[Closed] Colleague's dreadful driving...

drove about an 1h20min to a meeting and then did the same in reverse.

I'd definitely have a crash if I drove that far backwards.

refuse to get in a car with him driving and explain to your bosses why

he hired a car and drove about an 1h20min to a meeting and then did the same in reverse.

He drove 1h 20mins in reverse! What is he, Mater? No wonder you were scared!

Seriously though, one excuse I've used in the past (as it's partly true) is to say that you get car sick as a passenger so volunteer to drive. There's no reason he can't hire a car that you drive.

Friend of mine told his father in law who had a serious medical complaint that he'd shop him to the police if he continued to drive unmedicated. Never had to test it as very sadly, said FiL's lack of medicating himself caused a fatal problem and he died.

[i]I assume he meets the minimum standard for driving though. [/i]

I wouldn't assume anything.

you can report him to the dvla without identifying yourself, I believe.

I had the same once with an old boss. I simply refused to be a passenger in a car with her ever again.

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TandemJeremy - Member

refuse to get in a car with him driving and explain to your bosses why

I have done the same in the past, my boss in the end took my place in the car & lived to regret it as the driver then went on to rear end a lorry 10min. latter 😉

I bet you felt smug and 'I told you so' after that s 🙂

TJ, reasonably small company he is the owner/boss I report directly to him.

Clubber / TSY - it would have been safer in reverse!

Clubber - that is not a bad excuse (unfortunately its probably been going on too long for me to invent that excuse) but it also only make life safer for me - not for anyone else in the company who might get in a car with him or for other road users when he is on his own. I can't decide if he is 'shite', or it is eyesight related.

my boss is a [u]fast[/u] driver. i get around this by scheduling important things around any meetings i need to attend with him so i get to go in my own car at my own pace.

the other option is to let his tyres down and offer to drive yourself

refuse to get in a car with him driving and explain to your bosses why

In this case he is the boss / owner of the company wasn't he? Might be a long walk home 😆

He has a company credit card but I don't so when we go together he will normally be driving.

he pays you drive.

simple?

Ah

Hmmm, awkward one that one. I'd go down the anonymous shopping him route, personally. No point jeopardising your position at work over it if there's another way and you feel it's that bad.

wwaswas - Member

I bet you felt smug and 'I told you so' after that s

Funnily enough, yes at the time, but no in the end!

The boss who was very good at his job, went off sic with wiplash & stress & the owners son took over!

I ended up leaving being kicked a month latter, all got quite messy tbh

Surely if it is a small company and you report directly to them can't you simply say something along the lines of

'Without wanting to cause offence, I really don't feel safe as a passenger in a car when you are driving - would you mind if I drive to meetings separately or alternatively you could hire the car in my name and I will drive.'

[i]or [/i]

'How about getting a train/bus/plane/hovercraft next time - then we can plan for the meeting on the way too.'

[i]or[/i]

If you travel abroad lots could you get a deal with one of the airlines that do pick-up/collection chauffeur services? Etithad do it I believe so I am sure plenty of others do too.

you have no option other than to kill him*, or at least set fire to his hair

*I'm not a trained doctor

"This is a small company and you can't afford to have two key members of staff in hospital following an RTA caused by your reckless driving so either slow down, let me drive or hire a separate car for me. No offence, like."

should do it?

next time get in the car wearing kneepads, elbowpads and a full face helmet. if he asks tell him its a precaution

I'd be blunt. Why pander to his feelings? Just say 'I'm not getting in a car with you again, your driving is a nightmare'. If he gets offended, he can fix the situation easily enough - take more care.

I once accepted a lift from a colleague who was the lovliest little old (ish) lady you could imagine. Quiet, super nice, West Wales accent, cardigans, the whole deal. Behind the wheel she was an absolute animal. She basically floored it constantly until something forced her to brake hard. Her 1.3 Fiesta topped 100mph on the M32 several times before coming up behind other traffic.

Do you have any HR or legal people, either in-house or external?

Lots of companies are revising rules about cars and their use, and going out of their way to minimise their risks under recent corporate manslaughter legislation. Ours has recently been revised, no phone use in car at all, anyone on car allowance or in company cars, or who hires them for their work has to do a driving assessment, etc. If you're not doing that then it would be a very opportune time to suggest that the company does, if you don't want to shop him explicitly.

If that's not an option then just being straight with him would be best - that you're concerned about his eyesight and/or standard of driving, and would prefer to either drive yourself next time or travel separately.

Ask him if he's ever thought about re training as a cruise ship captain.

Sit in the middle of the back seat with several airbags inflated around you and extra harnassing - hopefully he might get the point.

Used to work and travel from time-to-time with a fella who had a Golf GTi. I had a bit of a reputation as a fast lad because of my motorbikes and whenever we went out he would always try to prove that cars were faster than motorbikes - specifically his car was faster than any of my motorbikes.

We were out one fine day on a twisty A-road and I remember him saying "Watch this"

And yes he rolled it.

If it's any help, one of our directors is Death On The Roads and if we go out I gently offer to drive.

