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Repeat ad nauseam.
Anyone else getting this pop up on every page? Site is rendered unusable on mobile, irritating on tablet.
Nope,I never do site visits on a Friday 😉
Never?
ever
Never ever?
I blame Trump.
61 privacy and information share opt outs 🤦♀️🤣💥💥🤩
Thats a lot of clicking, but I had the time to do it.
Once you’ve completed the first category, don’t click “continue to site” because there are 4 more categories to go through. Just hit “back” and continue until all categories are complete.. then “continue to site”
Some privacy & information check boxes are marked “require opt out” which means you need to go to the site to do that.
Seems worthwhile if you have the time, but the slider buttons are small and on an iPhone or iPad you need to be dexterous and make sure they slide left and go grey.
Yep, done all that. Still stuck with the pop up form the bottom of the page.
Seems worthwhile if you have the time
Why is it worthwhile?
What is this about? I'm not seeing anything asking me to continue...
It’s GDPR ad privacy options. You get to choose if you want targeted ads or not.
If if you choose to opt out then the value of the ads you see will be less and random. We will earn less for the site.
Clicking ‘take me to site’ opts you in to personalised ads which we earn more money from.
Im not sure the intention of GDPR was to kick publishers in the balls but it is the reality.
I have no problem with Ad revenue, never have. You have to make money to run the site, that is absolutely your right.
To save all the hassle, why not have an “uncheck all” button on top of each category? There is a “check all” so clearly the journey makes you take the time to uncheck all yourself, or more detailed interrogation would lead to what end all these 60 odd multi EU/Global companies do with all the clickbait data because not all are ad revenue companies as I’ve been given invesigating. Annnd, I’ve come across these privacy settings on other sites, CyclingNews has a very similar setup and yet has an “uncheck all” option.
Also, since I’m logged on... why doesn’t it save the settings locally so saved in profile rather than each device? That’s naughty, bit narrow minded too and clearly set up to make the user take the time to choose which privacy settings on which device.
Which leads me to think over mobile network the trackers are collating locators data, WiFi is fairly static at say 1-2-3 places, but mobiles are transportable to millions of locations during any given day.
Naughty.
But still, take 10mins over supper to run through the options, it’s worth it.
My thoughts obvz, data privacy is indeed required and I’m glad that issues like this are becoming the norm... before I wouldn’t have known 60 odd other anonymous companies we indeed watching what I was doing...
So thanks for thinking of us.
👍💋
Even on laptop its a ballache - and theres at least as many (although I reckon almost twice the number) that are "opt-out required".
So just where is the option for that then Mark?
The opt-out required ones you need to go to the suppliers site and uncheck there.
PITA, but it does give you an indication of what services they provide to internet based data hivers...
Again, why is it worthwhile to opt out?
As far as I understand it’s just an option to stop us getting ads based on browsing history, and just mindless unrelated ads instead?
Where do I find the bit on the website to change my opt in/outs?
60+ individual websites to "opt-out required" click off?
Seriously?
What a f......... joke.....
Just select ‘take me to site’. Job done.
It will pop up every 30 days btw. That’s because as new ad providers enter the programmatic networks the option to opt out needs to be offered to you. There’s literally hundreds of what are known as vendors in the ad delivery networks and they come and go automatically with zero input from us or any other publisher. But your consent is required for every one.
There are no humans following you. This is all powered by algorithms that work using all our data.
persinalky I prefer ads that are at least relevant to me. With no co sent you will still get just as many ads as everyone else but they will not be personalised instead they will be pretty random and probably a bit odd at times
This is not us insisting on this nonsense. It’s GDPR law now. The software that is asking for your consent is not ours either. It’s a tool from the ad network company we use (same as road.cc and many other publishers) and it’s a legal requirement.
Ive just watched the rate we get per 1000 impressions of an ad drop even further within hours of our compliance with this law. That’s in addition to the 25% drop across the whole industry on the 25th May.
Why do you need to know what items we have put in our shopping bags on other websites?
I don’t. I have no idea what you have bought.
Anyone whose done GDPR will know how tedious it is, if I sign up to a Premier account will it stop?
Yes.
Logged in subscribers get no ads so no ad consent required.
P P P P Pick up a Premier. For the price of a couple of coffees, I've no idea what you lot are on about.
