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I presume even if you have a fancy pants console or PC there’ll still be lag if the internet connection is poor,
Not really no given it doesn’t use a internet connection. There’s a few single player games use server side but not many.
But in fairness, rather better than each user having a dedicated console brimming with rare earth metals that has a lifespan of little more than 5 years!
By a little more it’s around 10.
definitely the future!
I sorta agree with this, I would much rather have a Stadia plugged into the back of my TV with a few controllers than a mini fridge aka Xbox series x in my living room or that mess that is the PS5.
Nothing wrong with the Pope’s hat.
this urban myth was pretty soundly de-bunked by More or Less (BBC podcast - although apparently no-one at the BBC listens to it as they keep repeating the myth in other “news” stories)
Probably not, all that (esp. High def) streaming is not very good for the environment.
It makes no sense when you actually thing about it - there can’t be anything much more efficient to transport around the world than data, and I bet there aren’t many places run more energy-efficiently than data centres, plus companies like Google invest massively in wind & solar.
By a little more it’s around 10.
Eh? Can't think of any launches 10 or more years apart.
People may keep them 10 years, but the industry assumes they'll be obsolete in 6 or so years from purchase. And Microsoft seemingly less than that if you had the red ring of death.
PS(1) 1994
PS2 2000
PS3 2006
PS4 2013
PS5 2020
XBox 2001
XBox 360 2005
XBox 360 Elite (HDMI) 2007
(XBox 360 S 2010)
XBox One 2013
(XBox One S 2016)
XBox One X 2020
Nintendo surprised me with more frequent updates than I thought... Maybe they always just seem 'old'? Except the SNES of course, which is timeless.
SNES 1990 (wow!)
Nintendo 64 1996
GameCube 2001
Wii 2006
Wii U 2012
Switch 2017
Why are people so obsessed with the next new lighting technique? is it really that good?
It can be and will be but the hardware is not at the point where you can really use it properly. There is too much of a hit in AAA titles.
Eh? Can’t think of any launches 10 or more years apart.
They support them long after the launch of the next gen. Last game for the PS3 was only a few months ago.
there can’t be anything much more efficient to transport around the world than data,
Well there's always not transporting anything 😉
It's not especially dirty, and it's getting cleaner. Presently though, it's the vastly increasing volumes we're moving and storing that's the issue and to some extent the volumes of hardware to support it.
If Brexit was a computer game. "Almost there lads, and it's going to be great"
No refunds with Brexit though.
To pull it from the store means they have serious issues with the game, there’s been many a failed launch but I’ve never know Sony pull a game. Bang goes my plan of grabbing it on there cheap unless they do a relaunch promotion.
I took the plunge, it's running pretty well on my GTX 1080 - way better than it did on Stadia with my 300mbs fibre connection. I believe Sony removed Cyberpunk from the store in retaliation for CDPR putting the onus for refunds on Sony, Sony have form for allowing some very buggy or outright broken games to be sold on their store.
Elons been trolling CD Projekt Red on Twitter, someone posted this in reponse.
Gave me a good laugh
Anyway having played Cyberpunk on my GTX 1080 my issues with the game aren't the graphics or performance, it looks really quite good and runs well on medium settings at 1440p.
It's that the game is neither a proper RPG with actions that matter or a Far Cry 5 open world shooter with good gun play. Right now I'm much more into Co-Op Far Cry 5 with my wife, the gun play is much better and the tactics are more varied.
To pull it from the store means they have serious issues with the game, there’s been many a failed launch but I’ve never know Sony pull a game. Bang goes my plan of grabbing it on there cheap unless they do a relaunch promotion.
eBay will probably be full of physical copies after xmas for peanuts. Assuming it'll be patched to work at some point... whether it'll ever reach it's full potential is another question.
I can remember a couple of games that were appalling at launch, one of the GrandTorismo games springs to mind, but I honestly can't remember if they were ever successfully patched into a great game, or a hastily made sequel was made.
Vice City was pretty bad for crashing.
https://www.looper.com/180303/overhyped-games-that-totally-flopped-this-last-decade/
are we adding cyberpunk 2077 to this list?
Cyberpunk had disaster written all over it , any game with this much delay is almost always a disaster - the pressure to release it and start earning revenue becomes too great and they release an unfinished mess.
The "big name" review sites who gave it high scores have a fair bit of explaining to do though.
I'd also like to mention rise of the robots - never has a game been hyped so much and deliver so little.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Robots
Eh? Can’t think of any launches 10 or more years apart.
That's a little unfair. Some of those "releases" were just refreshes, not new consoles. Absolutely no-one ran out and bought the new Xbox 360 S when they already had a 360.
You're also assuming everyone immediately runs to landfill as soon as the new shiny is available. Used hardware and retro gaming is big business, have you never been inside a Cash Converters? I took a PS1 and a PS2 to CEX last month and still have a PS3.
And Microsoft seemingly less than that if you had the red ring of death.
Oh come on. From your own list, that was a console from fifteen years ago.
Yeah Rise of the Robots that was a right mess.
Like I said it’s not the first to be a mess but it’s the first for Sony to say pull it from sales.
So are there any genuine bugs making the game unplayable, every press article seems to be the same gamer gaters screaming its unplayable as it doesnt reach 200fps.
It seems fine on my 5 year old PC, and my friend says its fine on xbox one!
Yeah Rise of the Robots that was a right mess.
That's just set me thinking. There was a similar PC game I think around the same time, a 2D beat-em-up a la MK/SF2. The premise was what looked like fighting robots but were supposedly giant mecha. I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called, does it ring any bells with anyone? IIRC one of the characters was called Chronos and had spheres for fists, I think another might have been a bit dog-like?