When this has happened to me in the past, I've simply refused to be a passenger for any shared journey. I worked with a girl who's driving reputation preceded her. Could she really be that bad I wondered? She made it (just) up one stretch of dual carriageway before I made her pull over and switch. Bottom line with this stuff is that they are risking your life, their's and others. I'd rather be viewed as undiplomatic or difficult than dead.

I've done a lot of hitch hiking and been on board with some lousy drivers. It worried me till I realised that I share the road with these drivers whether I'm in the same car as them or not. It doen't matter if I'm sitting next to them when they overtake dangerously or I'm in a car coming the other way. Now I just pretend to doze off so they've got no one to distract them or impress.

It doen't matter if I'm sitting next to them when they overtake dangerously or I'm in a car coming the other way.

Wrong 🙂 Statistically speaking, when you're in their car, you're interacting with a dangerous driver 100% of the time. When you're driving, it's less than 100% (unless ALL drivers are equally bad 🙂 One for TJ, methinks...) so you're at lower risk 🙂

It worried me till I realised that I share the road with these drivers whether I'm in the same car as them or not

Er.. if you are in a car with them then you are sharing the road for the duration of your journey, possibly several hours. If you are in a different car you only share the road with them for a few seconds.

Just offer to drive, and if he doesn't 'bite' - say why, carefully.

I went once in a car with a chap i worked with who had had a stroke(cva) paralysed down left arm and disphasic speech,he could only drive with one hand/arm and somehow he managed to change gear on a manual , it was like being on the titanic, just waiting for a crash,when i brought it to the attention of my boss she said but you dont drive so how can you compare his driving to your own, womens applied logic failure i think.

I'm with ART on this one.

I'd refuse to be a passenger and if he's offended then he's offended.
If you have a serious accident, which seems to be just a matter of time, then you'll kick yourself (assuming you still have your legs 🙂 )

i work with 2 foreign nationals that ill never get in a car with again unless im driving !

i do not need to read the chassis numbers of the car infront.

one of them performed 3 emergency stops in 6 miles !

I used to travel to Germany every 3-4 weeks and it was a 2hr transfer from the airport to the factory. The company used to send the same taxi which was driven by a guy who, I swear, worked 24hrs a day, he would frequently doze off whilst doing 100-110mph. The only way to keep him awake was to engage him in conversation, it certainly did wonders for my German.

stop being such a big girls blouse. it's got air bags.

Are you often a passenger with other drivers?

99% of the time I'm in a car it's me who is driving and when someone else is driving I usually feel uncomfortable with their driving but I put that down down being in the passenger seat and having a slightly different view.

Encourage him to bring his granny along on trips. You are statistically less likely to crash when you have an elderly female relative in the back seat.

It's a shame it has to be such a thorny issue though, critiquing someone's driving is pretty much the only thing more taboo than criticising their parenting skills. I don't think poor/fast/aggressive drivers realise how many friends and opportunities they loose. I have pool of freelancers that work for me, but no matter what their professional skills, and even though driving isn't part of the job- if I don't like the way they drive I find myself skipping past them when putting calls out for crew.

A few years ago I offered to drive when going to an early morning meeting with a colleague as I knew he usually spent his evenings stoned out of his mind and I wanted to ensure we got to the meeting safely. He also had a reputation for driving like a plank.

Said colleague promptly got into my car and decided he would criticise my driving at every available opportunity. After missing a turn off because he distracted me by going on about how crap everybody else was at driving compared to him I decided enough was enough. I pulled a hand brake turn to make a 'directional adjustment'. It was on a busy street and proved quite effective; he didn't say a word for the whole of the return journey. We also got to the meeting on time. Bad driving can work wonders sometimes.

Encourage him to bring his granny along on trips. You are statistically less likely to crash when you have an elderly female relative in the back seat.

Unfortunately his granny will be long gone. Even mine are no longer available for such duties... ...nice idea though.

It's a shame it has to be such a thorny issue though, critiquing someone's driving is pretty much the only thing more taboo than criticising their parenting skills.

you've probably hit the nail on the head there.

Are you often a passenger with other drivers?

reasonably often (long taxi rides to and from airports in foreign countries, travelling with the wife, travelling with friends to go biking, travelling with other colleagues). Some of them are "interesting" but I don't think I ever remember being in a car with anyone who seemed so unaware of the other traffic around him.

I'd refuse to be a passenger and if he's offended then he's offended.

mmm... not sure - if he's offended I might be out of a job.

Do you have any HR or legal people, either in-house or external?

Lots of companies are revising rules about cars and their use, and going out of their way to minimise their risks under recent corporate manslaughter legislation. Ours has recently been revised, no phone use in car at all, anyone on car allowance or in company cars, or who hires them for their work has to do a driving assessment, etc. If you're not doing that then it would be a very opportune time to suggest that the company does, if you don't want to shop him explicitly.

no this is a company with less than a dozen people - access to the lawyers is all through him, and so whilst I know of some big companies who do as you do (often driven by trying to keep insurance premiums down - which doesn't apply to us as we have no company vehicles) - in these times of austerity I can't imagine convincing him that it helps the business to be spending money on this stuff - he presumably doesn't perceive a problem or he would offer to book the car in my name; either that or my driving scares him so much he can't bare it!

