[Closed] Critique my shed design

How deep will the moat be?

Technically I think you'll find that's a butch wardrobe.

I'd have said, over built wardrobe.....

Have you priced "marine ply" yet? If not get ready! True marine ply is not required. Your diagonals are not needed and unless you're good with a saw/bevel etc you're not going to get nice tight joints. Personally if security is an issue I'd line it all with a 12mm ply then clad.
You don't want to cut timbers down for your roof like that, it will be a complete ballache and getting them all equal will be very tricky down the grain. Just make the rear elevation higher than the front.
Allow for either a gutter or roof overhang or you're gonna get water running back inside the gap around the doors.
HTH

Pictures look nice btw 😉

5thElefant - Member

Technically I think you'll find that's a butch wardrobe.

footflaps - Member

I'd have said, over built wardrobe.....

😆 😆 😆

That's a wardrobe!

You just need 4 posts for the corners, some sheets of marine ply and it will be completely rigid. Take 15 secs to cut it in half with one of these though:

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If Footflaps made wardrobes...

Go on humour me- how long did it take you to draw those....,

Probably could have built a perfectly adaquate shed in the time.

Last shed i was involved in was drawn on a post it.....

Could do with a drip across the front to divert rain water off to the side.

Last shed i was involved in was drawn on a post it...

Too much planning.

Only one way to build anything,
Make it up as you go along.

Double

Needed to help dan order the wood first - drawings are easier 🙂

Really nice drawings ( you don't need the diagonals the walls will sort out the bracing)

here are my detailed drawings for my next shed.

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I built this with less detailed drawings than yours 😉

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But It would have been a lot easier with them

Technically I think you'll find that's a butch wardrobe.

STW at its tea spitting best. I thank you.

Congratulations, you have designed a tool shed.

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available from Tesco or Argos

Line it with galvanised steel mesh.

Thanks everyone.

butch wardrobe.

I do have a degree in furniture design, and a very small garden.

numerous comments from wrightyson

Internal ply cladding is not a bad plan, I looked at raising the rear but angling the tops of the side panels confused me. I'll look again in more detail tomorrow. The front an rear of the roof are 15mm off the cladding, air gap and drip line combined.

Go on humour me- how long did it take you to draw those

Couple of hours at work this afternoon, including a bit of research into timber sizes and while redesigning the seating bowl of a stadium.

Line it with galvanised steel mesh.

Pffft! The man wants security.

OP, line it with wolverines.

Couple of hours at work this afternoon, including a bit of research into timber sizes and while redesigning the seating bowl of a stadium.

Maybe avoid shed distractions in the future and then you may get the seating bowl design right the first time 😉

are you building that around your 3 bikes? looks like a tight fit? just get stuck in.
secure it up with metal plates and some coach bolts

I do have a degree in furniture design,

Go on show us some of that !

Maybe avoid shed distractions in the future and then you may get the seating bowl design right the first time

Cheapskate contractors = value engineering. It was right first time, now it's a bit worse. 🙁

are you building that around your 3 bikes?

It's going to be tight inside but the will fit. Looking at the door opening again it might be impossible to get the bikes in though. 😳

Build it round the size of sheets of ply.. makes it easy for sizes and measurements once you throw away the fancy pants plans

Go on show us some of that !

Unfortunately that was 15 years ago, it's been buildings ever since.

It's designed around maximum 1.8m lengths

Nice drawings. It's not very secure as it has no door though.

600mm depth? I'm struggling to see how you'll get more than one bike deep in that, and it doesn't look tall enough for stacking two, let alone the three you mention. Asgard metal sheds are apparently a tight fit for three,and they're 3' deep & 6' wide without the loss of space of 2" & 3" beams/spars.

It's over engineered a tad (though from an anti theft POV no bad thing) an i fear not big enough, You will need more depth - which I assume is unavailabe?

The depth is somewhat tight, but with front wheels out, pedals off, bars turned and a bit of topping and tailing and it should be fine.

huws - Member
I do have a degree in furniture design,

Go on show us some of that !
Unfortunately that was 15 years ago, it's been buildings ever since.

Where did you study? I was at Bucks 15 years ago...

Does it have to be a straight rectangle : ie could the bottom be wider than the top ? that's the beauty of building yourself you can use all the available space and design it around what need to go in in it.

Edit: just saying as I am trying to fit an office into a garage that needs to take sports car, so some the desk in the office will be hollow to make room for the boot of the car on the other side of the wall.

Where did you study? I was at Bucks 15 years ago

Snap! Graduated from the furniture and related product design course in '98 🙂

Does it have to be a straight rectangle

Yep. There's only really one place for it. I had considered a roughly triangular one squeezed into an odd corner but the existing flowerbed has since been developed so that's out now.

I can barely be bothered taking wheels off after a ride... you'll be staking the bikes up indoors 🙂

Just make the shed bigger or make a shed for each bike

Can't the door go at the end of the shed? That would save you having to force the bikes round 90 degrees...

My latest shed/garden re-design has started life like this.

