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Wow! That's low, even for you. Nice time to try and make political gain
Just pointing out the obvious, namely that EU are total f-whits. None of the real leaders of Europe have made any such idiotic statements have they ? Why is the EU even making a comment, answer they think theynare a state and the body that speaks for all of Europe
@kimbers yes shooting has started. Very messy
This is the movement thought b to be behind the coup
Sky have said thats blatant propaganda from Erdogan
Mosques asking people to take to the streets in support of erdogan.
None of the real leaders of Europe have made any such idiotic statements have they ?
Who are the real leaders of Europe and who's made an idiotic statement?
Gunfire in Istanbul - Sky News
I knew i should have stocked up on Turkish delight. Going to be a shortage now
Nice. A nation is descending into chaos and inevitable bloodshed, yet the Usual Suspects* are on here joking about it as though it's just a game.
*Jambalaya (surprise surprise), Ninfan etc.
Isn't it so good that we live in such a safe, well-protected society, where such a thing would never happen?
The West is tearing itself apart. This is only the beginning.
The West is tearing itself apart. This is only the beginning.
What does that mean?
Nothing. It's complete nonsense. Usual clodhopper dogshit.
Just watching flighttracker and there's a flight from Berlin still heading into Istanbul
hora - Member
No he WAS popular post-before he stayed on in power and became less moderate.
A Dr I work with was back there visiting family recently
According to him
Erdogan's immensely popular with some, especially the working class, economy is doing very well, low unemployment.
The middle class resent the corruption, media restrictions, religious rise etc
but the infrastructure improvements in Turkey have been huge, erdogan may have stolen power but hes overseen a huge boom time. New Power stations, roads, water etc all across the country
It was in the context of Johnson and Gove using Turkish criminal immigrants a a scare tactic in the EU debate, many turks found this very offensive as it was well publicised there and many felt they were doing well outside the EU, why leave a country with 5‰ growth and come here.!
Tbh I see this more related to the destabilising crisis in Syri, Iraq etc there's been a string of bombings in Turkey Erdogan has had no answer to this
I'm sure you know better tho
that EU are total f-whits
don't worry, we're sending in Boris to calm everything down with some buffoonery
"What does that mean?"
Open your eyes.
"Nothing. It's complete nonsense. Usual clodhopper dogshit."
Because of course you've offered so much insight and knowledge of what's actually going on. None of us here truly know what is actually happening in Turkey right now, but don't let that stop anyone from posting 'light-hearted banter' about it, eh?
Because I've posted loads of light hearted banter haven't I?
Erdo's courtship of the EU is purely commercial. He is more east looking than west, that is immediately obvious so the whole "west is eating itself" is inflammatory bollocks by someone butthurt based on the fact that a recent vote didn't go his/her way.
From that Reddit link it looks like someone has opened fire on unarmed protestors. Not looking good.
I did like the clip of the guys beating the crap out the tank with sticks.
Less so the tracer fire with kids playing in the park below (below shot, not actually nearby)
Open your eyes.
What is this, some sort of cryptic game?
If you are going to post something say what you mean.
My eyes are wide open but I don't know what you mean by [i]"the West is tearing itself apart".[/i]
Nor do I know what you mean by [i]"This is only the beginning"[/i] the beginning of what?
If you don't want to explain what you mean then why even mention it?
"so the whole "west is eating itself" is inflammatory bollocks by someone butthurt based on the fact that a recent vote didn't go his/her way."
Wow. Is that really how narrow your mind is?
Have a look around for a moment. Take a second to consider the exponential rise in far-right extremism in Europe over the last decade. Look at how our own government have pushed a xenophobic rhetoric recently. Consider the murder of an elected MP by an individual with direct links to far-right terrorist groups. Take into account the backlash by individuals from particular cultural minority communities. Then think about Ukraine, Russia, the rise of the far-right in Hungary, Austria etc.
And you're reducing this to the Brexit vote?
Idiot.
Apparently the Turkish Army's only duty is to the nation is very separate from the Government, Ataturk's tomb is inscribed with the instruction for the Army to preserve the secularist nature of Turkey. The big question is how widespread support for this is in the Army.
Consider the murder of an elected MP by an individual with direct links to far-right terrorist groups.
This proves that the West is tearing itself apart or that the attempted coup in Turkey is only the beginning?