I'm going to see if the DVLA website has any information on warning them about other people who may no longer be fit to drive, then I'll make sure long enough passes so its not obviously the scary driving this week that triggered any enquiries.

Unfortunately his granny will be long gone. Even mine are no longer available for such duties... ...nice idea though.

Hmmmm, maybe its hearses I'm thinking of, with the old lady in the back - they go pretty slowly, it would explain why there would be fewer accidents. Not so many hearses available to hire from airports though

anyone on car allowance or in company cars, or who hires them for their work has to do a driving assessment, etc. If you're not doing that then it would be a very opportune time to suggest that the company does, if you don't want to shop him explicitly.

See if there is any literature published about this, some mailing lists perhaps, order some in his name, or at least leave it lying around

Watch the film "Horrible Bosses" - there's some great ideas in there.
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Maybe suggest that the firm sponsors an Advanced Driving programme and he could take first go?
You can go down one of 2 routes - the first that many have suggested will not improve his driving - even if you are not in the car his driving will always be poor.
The 2nd is to try to improve his driving, or at least get a professional to point out his shortfalls.

(I had a new recruit whose driving was awful - I put him through an Advanced Driving course and after 3 days proper tuition his driving is now acceptable. Wasn't cheap but then accidents often cost more!)

Just think how much you'd regret it if you said nothing and ended up in hospital...

I agree there's a risk he'll be offended but he can't sack you for that if you're sensitive about the way you do it. Talk about it being your preference as you're not comfortable rather than saying his driving's poor.
Keep notes of the conversation you have so that if he does sack you then you can go for the constructive dismissal route.

And if he really is that bad you could be saving his life, and someone else's - he may not have realised how dangerous he is...

Question:

How will telling him his driving is poor make him improve? It's far more likely to make him defensive and it will be difficult to make the conversation constructive.

Going down the "we should improve our standard of driving within the company to lower insurance premiums blah blah" is far more likely to get him the help he needs without actually telling him he is crap.

Just think how much you'd regret it if you said nothing and ended up in hospital...

mmm... yes but I have to balance that against the possibility that I say something and then find myself unable to pay my mortgage! So whilst I find his driving bad (and possibly getting worse) the statistical evidence would be that in the last 2 yrs I have been here, he probably drives a couple of hours a week and as far as I am aware has never had an accident - certainly not a serious one.

I agree there's a risk he'll be offended but he can't sack you for that if you're sensitive about the way you do it. Talk about it being your preference as you're not comfortable rather than saying his driving's poor.
Keep notes of the conversation you have so that if he does sack you then you can go for the constructive dismissal route.

you've never worked in a small company have you! Firstly its very unlikely that you can comment on anyone else's driving without causing some offence. I can't imagine many people being anything other than defensive (unless they already believe they are crap). This is someone I work with on an almost daily basis (but fortunately travel with him much less!). He (like many small business owners) also is quite good at holding a grudge. Proving constructive dismissal is notoriously difficult, and in the meantime it doesn't pay the mortgage. In the current ecconomic climate getting fired and fighting a tribunal is probably not a good way to keep paying my mortgage. Whilst my family don't want me in hospital (I presume) they also want a roof over their heads so its not simply a case of "speaking up".

Going down the "we should improve our standard of driving within the company to lower insurance premiums blah blah" is far more likely to get him the help he needs without actually telling him he is crap.

Yes if we had a company vehicle insurance policy that would be a sensible approach, but as there are no company vehicles there would be no saving to the company from such a scheme. I don't think any of the other people in the company are particularly poor either - otherwise I could potentially present it as "John's a bit dodgy isn't he, can we all do the training, and you can lead by example"...

What do your colleagues think / say?

Its a difficult one given the situation but if its really that bad but shopping him to the DVLA does nothing then somehow yo have to tell him even at risk to your job. Job or health?

TJ, I'll maybe start wearing me helmet in the car!

One other person has commented to me on it. Not sure how many have been driven by him, I'll do some asking around tomorrow.

I've asked DVLA what mechanism exists to advise them.

Get a cab?
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3d5zs_mini-cab-trigger-happy-tv_fun
Maybe not...
(sorry, can't embed it as ch.4 has got all legal at Youtube)

But seriously, offer to drive next time and suggests he nominates you as the driver next time he books the car. Sounds more like lack of experience/confidence and you may find that he jumps at the chance of you driving as he feels self-conscious.

How about saying you are a very bad passenger and would find it much easier if you drove?

How about saying you are a very bad passenger and would find it much easier if you drove?

I prefer to drive than be driven anyway, as I get a bit of motion sickness if I'm a passenger. Maybe just tell them you'll puke over the dashboard if you don't drive.

Don't do nothing.
We had our suspicions about an employee and was waiting for the right moment (whatever that might have been) to say something. He is now recovering (slowly) after a serious car crash. It was very close to being disasterous for him. Thankfully no-one else was involved.
We are all going to be paying for this for a while......