I'll do something more detailed/open plan to calculate timber required and play around with the design from there. Will probably use 3x2 for the frame (and use less timber than your design ^^) 😉

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This is my bike shed:

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Built with no plans. It has a load bearing roof and lives in the workshop:

It has shelves and more storage on top of it:

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Line with fibre glass insulation and chicken-wire stapled to the inside of the ply. That will defeat reciprocating saws et c.

APF

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You did Google Morrison Shelter before you started though 🙂

I have a new shed today.
Budget and space dictates it is only just big enough, and steel. 🙁

I've simplified WARDROBEZILLA slightly. Clear internal depth is now 650mm and the door opening is approx 1450mm.

Feel free to take the piss.

Base now sits on semi buried concrete blocks with one central post concreted in for stability.
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50 x 50mm frame with 75 x 75mm door post and lintel. 50 x 50mm roof joists at 400mm centres.
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9mm WBP ply cladding. 18mm floor and shelf.
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TGV cladding. doors 25 x 100mm frame, 9mm ply then clad. Roof 18mm ply with felt covering, drip lines front and rear, air gaps all round.
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Thanks all.

Maybe build a scale model out of matchsticks.. those artsy wardrobe computerised images are a bit confusing

Needs a woodburner and a breadmaker

Is that guest accommodation on the mezzanine?

Nope, still a wardrobe

Won't the shelf prevent you fitting in the detached front wheels?

[armchairengineersecurityexpert]how are the doors going to lock, seems like they will lock to each other which seems less secure than against a more solid wall[/armchairengineersecurityexpert]

Drlex - perhaps but it'll be better for hat boxes and photo albums

Needs a dinosaur and double decker bus in there for scale.

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Is that guest accommodation on the mezzanine?

Won't the shelf prevent you fitting in the detached front wheels?

[armchairengineersecurityexpert]how are the doors going to lock, seems like they will lock to each other which seems less secure than against a more solid wall[/armchairengineersecurityexpert]

If I was keeping bikes in there I'd replace the wooden support bit with right angle steel sections, which would make cutting into it / crowbarring it apart much harder. Wood is pretty easy to defeat with battery powered power tools, you can just cut round all the locks with a jigsaw in seconds.....

I figure you need to protect against 3types of attackers.

1: opportunist noseys. Needs to be solid enough to withstand a kicking. No windows so no clues as to contents.

2: tooled up noseys. Door needs to withstand a crowbar. Locks need to be protected from chisel attacks. They are still opening it up just to see.

3: people after your bikes. Equiped to remove the door. No amount of wood will stop them. Rely on them not bringing an angle grinder and get a big, tool steel security chain.

If someone wants in and has basic tools they will get in. The chain stops them wandering off with your bike when they do.

Most common tool of entry is a spade or fork borrowed from a neighbour's unlocked shed. Thieves don't carry crowbars in case they get stopped. I've seen a few doors taken off their hinges with a spade...

Could you not set a massive anchor coming tbrough the floor for the real security and the shed becomes a deterant?

Can you put a sign on it saying no bikes kept in wardrobe over night?

Can you put a sign on it saying no bikes kept in wardrobe over night?

🙂

or "cash kept in mattress, leave this wardrobe alone"

Can you put a sign on it saying no bikes kept in wardrobe over night?

actuLOL

The shed will only ever be a deterrent.

It being London the garden is small and overlooked with no direct access from the road. I’m hoping that a trellis on top of a rickety fence with roses growing on it should keep out most opportunists. If they’re so determined to have got that far they’ll then have to contend with a (hopefully) well-made wardrobe, a ground anchor concreted in underneath, an almax chain and some part dismantled bikes. There will likely be a cheap sacrificial bike kept lightly locked in the garden too.

I’m looking at revision 3 now that has a wider single door.

What you really need is decoys in the garden, I recommend a couple of bedside tables and a standard lamp.

4stick you clothes in there and keep your bikes inyour bedroom.

The only way I'd fit 3 bikes in there, is if Narnia was behind a coat.

You'd get all five of these in there, and still have room for the hatboxes, photo albums and a few copies of Razzle:

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As it seems to be shed week on STW I thought I should update my outdoor wardrobe thread now it's finished.

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And for all those who doubted 3 bikes would fit. I YOUR FACES! 18mm to spare on the length and at least 50mm on the width. 😀

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You go want a diagonal on that door though otherwise it will drop.

Marvellous, but I'd recommend getting some locks....

I'm thinking about a shed to house a motorbike and this has given me some food for thought, so thanks for that!

You go want a diagonal on that door though otherwise it will drop.

Is it really likely to drop? It's a single sheet of OSB. Although that sounds sarcastic it is a serious question.

Marvellous, but I'd recommend getting some locks....

Locks are in but hidden in the joints between the cladding.

I built this with less detailed drawings than yours

Hi Konabunny

YHM

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Hi Konabunny

YHM

My wooden house

Must cost a fortune in varnish 😉

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Not as much as it looks Jamie, believe it or not we don't bother varnishing the fire engine ( anymore )