Just heard from a Turkish friend who has managed to speak to his family in Istanbul and apparently they are all over the moon that this is happening. Erodgan is a very divisive figure who is trying to bring in tighter Islamic control while the growing majority of Turkey are wanting to integrate more with the west.
Women in Turkey are especially turning against him with his rhetoric that woman are't equal to men etc.
Istanbul is very Western compared to much of Turkey
Looks as if the coup is failing.
"This proves that the West is tearing itself apart or that the attempted coup in Turkey is only the beginning?"
To be honest, the West has been slowly tearing itself apart for some time. That process has accelerated somewhat, recently. The current 'coup' attempt isn't actual the 'beginning', so I apologise for being somewhat disingenuous. But it does suggest the potential for similar to happen across Europe, as nations become more divided and societies more polarised.
Turkish friends have been expressing dissatisfaction and anger at what has been happening in Turkey for some time now. It was inevitable that such a coup would happen eventually, but the fear is that the wrong groups might that the opportunity in seizing power in the vacuum left by the potentially outgoing regime. It remains to be seen what will come of today's events, and sadly it's inevitable that innocent people will suffer.
Why all the high explosives being lobbed around if this is so one sided? Suspect the airforce have decided to bomb elements of the Turkish army.
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looking like a pretty weak coup tbh.
Just watched Erdogans plane land in the middle of it all on flight tracker!
Madness!
Weak Coup? Someone just attempted to kill as many Islamist politicians as possible.
https://twitter.com/thevocaleurope?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Just saw the outside view of that explosion in their government building, a jet roared overhead just before and during the bangy bit.
God knows whats going on.
Have a look at the post before that yin, people disarming tanks.
Anyhow, i'm off to my kip. I'd have a guess this will be over by the time i'm up. If it isn't fair do's but I'm no cheerleading it.
I have no idea who's winning or losing or who's right or wrong but I don't want to find myself on the opposing side from that dude that's fighting a tank with his bare hands.
Tankers have been dragged out before by crowds - British guys were in Iraq if I remember correctly. Doesn't tell you anything, most soldiers won't fire on civies until they really have to.
Seems like part of the army went all fighty quite suddenly and without warning and now everyones trying to work out who is on whos side.
https://twitter.com/ask1907com?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Jeez, second video down. Just openly strafing protestors with cannon fire.
Part of me thought this was a setup by Erdogan, as he managed to fly in to Istanbul whilst gunships and fighter jets were shooting the place up.
But
BREAKING: Turkish fighter jets have taken off to shoot down coup-aligned jets and helicopters
and
BREAKING: Erdogan says Turkey is fighting a second war of independence
Zero to all out civil war in less than 24 hours. The Turks are mad.
False flag innit
Civilians over run tanks at airport
Looks like Erdogan is back in charge, for now
Nice to see people can make light of what could be another night of violence and bloodshed. Stay classy.
As I said and turned out to be correct; sixty casualties, mostly civilians.
Bloody hilarious.
As I said and turned out to be correct; sixty casualties, mostly civilians.
Point to squirrelking. 😐
Crazy night.
Civilian govt back in control. Can't say I'm massively hopeful TBH
Just flew out at 16:00 Turkish time after working there, so quite interesting to me. Odd to land in Munich to here a coup just started!
That was a pretty poor coup attempt, obviously didn't do their homework on how much backing there was for it.
squirrelking - Member
Nice to see people can make light of what could be another night of violence and bloodshed. Stay classy.
As I said and turned out to be correct; sixty casualties, mostly civilians.
Bloody hilarious.
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Go you. Not sure if looking glum about crap that's happening every other day helps though.
Hmm - I'm near the Turkish border on my motorbike, trying to decide what to do. Looks like I'll be hanging out here for a couple of days to see how the situation develops.
Rachel
Make your own mind up but all reports here are saying it's over, expect minor skirmishes.
allthegear - Member
Hmm - I'm near the Turkish border on my motorbike, trying to decide what to do. Looks like I'll be hanging out here for a couple of days to see how the situation develops.
Feel free to start a let's see your motorbike travel photo thread.
Zero to all out civil war in less than 24 hours
now everyones trying to work out who is on whos side.
that's pretty much the outcome of trying to overthrow any government n'est pas?
every side always seems to assume that they are more popular than they are
Hmm - I'm near the Turkish border on my motorbike, trying to decide what to do. Looks like I'll be hanging out here for a couple of days to see how the situation develops.
Would suggest staying put obviously. Friends in Club Med have been told to stay in the hotel/resort by local and French governments.
