Isn't it the Sharan platform not van platform?
I like how they went to the effort of integrating the front radar sensor into the overall design so that it doesn’t look like a last minute on afterthought.
front radar sensor into the overall design so that it doesn’t look like a last minute on afterthought.
Lots of VWs/VAGs seem to have this feature.
Think I'd rather wait for a buzz.
Nope, it's not even a van.
Epic fail OP.
Got a T6 which I’ll be looking to replace next year, but that doesn’t even come close to being an option, mainly because it looks gopping…
Got a T6 which I’ll be looking to replace next year, but that doesn’t even come close to being an option, mainly because it looks gopping…
When has that ever put anyone off a T6? Lots of owners seem to actively embrace it!
So it's a very expensive version of my Berlingo.
Wait till the transit based t7 comes along
Kind of looks like an ugly 'space age' Ford Galaxy. It will sell bucketloads.
Looks like an MPV doing MPV. Fine for those of us capable of disassembling a bike, other options are available.
I'm in no way a van lover and I care nothing for T6s and whatnot - I actively despise 'van life' bollocks. But I quite like that as an MPV. Maybe these two things are related.
Nope, it’s not even a van
But it says multivan 😜
I actually think its decent in terms of practically, take all the seats out and bung the bikes in the back at the weekend, put them back in and do the school run the next day. And you get all the car tech luxuries.
It is going to cost about £50k though...
But yeah, was a little tongue in cheek, but probably not far from the truth either with the van life people.
Hybrid only? No full EV option?
No, because the ID.Buzz which is full EV, launches next year.
Does anyone know the dimensions of the bonnet? I'm going to have a batch of bras made up.
Im not sure if a full EV would work for a lot of bike riders.
Can you imagine driving from probably most places to say BPW/Afan/CyB and back. About halfway there you will be searching for a service station that doesn't have a massive que for the charging points, hoping they will work and hoping the coffee is good for the hour wait to get on one, then the hour wait while it charges up. Then while enjoying the trail centre you start to worry about the return journey.
I think Hybrids will be the better choice for some time to come.
Id buzz is supposedly going to have a range of be 371 miles, that should do quite well.
I quite like the t7 mpv and that they have separated it from the van, but I like the look of the buzz more. I'll see how it turns out.
I like the size, don't like the 2-tone colours and agree, it'll cost a fortune. I'm not a VW fan, but will take another nosey at some point. Hybrid isn't doing it for me...should be full on ev or full on ice, but I'm clearly not the intended market as the badge and colour scheme do nothing for me.
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I’m in no way a van lover and I care nothing for T6s and whatnot – I actively despise ‘van life’ bollocks. But I quite like that as an MPV. Maybe these two things are related
Won't find you at camperjam talking about the "scene" then? I'm with you 😂
Can you imagine driving from probably most places to say BPW/Afan/CyB and back. About halfway there you will be searching for a service station that doesn’t have a massive que for the charging points, hoping they will work and hoping the coffee is good for the hour wait to get on one, then the hour wait while it charges up. Then while enjoying the trail centre you start to worry about the return journey.
Assumes that destinations are stuck behind the times and don't have chargers installed. 371 miles each way then seems like it would be enough!
No Transporter Van based on this, the T6.1 is to continue a while longer.
Assumes that destinations are stuck behind the times and don’t have chargers installed
Yeah I can see that being right on the agenda at Afan.
Yeah I can see that being right on the agenda at Afan.
It's on the agenda everywhere, aren't you following the news? There'll ve more charging points than you can shake a stick at before you know it.
Afan and Cwmcarn are already a piece of cake because they are just off the motorway. Coed y Brenin more challenging now but it won't be long. The WG knows which side their bread is buttered.
It does feel to me like if you buy a new car/van in the next year or two and intended to keep it for a while, that you should think carefully. If your buy ice, you could find yourself limited to a small number of filling stations within a decade.
Hybrid only? No full EV option?
Because batteries would not get you there and back
So why is this thing ok but SUV’s are hated here ?
If your buy ice, you could find yourself limited to a small number of filling stations within a decade.
There's an alternative school of thought that petrol/diesel is just going to trickle allong at much the same price but it's use will dwindle untill it's mostly forgotten about untill you see a classic car/motorbike go past and everyone points.
2025 is when euro7 comes in and it's thought that will be the death of small ICE cars as it will be too expensive to make them compliant. Larger cars might get another generation as they can absorb the cost. So given a ~15 year lifespan that's abour 2040-2045 before the numbers really start to drop.
