[Closed] Criminal records for those that attend parties in lockdown

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I think they should be flogged naked through the streets then put in the stocks then pelted with rotten fruit and veg

That'll learn 'em

Why don’t the police dish out criminal records to those that attend parties etc< award massive contracts to their mates with no tendering process/blockquote>

 

I'm astonished we've not had a covid thread yet.

Probably become a badge of honour to the relevant population, just like ASBOs. Unlikely to ever have a job where a clean record is required.

Come to think of it didnt Corbyn get caught at one (Tier breech not national lockdown breech)

If we gave them criminal records it would make it much easier when it comes time to hang them.

i love that you assume you are on the right side of the police state you want to usher in.

Why don’t the police dish out criminal records to those that attend partiesspeed in cars etc instead of a poxy fine of £200 £60, most of the time people aren’t being fined.

To my mind..

Anything by Britney Spears.

Criminal CD's too

Same way most traffic offences don't result in a criminal record

Why don’t the police dish out criminal records to those that [s] attend parties etc [/s]  cycle on pavements instead of a poxy fine, most of the time people aren’t being fined.

I’m astonished we’ve not had a covid thread yet.

Good point.

And let's just have one bike thread as well, to save any further duplication.

Or we could have the Bike forum and the Covid & Brexit forum.

I’d support frozen sausages in the the front lawn of those who attend party’s and reserve dry bumming for the organisers.

Party at mine anyone...

Why don’t the police dish out criminal records to those that attend parties etc instead of a poxy fine of £200, most of the time people aren’t being fined.

First and foremost, the Police can't just hand out criminal records, courts can, and there court procedures called CJP which are very quick, but still take valuable court time. Anyone being fined now will have recorded on their Police Record.

The courts are currently massively back-logged, horribly, horribly so. People on remand, who are 'technically' or otherwise innocent at the moment, are being given court dates 18 months to 2 years from their first appearance in court.

Covid is spreading like wildfire in Prisons and remand centres at the moment, okay some people might say "serve them right" but a Prison Officer I know and his Wife have both caught Covid and had a very rough time with it. They're having a nightmare keeping prisons staffed and under control as even staff who've had it, still need to isolate when they come into contact with someone with covid, staff or prisoner. More court cases, equals more back-log, more innocent people (and yes guilty ones) held for years without conviction, more Prison staff getting ill etc etc.

Add into the mix public opinion, whilst STW seem mostly very pro-lockdown, amongst the general public more people are increasingly fed up with it, the more Heavy Handed the Police are with it, the more public opinion will turn against them, and lockdowns etc.

We should also never forget that, Teenagers and people in their early 20s (which most of them are) are arguably the most "inconvenienced" by Covid, to them a year seems like an eternity and they are very unlikely to know of any of their peers who've gotten even mildly ill with it. To quote someone on Twitter from back in the summer "Don't forget young people, the Generation that brought you Brexit and Austerity, the only politics you've known since you were old enough to read, needs you to put your life on hold to prevent them getting sick from an illness that has almost no chance of hurting you". That's not to say I condone the parties, but equally I wouldn't suggest handing out career ending criminal records to young people because they went to an illegal party after 12 months of social restrictions.

I think they should be flogged naked through the streets then put in the stocks then pelted with rotten fruit and veg

Ah, for the days when 'community-based punishments' meant something. 🙂

A handy use for all the produce currently rotting at the docks. There you go, a Brexit win for you!

So how do you think the person with a criminal record who can’t get a decent job is going to finance their lifestyle?

You basically turn someone doing something stupid in their younger years (likely an ordinary kid from the suburbs who would have otherwise gone into normal productive employment) into someone that will kick down your garage to steal your bike (Best case). All this while stopping the police dealing with real criminals.

Doesn’t sound like a good idea to me but what do I know...

Or we could have the Bike forum and the Covid & Brexit forum.

