Contain your exshitement - what wall-hung WC and frame?

Whatever you install. Make sure it’s a Japanese one that’ll wash and dry you. We did this a few months ago and it’s amazing. I’d never install a standard loo again.

It's verboten, apparently. Perhaps I should just do it anyway, and listen for the screams first time she uses it. 🙂

I fitted a Victoria Plum one a few years ago, wall hung, concealed cistern - sorting out the pipework was the trickiest job as the waste had to make 2, 90-degree bends to meet the soil stack. I drilled the mounting holes for the frame to find that the cold feed for the power shower was buried in the the block wall - cue the water erupting at high pressure as the pump was activated 😂

I'm sure I'll be back on with some amateur hour tales. Trying to spend more time than usual planning the job rather than having to undo half of it when stuff doesn't fit. It's an elaborate refit involving new stud walls, a completely new shower cubicle, moving everything except the WC with new lighting etc. I'm hoping the only pro I have to get in is a plasterer...

I fit Geberit and Viega frames and Laufen, Villeroy & Boch pans without hassle or remedial work but they’re at the primo end of the spectrum.  The Cheaper ones always seem to be more of a task,  I’m currently working on a project where the customer has bought Grohe frames and RAK pans.  They’re ok but you can see where the costs have been cut.

my main advice is to remember to calculate your finished floor thickness and add it to the height of your frame at set out stage, so many don’t and the pans are nearly on the floor!

Got luck trying to find one without a poo shelf for examination though... they all seem to have them now

Thanks @Blazin-saddles. Was looking at Grohe frames, thought they were supposed to be a decent make. What makes them tricky?

Yeah, making sure you allow for the floor is a good one, fortunately I've made that kind of mistake often enough in the past that hopefully I'll avoid it this time!

Any other makes that make your heart sink when you see them waiting for you at a customer's house?

I did a Vitra that wasn't bad.  The clown show plumbers/builders managed to snap the debris shield and crack the cistern on iteration no. 1 so I had to dig their fiasco out of the wall and do the job properly.

Chose Vitra based on the flush plates that went with the interior designer's (wife's) palette that were in stock.

Fitting the pan was a doddle after the tiler had done their work.

Note: the debris shield on Vitra is non-removable once fitted and will snap some/all plastic tabs if you attempt to remove it.

Wall hung World Cup frame? Probably an old Santa Cruz V10 would look nice.

Thanks @Blazin-saddles. Was looking at Grohe frames, thought they were supposed to be a decent make. What makes them tricky?

Not tricky to fit per se, just haven't got the range of adjustment the more expensive ones have got, which limits your options sometimes.  I'm also not a massive fan of pneumatic flush valves as they always fail eventually.  they're not bad by any means and to be fair I'm not the one paying for them so can see why the cheaper options look good.

As they're boxed and tiled in for life, I look to make sure spares are readily available.  I fitted loads of V&B branded ones (made by Roca I think) and steadily over the next couple of years we were back to swap the flush valves as they started failing one by one.

So, maybe Geberit for the frame and something of my choice for the pan?

When I built my place over 20 years ago, after returning from Germany, I bought over some Geberit concealed cisterns as they were guaranteed to keep spares for at least 20 years. They were twice the price of anything else available at the time (and in the UK at the time they were virtually unheard of). But They have sat here behind a tiled wall now for 23 years, on a non-mains system that sometimes gets muddy water through it, and they have never missed a beat. One of my better investments.

Wall hung World Cup frame? Probably an old Santa Cruz V10 would look nice.

not just me then?

erm Palmers frame from Big Bear in 99 would be the icon

Cheers all, settling on the idea of a Geberit for the frame at least.

If going gerbrit I’d suggest opting for the larger rectangle flush plate than the smaller round ‘type 01’ remote flush button. The latter is noticeably harder to use.

when selecting the height of the concealed cistern keep in mind where the flush plate will sit. Having the toilet seat hit it is not ideal so  going higher or lower to sit behind the open seat to avoid this might be something to consider

Muddyjames - I think you’re thinking about a concealed cistern?  The frame variants don’t have the small round button or any option to change the position of the plate relative to the pan.  They have large plates as they are designed so that all the consumable parts can be replaced through the aperture.  They do come in different heights however, I usually go for the 1120mm as then it fits within half height tiling etc and niches fit nicely above it.

EDIT - Actually I tell a lie, the very short frames for furniture can come with the round pneumatic button.  Yes, I’d avoid those unless going into a furniture run.

Geberit all the time, best I’ve used.

like Grohe as a company but as Blazzin said pneumatic valves are a pain.

Thanks again - yeah, Geberit 1120mm to avoid the seat/button interface. Seems almost like a rare STW consensus. 🙂