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[Closed] Considering buying an Imac - daft or a good move?

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iMac, iPhone, iPad your good to go, all your data , photos, bookmark all synced across all devices seamlessly.

Not sure how Microsoft deliver that, the windows phone is dead, you will have to bodge something together.

They don't need to, google hangs it together and even lets you use their applications on your I-Device - you know cross platform compatibility because it the 21st century and we don't need to be stuck in a walled garden or locked into something so you don't leave. After that it just works, literally it does I know it's hard to grasp that other people have been developing stuff that works but you know it does....

ive never needed to remove bloatware and tune OSX, every free version works out the the box on every release,

Been the case since windows 7 for me on a variety of hardware that would probably make the apple devs shit the bed 😉


 
Posted : 24/09/2018 7:37 pm
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Does your 64bit installation have C:\Widows\system32? Why not delete it?


 
Posted : 24/09/2018 7:41 pm
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C:\Widows\system32? Why not delete it?

do it 🙂

one imagines it's there for exactly the same reason that every MacOS version up to and including Mojave also has 32 backwards compatibility.

My Macbook broke. The replacement part broke. The replacement replacement part broke. Apparently they are high quality and just work 😉

Then Apple made it legacy, cos they decided it was not bling enough to be seen in a coffee shop with any more.


 
Posted : 24/09/2018 7:55 pm
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I suspect if you are getting laid due to a mac in the room then you are paying for it, which removes the issue of what computer is there...


 
Posted : 24/09/2018 8:14 pm
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Does your 64bit installation have C:\Widows\system32? Why not delete it?

Who?

Sure it does.  WGAF what a system folder is named?  Do I need to spunk North of a grand on hardware because the file path is a bit funny?


 
Posted : 24/09/2018 8:21 pm
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Posted : 24/09/2018 8:45 pm
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System32 contains all your 64bit stuff ...huh wtf omg etc....?? The 32bit backwards compatibility is done via an emulator that runs 32 bit libraries elsewhere. It's a massive bloody hack because of so many legacy apps that hardcoded the path. It's just one of a series of massive bloody hacks in the OS.


 
Posted : 24/09/2018 8:52 pm
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I don't really like macos, I really don't like Windows though. 3 hours I've wasted trying to install bloody Windows tonight, pretty sure it's just because I have an nvme drive and can't run the bios in secure mode.

Anyway, buy what you like the look of and runs what you want to use, if you've not used macos before then I'd say try it first. I've been using it for 6 months and there are some aspects I really like and some I really don't, it's quite different to Windows though if that's what you're used to. I'd probably not have on my home machine, but then I don't usually use Windows either.


 
Posted : 24/09/2018 9:04 pm
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The big problem with Windows is that is is an industrial scale hack to maintain backwards compatibility.

The best thing about Windows is that it has awesome backwards compatibility. I don't have to spend thousands buying new hardware to replace perfectly good stuff that stops working just because Apple decided everyone should upgrade everything.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 12:03 am
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MacOS is not intuitive for someone used to Windows. It’s an excellent OS, but it’s not intuitive in the way that fanbois insist.

Funny, it's been the opposite for me. MacOS is far easier to grasp, easier to maintain and updates don't cause the headaches that Windows updates do, including Win10. Have been using Windows since 3.1 but had to learn Mac when I changed workplace 12 years ago, I find it much easier than navigating each new version of Windows.

Our office has 16 macs & 2 servers of varied models & vintages and users all find it easy to learn. They need very little looking after, reliability is superb and have a useful life far greater than the average PC/Windows laptop.

The best thing about Windows is that it has awesome backwards compatibility.

Each OS has its stumbling points but unless you're a hardware geek and/or running ancient business-critical software it's not really a great argument for one or the other. But I'd be happier running a 10 y/o Mac than a 10 y/o Windows installation, especially if you consider online security.

I too would heartily recommend a Mini with SSD & plenty of RAM.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 3:01 pm
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System32 contains all your 64bit stuff …huh wtf omg etc….?? The 32bit backwards compatibility is done via an emulator that runs 32 bit libraries elsewhere. It’s a massive bloody hack because of so many legacy apps that hardcoded the path. It’s just one of a series of massive bloody hacks in the OS.

As a user, why would you care?