Not the worst idea tbh. Keep the chat forum free of that stuff so I can pretend it’s not happening.

And let’s just have one bike thread as well, to save any further duplication.

You can't simply lump analogue and ebikes into one thread. There will be all kinds of upset and possibly fisticuffs.

They should remove all windows, doors and utilities from their houses for six months. That’ll teach ‘em.

I think P-Jay explained it well - but also, faced with the prospect of a criminal conviction you can imagine more people fighting it in court either because they believe they are technically not guilty or because they hope they will be! Further inequality probably also creeps in because an affluent teenager who’s parents understand the implications of a criminal record may well be willing to throw hundreds or thousands to protect their future whilst a poor kid may not be able to restricting their chances of getting out of the spiral of social inequality.

However the fact you are asking the question means the media is winning! They’ve made you think the covid spreading issue is caused by young people partying. The stats tell a different story: https://www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

Look at the cases by age (and especially if you select to plot per 100000 in the pop).

Look at the cases by age (and especially if you select to plot per 100000 in the pop).

Just to throw the alternative view in for discussion:
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There being no real consequences for breaking lockdown (by which I mean just a small fine rather than spreading the virus around and potentially killing lots of people) means that people are more inclined to risk breaking the rules, hence increasing the spread and keeping the situation going far longer than necessary to the detriment of everyone.
More serious consequences (and a knowledge that they would probably be caught and the penalties applied, which is a whole other matter) would vastly reduce the piss-taking and it will all be over far sooner.

andrewh
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More serious consequences (and a knowledge that they would probably be caught and the penalties applied, which is a whole other matter) would vastly reduce the piss-taking and it will all be over far sooner.

TBH it's the "getting caught" which is the trick. And that's hard to change. If you have a low risk of getting caught but a high punishment, most people will still not be deterred and if anything it just ends up being obviously unfair.

But catching rule breakers is the hard part

don’t know if this has stood up, but in the early days of the pandemic I read that YP were much more likely to be asymptomatic – so if that’s the case, or they simply haven’t bothered getting a test because a couple of days in bed sorts them out, then they won’t have been added to the stats – which show recorded cases, not actual total cases.

Its one of those areas no one can really claim any hard facts, but whilst asymptomatic transmission is a thing, and certainly an area that can cause 'hidden' transmission. Asymptomatic people will transmit the virus to significantly less people. Not none, but significantly less. As the symptoms themselves (coughing and sweating) are the main ways it gets out of the body.

There also two types of "asymptomatic" transmission, people who truly are asymptomatic, and those who are just yet to develop symptoms - the BMJ think you're contagious for about 2 days before symptoms, and 7 days after, but you're most contagious whilst you're ill. "A city-wide prevalence study of almost 10 million people in Wuhan found no evidence of asymptomatic transmission"

Also, as the pandemic has progressed, the projected number of asymptomatic carriers has been reduced. In the early days they thought it could be as high as 80%, but as more studies have been completed it thought to be between 17%-20%, I think the latest Government radio ads are saying "one in three" so 33%. The sad truth is that, if it was indeed 80%, it's likely that Covid would be pretty much over in Wales, it would have run out of first-time carriers to infect by now.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

We should also never forget that, Teenagers and people in their early 20s (which most of them are) are arguably the most “inconvenienced” by Covid, to them a year seems like an eternity and they are very unlikely to know of any of their peers who’ve gotten even mildly ill with it

I keep hearing this, but the vast and overwhelming majority of the teenagers and young adults I know through my own kids and youth groups we're involved with are just putting their heads down and getting on with it to try and get it over with. It seems to be the adults complaining about how tough it is for them rather the young people themselves.

But I agree, a criminal record for a breach of Rule 1 is a bit harsh. Persistent breaches get tougher penalties and presumably hit a criminal record at some point?

The criminal justice system was in a huge mess before this crisis. Like every other public service destroyed by austerity, it will take a huge amount of time, resources and staffing to enable it to recover