Beyond 2045, who knows. Running classic cars on ethanol?
Yeah I can see that being right on the agenda at Afan.
It occurred to me the other day* that trail centres are one of the only places I visit that don't have charging points. Which is wierd given the users tend to have driven there, stay for hours and the demographic is affluent technophiles.
*I was cycling past a public charging point in a small village in the Yorkshire Dales, before someone accuses me of being a townie.
Tbh, anyone who drives the kind of distances quoted up there who doesnt stop for a break for half an hour is a bit dim anyway.
Looks nice and all, but is pretty much a Ford Galaxy rather than a van.
Il be proudly sticking with my Ozone destroying AWD V8 🙂
It occurred to me the other day* that trail centres are one of the only places I visit that don’t have charging points.
Do you know the cost of implementing EV infrastructure to ‘remote’ places? IIRC the cost of getting just the electrical connection to one rural car park was in excess of £300k! Unsurprisingly, that one never went ahead 🤣😂
I can see trail centres queuing up to spend £10k’s on new substations for folk that are too tight to pay a parking fee.
I'm think there are electric charging points at Cwmcarn.
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Do you know the cost of implementing EV infrastructure to ‘remote’ places? IIRC the cost of getting just the electrical connection to one rural car park was in excess of £300k! Unsurprisingly, that one never went ahead 🤣😂
Given that they probably already have 3-phase for the cafe. And Afan/BPW/Cyb are hardly what you would call remote.
And have you considered the cost of digging a hole in the ground and sinking a big tank into it, installing pumps and having fuel delivered by lorry every few days? Thats a big cost. What EV charging will do is spread charging infrastructure out to anywhere with an electicity supply so rather than having to make a special trip to the petrol station you just plug in at the car park wherever you're going.
Try and laugh it off all you like, it's the way things are going.
Try and laugh it off all you like, it’s the way things are going.
Who is laughing? I’m asking who is paying for it? Your analogy is useless as (to my knowledge) as trail centres aren’t trying to sell you fuel for your ICE vehicle to get there. But you are asking them to increase their electrical infrastructure (even the twin 8kW chargers need a 63A breaker, how many trail centres, what a shop and cafe, have that spare capacity?). Don’t even ask about a fast charger as that needs a three phase 100A supply iirc.
As far as I am aware there is currently no EV infrastructure planning policy in the UK. There isn’t even really any guidance...
Believe me, EV provision quickly undergoes “VE” pretty early on... it’s a nice to have, yes we are definitely going to need it sometime but nobody has the money to pay for it. Sorry...
You obtained any quotes for chargers recently?
SUV is frowned upon as it is bought for a completely inappropriate reason (school run, image, keeping up with the Jones, etc.) - they are a bad car choice for many many people - poor fuel economy is a Biggie for me personally - but they want them as they feel they have to have something big.
Berlingo-sized stuff seems to be liked here as it is more cat-like and can do many things and they have real practical benefits.
End of the day, it is yet another vehicle on the road so it isn't all that good no matter how you polish it.
Mildly annoyingly, demand for Berlingo-sized vehicles seems to have rocketed so finding a suitable second-hand one is proving very difficult at an affordable price!
Metal heart, I work at DFT, there is plenty of ev infrastructure planning and implementation projects.... You'll not be far from a charger of various types for long.
Tinas haven't we said no sales of new ice from 2030 and several manufacturers committed to full change before then? Without looking it up Volvo and 2025 rings a bell. I can see ice numbers being way down by 2030, and by 2035 maybe down to to some pretty low levels. This is crystal ball gazing of course, but the change will happen over a decade largely, and it could well be this decade
Don’t even ask about a fast charger as that needs a three phase 100A supply iirc.
Why are we talking about fast chargers for somewhere where people are going to be parked up for 6-8 hours?
The problem posed was how do you get to a trail center and back on a 371 mile charge. So we're talking about a small minority of the people there who have travelled 3+ hours each way. Perhaps a handful of vehicles. With 6+ hours to top up the batteries.
So if it was actually a real world problem we're talking single figures of 5-10kw chargers somewhere that already has a connection. Not a hundred supercharger points in some off grid car park.
Can you imagine driving from probably most places to say BPW/Afan/CyB and back. About halfway there you will be searching for a service station that doesn’t have a massive que for the charging points, hoping they will work and hoping the coffee is good for the hour wait to get on one, then the hour wait while it charges up. Then while enjoying the trail centre you start to worry about the return journey.
