[Closed] Cripes - 660 arrested suspected of accessing indecent images of children.

What is this "dark web" anyway

It sounds like some bitcoin fuelled cesspit

You have to wonder whether we're just getting to grips with an age-old problem, or whether such activities are proliferating with the internet...

Problem is there's no way of properly measuring it and the media aren't likely to report on it responsibly so I don't think we'll ever really know

What is this "dark web" anyway?!? I hear about it all the time but genuinely have no idea what it is other than what's been described in reports.

Basically any of the web that's hidden away (and not on Google) - it sounds a bit sinister, but it can also include totally legitimate business networks (for example).

sexy offenders register.

I know it's not a funny topic, but heh @ typo.

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Corrected.

What is this "dark web" anyway?!?

It's one of the terms which will be used to legitimise the narrowing/restricting/censorship of the internet.

What is this "dark web" anyway?

rocket jr has been learning about it at school. Different browsers an' all sorts, proppa stealth like

deep web <> dark web

It's one of the terms which will be used to legitimise the narrowing/restricting/censorship of the internet.

Indeed. Quite hard to demonise something called the Sparkly Unicorn Web.

Interesting tweet from Mark Williams Thomas, who broke the story on Jimmy Savile:

Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas

Jon Taylor @Besafe_Online on @SkyNews explaining that today's operation was Peer2Peer based - led by software forces have had for years

Peadogeddon!

If you use TOR or log in to the web via a proxy server for whatever reason you will effectively be using the dark net. You are basically using the web as anonymously as you can. IP addresses are pretty much untraceable and your browsing etc cannot be (easily if at all) traced back to you.

There are legitimate reasons to access the internet this way but as per above the media slant that only those using the web for wrong use the dark net just demonises legitimate users.

Must've taken a huge amount of resources to co-ordinate; wonder how many officers are investigating the MP paedo rings?

Genuinely laugh out loud jambourgie

Genuinely laugh out loud jambourgie

Thanks to the wonderful Chris Morris I should add 🙂

Lass I worked with said it was writhe in the poor/deprived part of Manchester where she grew up- Uncles etc being inappropriate towards (girls) children.

I say 660 is **** all. Plenty more of them. They just haven't been caught yet.

writhe

freudian slip, or were they all wiggling around covered in oil? Or did you mean "rife"?

I'm a jaded copper and a couple of years ago I went on a specialist training course around the internet, devices etc. I was stunned how rife (!) it is. The police are only scratching the surface and could quadruple the size of specialist teams and still have a backlog of work.

I spent 2 years working in Professional Standards- this was my last job

http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/9031636.PC_jailed_over_indecent_images_of_children/

IMHO his sentence was too lenient; the starting point for a large number of level 4 images is 12 months, where case law has "large" as being something like 50. He had 200 level 4, plus all the aggravating factors of being in a position of trust, entering peoples homes etc. He got the absolute minimum they could get away giving him, with 30% off for an early guilty plea.

Levels refer to the SAP scale from R V Oliver, I'd rather link it than type out on here what it means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COPINE_scale

One of my sisters ran the child protection unit in her local force for 3 years.

I'm surprised she's still the same person, tbh.

Expect to see Tor getting outlawed here soon :-/

Expect to see Tor getting outlawed here soon :-/

Has it grown since the internet? I say no. Its just provided more sharing opportunities/more avenues to explore. You can't 'change' a normal person into a paedo. Its an in-built sickness.

Back when we were children (70/early 80's) it was literally hammered into us about paedo's with puppies/bags of sweets or cars pulling over asking us to get in/have a lift.

Back when we were children (70/early 80's) it was literally hammered into us about paedo's with puppies/bags of sweets or cars pulling over asking us to get in/have a lift.

True, but is it (in real life) any more/less prevelent now?

Its an in-built sickness

I'm not apollogising for them, but there's large parts of the world where the Ann Summers catalogue would be considered imoral and getting your rocks off from that sort of thing a sickness.

[i]it was literally hammered into us about paedo's[/i]

It wasn't.

[i] with puppies/bags of sweets or cars pulling over asking us to get in/have a lift. [/i]

that's not how 99.9% of men gain access to children.

In Hora's street, earlier

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I would agree the internet has made it easier for those that want it to access rather than "turned" people.

I actually find the area interesting and would love to be able to study offenders. Rather than the simplistic tabloid "evil" depiction I think theres a lot more to it, based around things like emotional development. I arrested one guy in his 70s who'd written a story about eloping with a 3 year old and marrying her - no sexual fantasies involved. An otherwise intelligent functioning adult, how or why was that a fantasy?