Looks like the coup is going to fail. 10th attempt in 60 years I read.
Deputy PM Müezzino?lu says gov't will discuss bringing back death penalty for coup plotters.
😐
I wonder if they went to Mark Thatcher for advice?
gov't will discuss bringing back death penalty for coup plotters
Turkey's ratified Protocol No 13 to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, concerning the abolition of the death penalty in all circumstances - interesting times ahead at the COE <sigh>
Go you. Not sure if looking glum about crap that's happening every other day helps though.
Yeah I guess.
Riddle me this where's a Nice place to go for a beach holiday that may not be so nice?
Hohohoho
Yeah people dying is pretty bloody funny, how about a car bomb joke revival, they've kinda died a death since the IRA downed tools huh?
Upbeat enough for you? Or pretty bloody distasteful/disrespectful?
Worth noting that it was only in 1974 that democracy was established in Portugal affer a military coup
Looks very much like the coup is coming to an end
Worth noting that it was only in 1974 that democracy was established in Portugal affer a military coup
What's worth noting about it ?
Turkey is nothing like Portugal in 1974, for a start Turkey isn't a dictatorship - it's governed by a party which very easily won the last general and presidential elections with increased support.
I think you're getting carried away with your support for coups to make the suggestion of a similarity between Portugal 1974 and Turkey 2016.
it's governed by a party which very easily won the last general and presidential elections with increased support.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/02/turkeys-elections-campaign-unfair-say-international-monitors ]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/02/turkeys-elections-campaign-unfair-say-international-monitors[/url]
That democracy in certain countries is much more recent than many realise. Erdogen is trying to turn Turkey into a much more fundamentalist country, one with him in charge and much less democratic. He is taking the country on a journey to being a dictatorship
I assume you followed the elections and the crackdown on the press, facebook, twitter etc
Reports of lynching of soldiers who took part in coup and one beheading.
Coups succeed because of apathy, as soon as people came onto the streets it was likely to fail.
No one is claiming that Erdogan is some sort of liberal and not autocratic, but the Turkish government has clearly been elected. And by a margin wide - 50% of the vote, twice that of its nearest rival, that even with reports of violence and intimidation the mandate isn't disputable.
The US president urged [i]"support for the democratically elected civilian government."[/i] Which it obviously is, however flawed its democratic process might be.
There is no comparison with Portugal 1974.
This wasn't even a secularist coup was it, but infighting between Islamists (Gulen and Erdogan). That's why it failed, they didn't have the support of anyone.
So it would appear that when our parties engage in infighting, they call each other names - when Islamists do it they start killing each other with cobra gunships and tanks at the first sign of trouble.
Yeah, puts the fallout from Brexit in perspective.
From what I was hearing of their statement they forced a news presenter at gunpoint to announce, they objected to secular democracy. That smacks of a group wanting a strict religious order in control. Turkey then becomes an extension of Syria, Iraq and Iran.
Which is what Erdogan wants as well, a return to the Ottoman empire.
The secularists condemned the coup, so it does look like infighting between the crazies.
It's all a bit too easy this coup. I wonder if it's all a cunning plan to get rid of certain elements.
Surely it can't that possible to misjudge the mood of the people, so much?
I reckon some people have been played the fool, big time.
As others have mentioned it's the perfect scenario for Erdogan to push through his agenda and i wouldn't be surprised if he knew about it beforehand, all to convenient for a mass cull of judges and those opposed to his policy
it was a staged coup
even the Guardian are suggesting this
Staged. 160 dead ? That would be pretty cynical even for Erdogan.
Its going to be very messy now and devastating for tourism, I'm struggling to think it was staged.
Friends are stuck as no flights for them back today. Strange extra day or two's holiday
dont we have a resident conspiracy theory specialist to tell us the truth
IF it was staged, it won't have been directly staged, Erdogan wil have prodded the right people and planted false intelligence with the right people to convince them to try it.
I think they were Gullens supporters, we know that Islamism gives people the justification to kill easily, I suspect Erdogan knew they were upto something and prodded them into it. That or Erdogan and Gullen are working together again.
Why is it stranger to kill to depose someone, than to consolidate power?
Tom, you are a complete fanny. I don't think I even have to point out why.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
It has historical precedent doesn't it?
I think that Erdogan is repugnant enough to kill hundreds to further his own goals. I wouldn't normally think such thoughts, but he's up there with Pinochet and Tito for general nastiness.