The pathnames have to be preserved for compatibility with third-party apps whose authors didn't follow MS guidelines.  The system path should never be hard-coded - there's system-wide variables pointing to this and other useful folders so you don't need to - but not all developers did this correctly.

Now, MS could have just changed it all with x64 and said "if your apps break it's your own fault" but then everyone would be whinging that their apps didn't work (and blaming MS for changing it).  And in any case, what would that gain anyone?  Nowt.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 3:13 pm
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I’d be happier running a 10 y/o Mac than a 10 y/o Windows installation, especially if you consider online security.

Thing is, you don't have to.  There are odd compatibility issues occasionally but most 10 year old PCs will run the current version of Windows quite happily.  If you're still running Vista then you're either locked into it for some reason (eg, corporate machines) or an idiot.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 3:16 pm
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unless you’re a hardware geek and/or running ancient business-critical software it’s not really a great argument for one or the other.

My job requires some specialized software to process scanned documents. Fifteen years ago, there were Mac equivalents, but when Apple moved to Intel chips, everything got broken and everyone had to switch to Windows. The hardware and software I was using with WinXP still runs on Win10. A lot of companies would have the same backwards compatibility issues, so the Apple contempt for backwards compatibility really is a deal breaker for many situations.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 4:18 pm
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They don’t need to, google hangs it together and even lets you use their applications on your I-Device – you know cross platform compatibility because it the 21st century and we don’t need to be stuck in a walled garden or locked into something so you don’t leave. After that it just works, literally it does I know it’s hard to grasp that other people have been developing stuff that works but you know it does….

Except the integration isn't the same outside the walled garden.Lot of things are possible... I just can't be arsed nowadays if its not already set up and configured

That's good and bad... if something isn't in the walled garden then getting it to integrate is not going to be easy...

I can use my Netflix or Prime video with my Amazon player for a Mac or iPhone but its more work than to Apple TV. I can use my Amazon player as a screen for my phone or mac ... if I can install the right software from Amazons walled garden or hack it... It's not that its really easier from my Google Nexus though..

I don't really like walled gardens at all such as Android or Mac ... but as walled gardens go... if you have to choose to be stuck in one then the Apple one is the easiest prison to get along with.

When I was younger I loved roaming the wild countryside... but now I don't have the time I'm just going into the matrix and let myself be happy that I believe it's steak...


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 4:40 pm
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That’s good and bad… if something isn’t in the walled garden then getting it to integrate is not going to be easy…

It is, see "The Cloud"

I can use my Netflix or Prime video with my Amazon player for a Mac or iPhone but its more work than to Apple TV. I can use my Amazon player as a screen for my phone or mac … if I can install the right software from Amazons walled garden or hack it… It’s not that its really easier from my Google Nexus though..

Amazon is another walled garden


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 4:44 pm
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I’ve been using it for 6 months and there are some aspects I really like and some I really don’t

Shhhhh! Careful what you say or there might be an outbreak of reason and balance.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 4:57 pm
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As a user, why would you care?

Same reason why if you opened up your car bonnet to see a shed loads of wires all over the place connecting a modern ECU to an ancient carb. Anyone with an ounce of understanding knows that unix was designed from day one with security in mind (as it was architected as multi-user) and Windows has had security features hacked on over time. As I said previously it is getting better but is still a bit of a mess most of which is down to legacy support.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 5:14 pm
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Same reason why if you opened up your car bonnet to see a shed loads of wires all over the place connecting a modern ECU to an ancient carb.

Same question applies - why would a driver care?

A mechanic might, sure, but five nines of drivers only ever lift the bonnet to add fluids (and some don't even bother to do that).  You lift the lid of a modern car, you're greeted with a few filler caps and a big slab of plastic that says "go away" on it.

Anyone with an ounce of understanding knows that unix was designed from day one with security in mind (as it was architected as multi-user) and Windows has had security features hacked on over time.

Whilst there's an element of truth in that, it's disingenuous at best.  Unix has as much relevance to modern Linux as Windows 3.1 has to W10.  (Spoiler: what does "GNU" stand for, again?  Linux doesn't contain a single line of Unix code.)  The whole point of GNU, it's raison d'etre, is to be free, portable software - nothing to do with security.