Just select ‘take me to site’. Job done.
Nope. Just keeps coming back. IOS mobile
Just select ‘take me to site’. Job done.
Except that the reason why GDPR exists is because of the lack of transparency around the tracking which takes place. Extolling everyone to click through without seeing exactly how many company’s will be able to view your web browsing habits, is a lack of transparency.
As to the person who asked what the issue is? Well are you happy with over 60 advertising companies building a profile of what you look at on the internet? That is the issue.
And before everyone says get a p blah blah. I have no problem with advertising. I do have a problem with my privacy being invaded. I have turned off all the trackers and will whitelist the site with my blockers once I have checked that they are all not tracking me.
I completely accept that publishers and advertisers need to make money.
So whilst it may be a ball ache. I think the options are a good thing. Because without it you would be receiving no income from my browsing.
Ok,
Mobile device using Safari, no amount of selecting/accepting makes any difference. Site is unusable and just gets blocked out by the options I can’t control.
Tablet, Safari, with an Adblocker on the site works really well. I’m fairly sure that’s not the preferred outcome.
"P" FTW, there's even a magazine too!
If you are not a subscriber you are worth a little under 1p per day to us in ad revenue.
If you opt out of personalised ads that figure drops by around 25%
Ok
The GDPR consent has to be stored in a cookie. Your consent is required for every device you use to access the site.
As to the person who asked what the issue is? Well are you happy with over 60 advertising companies building a profile of what you look at on the internet? That is the issue.
Call me thick “he’s thick!” but why is that a problem?
Just select ‘take me to site’. Job done.
It will pop up every 30 days btw
Nope. Seems permanent, I'm afraid Mark. Can't get rid of it, and as above, it's made the site totally unusable on mobile.
Sorry about that.
If your device won’t accept the euconsent cookie then it will just keep popping up on every page.
have you tried the clear cookie link in the footer?
I don’t get why personalised ads are bad.
60+ individual websites to “opt-out required” click off?
Which is possibly not following the GDPR requirements to make it simple.
I don’t get why personalised ads are bad.
It's not the ads it's the tracking as should should know and the other gross privacy invasions the ad industry undertook in the past. Publishing is reaping the fall-out of the ad industry lack of self-control.
The only people that are permitted to know everything about us are: 5i's and the lizard overlords. 🙂
I got fed up of ads invading the page whilst on my phone so I spashed out £20 for a gloriously stress free 12 months of viewing. All for the princely sum of 5.5p per day.
Mark - quite simply, put a “select all” “deselect all”.
Its really not hard yet it is something you seem very very reluctant to do.(the deselect all one)
The same with all the ones that you have to visit their site to opt out of.
Make them part of the “deselect all” button or you are going to find a marked increase in the use of ad-blockers being used full stop.
It should not be necessary to have to visit a shit load of external sites when you are the one having them operating through yours.
At the risk of repeating what has already been stated on a number of other threads - You seem either ignorant of, or deliberately ignoring the fact that there are a hell of a lot of high level devs here. Devs that have repeatedly tried to help this place remain as good as it was, who have given free advice, tips, etc yet it’s all been ignored whilst the site becomes more unusable.
Call me thick “he’s thick!” but why is that a problem?
Well as I said it depends if you think it is a problem. However since you asked this is why I think it is a problem.
I do not want a company to have and potentially leak / sell / give to a government a complete record of my browsing history. You can tell a lot about someone from that. (Which is why the government passed laws to get your isp to do the same and why I now have a vpn)
It has been proven that you do not need many data points to deanonymise anonymous data.
I google dementia and read up on it because my aunt had it, do you want your insurance company to know that?
i see an article on some horrible terrorist org and decide to research that? Who are you happy seeing that.
Basically it is not the personalised adverts which are the issue. It is the fact that these companies harvest and store everything I do on the internet, which contains stuff which is private or taken out of context misleading.
the Cambridge analytica thing was about people misusing very similar datasets.
I've not (yet) had this popup either when logged in or not on two different devices. If as above there's one click to "opt in" and a large number of clicks to "opt out" then that isn't within the spirit, if not the letter, of the law.