Given that the t7 isn't even an EV, I'm in danger of going way OT here... Whenever I see this 'but it might mildly inconvenience me at some point' argument pointed at EV's, I find it hard to get too bothered.
Probably everyone on here has grown up in an era where we've been able to hop in a privately owned car and go hundreds of miles at the drop of a hat - but at what cost?
It's probably not a popular opinion, but if hauling a couple of tonnes of metal half way across the country to mess about on bikes for a few hours becomes ever so slightly less convenient, is that actually a bad thing?
So if it was actually a real world problem we’re talking single figures of 5-10kw chargers somewhere that already has a connection. Not a hundred supercharger points in some off grid car park.
Believe me it is a real world problem. One I’ve had to look at. That was for a twin 8kW charging point. The one fast charger would have required a new electrical supply... and there’s always some self entitled **** who thinks there should be one (all them Audi drivers with their Santa Cruz’s out for a couple hours pootle and a coffee/cakes... 🤣)
You need spare capacity in the incoming supply, meter (as well as spare ways in a suitable) board. And that’s before you get around to cabling, the charger and associated civils works. All costs money (and who is paying for it?). It’s not the trail centres problem... at least not yet!
there is plenty of ev infrastructure planning and implementation projects….
Yeah, but without a Planning Policy... you know, for new developments.
(I’ve colleagues that have been involved in EV charging rollout the last three years).
CwmCarn still has parking meters that only take cash !
Will these charging points be coin operated as well ?
Plenty will complain about the 'inconvenience' if they also claim that that 90+ minute drive is needed to get them to a riding spot...it might result in more folk actually riding local, which is good and bad...bad as local trails get busier.
Will these charging points be coin operated as well ?
Why bother charging to charge? The electricity is pennies, and the infrastructure will be in use by all of us at some point in the future. Put the chargers in place, make ‘em free to use, charge for parking in just the same way as for us dirty diesel users.
As far as I am aware there is currently no EV infrastructure planning policy in the UK.
There absolutely needs to be. And not just planning… funding.
Why bother charging to charge?
1) the infrastructure costs money (if you’ve money you’re throwing away tell Paul you’ll pay for my forks, cheers!).
2) parking is an amenity that takes up space/infrastructure that all costs money.
3) it is a source of income (from those that don’t pay to use the facilities that are ‘free’).
Everybody wants something for nothing 🤪
Why bother charging to charge? The electricity is pennies
But the electricity isn't 'pennies'. I charge my EV off peak at home, which is 5p/kWh. A business (such as a trail centre cafe) won't be getting such rates, especially as not many people ride at off peak times (2am ride anyone?). I'd imagine they are paying 12 to 15p/kWh (plus VAT at 20% for commercial car chargers, as they will use over the 1000kWh per month limit for the reduced 5% VAT rate on electricity.
So one car plugged in at 7kWh for 6 hours = 42kWh x 12pence= £5.04, plus VAT @20% = £6.05.
That is £6.05 for one lone car, for one day, not taking into account installation costs.
Definitely not pennies.
Up until recently, all of our local chargers were free. Charging for the electricity is the best thing they did - no longer do people (including me) hog the chargers just because they were free. Now they are available more often as it is cheaper to charge at home. This means the public chargers are available more often to people who can't charge at home, or need to charge during a longer journey, as opposed to being constantly in use by freeloaders (like me!)
"CwmCarn still has parking meters that only take cash !"
Cwmcarn has been free parking for nearly a year.
They should make installation of charging points a condition of planning permission for wind turbines & solar farms.
I think the pandemic had all the forestry parking charges dropped so suspect they'll be charging soon enough.
the infrastructure costs money
It does. And we all will need it in place relatively soon. So we should all be paying to get it rolled out ASAP (via the government), not trying to fund it by charging the early adopters. Arguably those of us still using diesel (well I am, no idea if you are) should be paying more towards it, not less.
And we all will need it in place relatively soon. So we should all be paying to get it rolled out ASAP (via the government), not trying to fund it by charging the early adopters. Arguably those of us still using diesel (well I am, no idea if you are) should be paying more towards it, not less.