The PC version is pretty good but yes, they have royally ****ed up the console versions. I am really enjoying it still - my kind of game and much more open ended than some reviews would have you believe. For the PC I quite endorse the 7-8/10 scores even on my now middling spec PC (which to be fair is spec'd as much for workstation apps as it is gaming so don't need the latest GPU etc).
As I have said in a previous post at least CDPR have owned up to the mess and have done something about it. Be interesting to see if they can salvage the console versions - I hope so...
Some of those “releases” were just refreshes,
That’s a good point and one I’d picked up by putting brackets around the S versions in my list. But it’s still only 6 or 7 years between main versions.
Oh come on. From your own list, that was a console from fifteen years ago.
My intended to be flippant point was that if a 360 got the red ring of death outside warranty, Microsoft didn’t repair / replace, so you were the proud owner of a doorstop after less than 3 years. Sorry it didn’t come across more clearly.
The point on secondhand market is taken but the original post was in response to streaming being non-eco friendly though. The environmental resources to make, transport and run a console for 5, 10 or even 15 years would still exceed those used by streaming for the same period.
And as a novice gamer the fact I’ve only had to shell out £50 for a pretty good gaming experience is a win. I’m getting 4k gaming for a fraction of the total console or PC price. There may be compromises, but I’m happy with them, primarily because it looks amazing and I don’t have something the size of a beer fridge* under the TV running it.
Back on topic, I can’t see CDPR turning this round now though. The Cyberpunk brand is tainted, so launching the ‘proper’ PS5 version will be a very, very tough sell. And I wonder if MS will do the same and pull it from their store? At that point, pretty much game over.
Shame, and I hope it doesn’t deter other ambitious ideas from getting developed. It’s the hype and scale of the ambition behind Cyberpunk that got me to dip my toe in the gaming water, so I hope other projects continue to be bold.
*deliberate exaggeration 😉
I can’t see CDPR turning this round now though
I can. I think many people will settle into the game over Christmas and the initial bugs will eventually be forgotten (as long as they either withdraw or fix previous gen versions).
As someone who doesn't currently have time to play it, I'll still be looking forward to it next year.
So are there any genuine bugs making the game unplayable, every press article seems to be the same gamer gaters screaming its unplayable as it doesnt reach 200fps.
Yes. Random invisible walls, NPCs not spawning or spawning in the wrong place and getting stuck, vehicles exploding that you need to use for a mission, bad AI and broken missions in general. That’s not just consoles but yes some are having no issues.
My intended to be flippant point was that if a 360 got the red ring of death outside warranty, Microsoft didn’t repair / replace, so you were the proud owner of a doorstop after less than 3 years. Sorry it didn’t come across more clearly.
Yeah, I didn't get that, I just thought it was a dig. In which case yes, I agree, MS did handle that very badly when it was clearly a design flaw.
The point on secondhand market is taken but the original post was in response to streaming being non-eco friendly though.
Honestly, I filed that comment in my "abject bollocks" drawer and ignored it. Happy to be proven wrong but in isolation it's meaningless.
Something I wish I'd realised somewhere around the middle of 2016 is that statements presented as fact without any further evidence, authority or reference sources require an equal amount of no evidence whatsoever to dismiss out of hand. Would've saved me a lot of time, that.
julians
Full MemberThe “big name” review sites who gave it high scores have a fair bit of explaining to do though.
Not really- the previews and day 1 reviews were almost all on platforms that can actually run it. I mean, none of the releases have been entirely smooth but for a game like this that's understandable- it's the last-gens that have been disastrous.
On the one hand I kind of feel for cd projekt red, expectations were just ridiculously high... But there's absolutely no way that they thought they were releasing a good product for the last-gen consoles. At the very least they should have been resetting expectations but tbh the only really good option was to split the launches into pc/next gen now, and then last-gen if they ever get it to work well enough. But they've basically sought out a worst-case scenario where the entire launch gets tainted by the shit bits.
Not issuing review copies is game launch code for "we know this isn't good enough".
New trailer is out.
This is the funniest so far....
I’ve been playing it on the Xbox series x in quality mode and I’ve been really impressed with it. Not come across any bugs and once you turn some of the graphics settings off (motion blur, film grain, chromatic aberration) it looks superb.
I’ll be getting some more hours in the weekend but a great game so far
Finally managed to build a new PC and get a graphics card (3070 Founder's Edition) to run this and bought the game.
Now I'm 40 hours in and I must say I'm absolutely loving it.
I was expecting a little more netrunning/hacking/cyberware and a little less shooting so that's maybe a little disappointing, but what I wasn't expecting was the quality of the characters, script and plot.
I was expecting it to look amazing, but it still manages to astound with the density of the detail/grime/etc.
Up there with Breath of the Wild for me so far. My brother in law has clocked 160 hours on it and says he enjoyed every minute so a long way to go for me!
Does this game work/play well now?
I've got a Series S, I don't need 120fps, not with my old eyes anyway, but it might get me though the Merryneum.
I can only speak as a PC user but it works pretty well for me and I really enjoy it. Definitely much better than where it was and worth a punt if you can find it with some money off...
I bought it for £15 on the ps5 (ps4 version because the ps5 version still isnt out), it seems mostly stable, but my god the dialogue is clunky and the NPC's move like crappy animatronics on traintracks from the 90s .
Played it for a couple of hours and got bored- might pick it back up again over xmas
Does this game work/play well now?
I’ve got a Series S, I don’t need 120fps, not with my old eyes anyway, but it might get me though the Merryneum.
I played on a S. No massive problems, odd crash here or there but nothing that frustrated.
I enjoyed the game. Some side stuff was better than others, worth it if you can get cheap.