And in any case, I say again: who actually cares?  Both operating system families are over 30 years old and have been in constant development, you might as well be arguing that security is crap on an 18-plate Ford Mondeo because you could get into a MkII Escort with a broken biscuit.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 5:33 pm
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Share data and use Google applications ? That’s just like putting a spy in your PC, think I’ll give that one a miss.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 5:39 pm
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Are you a python or javascript dev by chance Cougar 😉


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 6:06 pm
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Not especially, though I've dabbled with both.  Why?


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 6:41 pm
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I don’t really like walled gardens at all such as Android or Mac … but as walled gardens go… if you have to choose to be stuck in one then the Apple one is the easiest prison to get along with.

Except Android lets you install what you like from any repository you like with just a checkbox. iOS, on the other hand, involves jailbreaking and all the hassle that entails then redoing it every time the OS upgrades but only once someone has figured out how to do it this time around. I can think of only once that I've had to install unsigned software  (root) on an Android but a few cases on an iPad where I wanted it to do what I needed it to.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 7:19 pm
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Not especially, though I’ve dabbled with both.  Why?

Because your understanding of GNU and its relationship with linux is off the scale wrong. GNU and Linux are entirely different things. The Linux kernel is  a separate entity. Stallman has desperately failed with Hurd. etc..etc...But I thought we were talking about OSX which is a POSIX variant of BSD and hence pretty damned unix.

Anyway this is timely. A zero day in Windows related to the Jet Engine which is another lump of deprecated MS technology.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 7:55 pm
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Unix has as much relevance to modern Linux as Windows 3.1 has to W10

Err.  No.  Linux is splendid and I love it, and it is a UNIX clean room clone but UNIX itself has not stood still.  I manage quite a few of them and they are all nice and some have cool features too.  AIX 7.2 has running kernel patching, MacOS has had a systemD type lauchd for some time.  Solaris 11 (even though owned by the Evil Oracle Empire) has also grabbed a lot of GNU stuff and has a decently designed kernel.  And ZFS.  I've not seen anything that can match that even though it is causing me some serious issues today!

So yes Linux is fab, but is isn't like UNIX is the old cousin from 1985.

And strangely enough most Intel chips are also running MInix.  Which is pretty old but has a true microkernel design.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 8:17 pm
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I thought we were talking about OSX which is a POSIX variant of BSD and hence pretty damned unix.

I don't know a great deal about OSX's history TBH, it's not my field.  If that's the case then I'm happy to sit corrected.  My point was simply, both have been in development for a long time and you can't judge modern systems on their 30-year old ancestors.

 A zero day in Windows related to the Jet Engine which is another lump of deprecated MS technology.

... which requires the user to actively run hostile code and then runs with the logged-in user's privs (and your users aren't admins, right?).  It's a proof-of-concept currently, not an exploit.

And yeah, JET should've died a decade ago.


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 8:41 pm
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UNIX itself has not stood still.  I manage quite a few of them

Again, wasn't really what I was getting at but yes, fair enough.  I should practice what I preach really, the last time I used an actual real UNIX system would have been, what, 1991?

And yeah, ZFS is awesome.  Though requires more RAM than I can currently lay my hands on to implement effectively...


 
Posted : 25/09/2018 8:46 pm
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… which requires the user to actively run hostile code and then runs with the logged-in user’s privs (and your users aren’t admins, right?).  It’s a proof-of-concept currently, not an exploit.

Again, no you're wrong. Simply visit a malicious page or link, and nobody knows if it's poc or live as MS  have not acted on it so it has been disclosed.


 
Posted : 26/09/2018 7:19 am
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That’s good and bad… if something isn’t in the walled garden then getting it to integrate is not going to be easy…

It is, see “The Cloud”

You completely missed the point ... I don't want to have to see or do anything, I just want things to integrate without me doing anything.

Amazon is another walled garden

Exactly and it integrates well (though not as well as Apple) with other Amazon products.  Everytime Amazon upgrade the OS Netflix is seen as a different device and I have to log-in again...

I can't purchase books from the amazon Kindle APP though I can from my Kindle... or the browser.. so yep there is a solution... but its not integrated like from my kindle.

If I found any of these things FUN anymore I'd do them... the thing is I can't be arsed... the barriers are too high for someone with zero interest in making it work vs it just working.


 
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