Other popups I've come across have four or five options at the top level, enable/disable at that level and everything underneath gets set. If you wish, you can expand each category and see individual companies and enable/disable on a case by case basis. Other than making it so awkward to opt out of everything that you end up clicking "Continue to site" I can't see a reason why this should be so complicated. Neither should you have to visit the sites of the trackers/stalkers - the code behind the popup should do what's required for you - again not within the spirit of the law.
This part of GDPR is a consequence of "continue to site" and similar laziness on our part when browsing.
I’m not being ignorant of anything and we have high level devs here too.
That popup is not our software. It comes with the ads. It’s an industry standard solution to GDPR compliance implemented by StreamAMP.
Yes, it’s shit. So is the GDPR legislation which wasn’t thought through properly.
It it is what it is. I’m beyond caring.
Yeah, me too. You’d think I’d be less inclined to subscribe wouldn’t you?
Well nope, actually throughout this whole forum upgrade and Gdpr privacy stuff I reckon Mark et all have learned the scale and scope of those rules that effect users of online sites.
Thankfully users are now clearly informed, it’s easy to modify privacy settings, we now know how our data is being used/utilised by anonymous companies who provide click/spend profiles to organisations like STW. Ad blokers and tracker blockers are a useful tool, but as the landscape changes online we will be using less and less of that blunt form of privacy invasive blocker and become more reliant on the immediate service provider being open to the use and allow a certain number of privacy options to us.
I’m still against those anonymous companies who hive data off, but at least I can with some level of trust trust STW (and other media) to choose selectively those services that meet both STW’s need to have a revenue stream and my needs to keep my privacy limited online.
To those that think Gdpr is just a blunt instrument to stop unwanted emails and being taken off marketing companies distribution lists, then think more around the what/how/why and who looks at your data whilst online.
I have re-subscribed because I think Mark et all have been up front with the issues I’ve mentioned, and handled them pretty well.
For me the gdpr stuff is great. Allows me to control who sees my data
Anyone who does not see the advantages of this do you think the Cambridge analytica data mining and it's use to subordinate elections is OK?
The GDPR consent has to be stored in a cookie. Your consent is required for every device you use to access the site.
one would imagine it's hardly beyond the ken of man to store the actions of one user on one device, then just pop up when they log in from another, and say 'hey! you took this coarse of action earlier, are you happy for us to apply the same options with this device?'
but then i guess if you're using a third party's s/w you don't have a lot of control over how things are set up.
Mark – quite simply, put a “select all” “deselect all”.
Its really not hard yet it is something you seem very very reluctant to do.(the deselect all one)
The same with all the ones that you have to visit their site to opt out of.
Make them part of the “deselect all” button or you are going to find a marked increase in the use of ad-blockers being used full stop.
At the risk of repeating what has already been stated on a number of other threads – You seem either ignorant of, or deliberately ignoring the fact that there are a hell of a lot of high level devs here.
presumably some of those devs aren't all that high level if they miss the detail that there's a third party's s/w being deployed....
i do agree with
It should not be necessary to have to visit a shit load of external sites when you are the one having them operating through yours.
however.
The number of users with accounts to log in to is a small proportion of site visitors. If it was a case of only needing consent from account holders then it would be possible to gain consent from a single user regardless of device. But since consent is required from every site visitor, the majority of whom do not have accounts, consent has to be cookie based and therefore collected on every device.
The good news is that if the value of online ads drops in every sense then the dead tree press could get a bit of an increase in ads...
and we have high level devs here too.
recent recruits ? why did you bother recruiting them now, surely it would have been better to recruit them before you did that upgrade ??
🙂
Mac/Chrome there is no way of getting rid of the pop up unless you click yes - there is zero option to adjust the preferences at all!
”Privacy policy” is useless as despite links to a few external sites - NONE are opt-outs.
Shouldn't there be a warning with it too?
Mac/Chrome there is no way of getting rid of the pop up unless you click yes – there is zero option to adjust the preferences at all!
Windows 10/Firefox all I get is accept and enter or don't. Can't find anywhere to adjust opt ins/outs.
If you are not a subscriber you are worth a little under 1p per day to us in ad revenue.
If you opt out of personalised ads that figure drops by around 25%
I'm surprised it is that much to be honest. How many ads does a user have to see to be worth the 1p?
It has been proven that you do not need many data points to deanonymise anonymous data.
Just two in the case of geo-tagged data sets!