This doesnt mean I'm defending it or saying they shouldnt be criminalised or detained, just that I think its a much more complex and deeper issue than simply being "evil" or a "dirty perv".

I'm surprised she's still the same person, tbh.

they do a lot of regular psych assessment and welfare stuff, and tend to tenure the posts.

that's not how 99.9% of men gain access to children.

it's not, but it [i]was[/i] how stranger danger was taught to us in the 70s (I'm same age as Hora) which I believe was his point.

[quote=dannybgoode ]There are legitimate reasons to access the internet this way

Indeed - I use proxies to scrape OS mapping, what could be more legit than that?

People use Tor to buy recreational drugs as well allegedly. Because our glorious government sees fit to criminalise recreational drug use. 'The Silk Road' for example is only accessible through Tor. It's also used for free speech in countries where the internet is heavily censored.

Not just mega-peados that use it.

It wasn't.

You missed all the government information ads on tv, radio and talks in school then.

Given the volume of these big operations to catch individuals who download child pornography and the apparent success the Police seem to have in catching perpetrators i'm surprised that these individuals don't destroy their computers, phones etc and dump them in the ocean. Aren't they terrified that they are more or less caught if they've ever downloaded this stuff?

[i]You missed all the government information ads on tv, radio and talks in school then. [/i]

So someone walked up and hit you with a hammer to get the message across?

If not it wasn't 'literally' hammered into you.

do the police still go into schools and talk about this kind of stuff these days?

i remember police coming into school a few times when i was a kid in the 70's - telling us to keep away from strangers and not to get into cars etc.

just wondering....i'm guessing not given how low on resources they are.

i'm surprised that these individuals don't destroy their computers, phones etc and dump them in the ocean.

And then what..? Turn a new leaf?

I suspect that most people who go to such lengths to obtain pornography of this type have serious issues, and throwing it all away wouldn't be as simple as you'd think.

do the police still go into schools and talk about this kind of stuff these days?

Yes very much so, and teachers do lots of lessons and have lots of training on safeguarding, including using the internet etc.

So someone walked up and hit you with a hammer to get the message across?

Village I grew up in Wales we were warned about a bloke, don't go anywhere with him, don't go to his house etc. no idea if he was dangerous but we gave him a wide berth.

was he english ?

Excellent news. The police focused on individuals access pornographic images of children online. One doctor had 1 million indecent images on his computer. I fully support the police in their use of the internet in tracking down these people. The police need more powers to access internet / mobile usage. We need to send a clear message that if you do this sort of thing you will be caught.

😀 @ JY

One doctor had 1 million indecent images on his computer.

😯 One million!

Village I grew up in Wales we were warned about a bloke, don't go anywhere with him, don't go to his house etc. no idea if he was dangerous but we gave him a wide berth.

It seemed like there was one of those blokes in every other street growing up in the seventies. When we were about 10 me and a couple of friends got flashed by a bloke in the local park, we did what any right thinking ten year old would do. We shouted pervert and threw stones at him.

Village I grew up in Wales we were warned about a bloke, don't go anywhere with him, don't go to his house etc. no idea if he was dangerous but we gave him a wide berth.

We had that too. Probably just because he was an albino, lived on his own and looked a bit weird. I wonder how many innocent people get accused of noncery because they've got an overgrown privet hedge? I estimate one million!

Local police and pcso still visit schools and cub/brownie units in our village.

I suspect the web has made it easier for these people to get images etc. MrsMC works in child protection, stranger danger is still less of a risk than family, especially wider extended families.

I met a criminologist once who investigated this area. He was fascinating and terrifying to talk to all at the same time, like rubbernecking a car crash

Interesting fact... The Tor network was developed by the US Navy to help people communicate from areas/countries where censorship/monitoring makes it difficult to get information out and still gets about 70% of its funding from the US government.

Just because something is used for bad purposes, does not mean that it is inherently bad.

wwaswas, if you are going to be a pedant, be a good one 😉

(hammer something in/into) Inculcate something forcefully or repeatedly:
[i]'a commercial image that was hammered into English consciousness'[/i]

Oddly I was thinking of starting to use TOR by way of protest against the DRIP nonsense that seems to be rushing our way.

It wasn't.
You missed all the government information ads on tv, radio and talks in school then.

So someone walked up and hit you with a hammer to get the message across?