the look of this Jogger thing. But then, I am approaching 40 and my days of burning petrol for fun are over.
Our Yeti is tiny in the back. Seats are small and uncomfortable, boot is high but not very deep. It's alright for ferrying a baby and all his junk around but I can't fit the child seat seat behind me if I'm driving.
I’m not spending £12-15k on a old dull box when I can get a duller box for probably half that for the same age/mileage/condition. That’s crazy to me. That’s enough for a really nice bike. And it’s not like Galaxy’s and Berlingos are objectively twice as good as a Zafira
Well you'd (seriously) think that by now if it's not gone on fire it probably won't, that's fair assessment really.
Still wouldn't bee seen dead in one though (oral stipulations to this effect have already been made), I guess that shows how irrational some folk are.
Our Yeti is tiny in the back
cm for cm they're smaller than a Roomster. Seriously.
I’d have one all day long over a Berlingo though, they are one of the most joyless vehicles to drive and travel in. Terrible driving position for me too. Yuk.
shame they are just a better box at moving things around than a regular estate car such as an insignia
Seen some reviews for the Jogger-generally favourable, there’s nothing comparable for the price.
The boot opening is the major issue really. Lip at the bottom and even at the sides it looks like a narrower opening than necessary.
Missed opportunity really to make a ULEZ compliant van like car 😢
Why are people obsessed with lips at the bottom of a car boot? Do you pack your shopping with a fork lift truck?
How much spare time do you have this afternoon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbivOddAoyw&ab_channel=SDADanCars
It's not the Lotus Elise that I was hoping to buy but I like the idea of a Jogger camper project.
Why are people obsessed with lips at the bottom of a car boot?
A 100mm lip at bottom of boot can result in a full built bike not going in.
If it can't do that why not drive a regular estate. No one denies van like mpgs are ****ing ugly .... But if they can take a bike or other bulky items I can live with it not looking or handling like a Ferrari.
Why are people obsessed with lips at the bottom of a car boot? Do you pack your shopping with a fork lift truck?
It's more the utility aspect or lack thereof. If you're wanting to get big objects in then it stands to reason that you want them to interact with as little of the rest of the car as possible.
If it can’t do that why not drive a regular estate.
Can still get decent estates with no lip 😉
Boo!
Wanted to like it but that split level floor is just no use for us. I'd need something to flatten at least the third row area and something else if I was going for maximum space.
That said you could easily turn it into a storage cubby so all is not lost.
the most hateful cars I’ve ever driven have been Vauxhalls.
Ever driven a hyundai? the I10 I had from work for a few monthswas singularly the most awful thing I have driven.
I have, an l800 and an l10. Granted the l10 was on holiday so wasn't driven that much but it didn't seem particularly awful, nor was the l800.
Maybe I just had lower expectations.
I800 crew minibus we had.
Felt like the diff was trying to escape the housing at 60 . It wasn't old.
Was also internally specced with a heavy dose of the 90s .
But that said it looked and felt like a Mercedes inside compared to a Logan MCV.