We will indeed. And we will all need to pay for it (some way or another). However, I’m not sure if you’ve noticed but EV cars tend to be bought by people who have a bob or two and could probably afford a couple of quid for refuelling as they park for free. And they are already being subsided (no VED or tax on fuel, I’m nearer £60 to fill up than £6). We should be encouraging less private vehicle use, not more. Notice how it’s back to shit on the roads again? You want poorer people who can’t afford to change their car subsidise richer people. It’s not always a real choice for some.
Plus, anybody got the circular economy stats for an EV? What’s the embodied carbon like, esp for battery materials? Outsourcing that isn’t solving the problem, just shifting it out of sight.
And let’s roll that out across the board. You still heating your house with oil or gas? Fine maybe you want to pay my electric heating bill as well, cheers!
Taking a flight soon, pay some ****ing aviation fuel tax FFS.
How much waste do you produce? How much single use plastic?
These things cannot be done in isolation.
PS, yes, diesel for longer journeys 😗
It's here...
Why bother charging to charge? The electricity is pennies, and the infrastructure will be in use by all of us at some point in the future. Put the chargers in place, make ‘em free to use, charge for parking in just the same way as for us dirty diesel users.
I've just carried out the research for 22kW charging point for our office move. It requires a 32A three phase supply, lord alone knows how big a cable and fuses one requires for a Tesla 350kW fast charger. Commercial properties are about to move to 30 minute metering and dynamic pricing. Many smaller commercial properties (like trail centres) are on a 100A supply to avoid too swingeing a charge when the peak times hit.
Much of our fast addition (that required when half time happens in an international football match and all the kettles go on) power is from gas and due to the unpleasantness currently happening in Ukraine that's getting quite expensive. So no electricity is not cheap and has ongoing problems
So slightly wider, but not as tall or as long as the T6 in standard form...unsure that is a win for VW van fans on this site. They do a longer version but not mention if it uses a larger battery (not watched the whole video yet), but I'd hope it did so the range wasn't reduced. The base model being launched has a range of 400Km or about 250 miles, battery is 77Kw.
I'm going to stop posting and just watch the video, but there will be options of a larger and smaller pack, but they aren't available yet and will take some time before being offered...so it does sound as though the range will increase with a larger pack which seems to be more appealing.
yeah, its the length I'm eyeing up - will a full sized adult be able to sleep in one?
250 miles should be enough for me. Plenty for a 100mile each way day trip with a bit of reserve, don't think I've ever done more than that. 250 miles is Cheshire - Brighton, and I'd not drive that without a reasonable pit-stop when I could top-up the batteries.
Perfect, will I be able to trade in my Connect and bung a couple of grand in to make up the shortfall? 🤣
So slightly wider, but not as tall or as long as the T6 in standard form…
Why TF did it need to be wider? A T6 isn't exactly narrow as it is.
Will make it easier to get a bike in across rather than length ways
I watched the TG video of that lunchtime, it looks great. Of course the 'cheapest' one is £50k, it's got a 250 mile range, which will be what, half that on a Welsh motorway - I know the bulk of this thread is 8 months old but yes there are chargers in Cwmcarn, and I think I saw some being constructed at Afan, if not there are a bank of Tesla Superchargers at Sarn Services and didn't Elon promise to open them up to non-Teslas soon?
Really most people will want a long-range which must be £60k and there's a California coming too for all you day-van fans with very, very deep pockets, the T6 based one is £70k+ isn't it? Shitfire if I'm spending that kind of money, I expect whatever I'm buying to have a postcode.
250 mile range
Deffo take this with a big pinch of salt. We have a Zoe which is 239 mile WLTP range. Starting off with 100% charge with 2 people in winter and no luggage (or bikes) real world range is around 150 miles arriving with 15-12% left.
Did East Sussex to Cheltenham in early Feb and got there with 3% left 😀
I've got a T6 on order but despite the looks, the option of having a PHEV may push me to go for a T7 given our GHG reduction targets at work, or even one of these. If it means a days round trip from Huddersfield to CyB or Inners is off the list then so be it.
I could be wrong but I wonder whether reality/WLTP for something this shape will be worse than reality/WLTP for a reasonably aero lower car, in the scenario where the journey is more motorway. If that hunch is true then it could be a worse range hit. Although you might also drive this a bit more slowly. Will it have van or car speed limits?
Either way, it probably only kills a day trip vs ICE if you can't find a way to fit the stop in on the way home. After a big day's ride I might value a 45 min snooze.
CwmCarn still has parking meters that only take cash !
Will these charging points be coin operated as well ?
Cwmcarn already has charging points and the carpark is currently free. But don't let that get in the way of an argument.
