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I thought this was going to be a niche razor thread 🙁

Do you have anger issues?

Van screeches to a halt next to my left knee and driver claims its ok cos he saw me just in time.

Well it was ok, wasn't it? ...as he didn't hit you?

maybe due to the fact i tried to climb through his window!

Why? Need more details to this story...how did he lose his wing mirror?

:edit: oh was that you that knocked his mirror off 😯

[i]Do you have anger issues? [/i]

I thought he'd put all those behind him after running out in the street and threatening someone with an axe.

This might not end the way you thought it would 🙂

The life of a winter cycle commuter eh?

No high horse here, you got angry because someone nearly seriously hurt you due to their negligence.

Understandable.

The life of a winter cycle commuter eh?

😀
A driver last week slowed down as she passed last week, wound down the window to tell me to get off the road and use the (more dangerous) cycle path, then sped off. Doing that 800m before a set of traffic lights though is a beginners mistake 😀

did you rip her wing mirror off and try and climb in the car?

Do you have anger issues?

If it happened as the OP states, I think anyone in that situation would be quite rightly peeved

i tried to climb through his window

Take a step ladder next time?

Given your name op,
short man sindrome? 😀

[i]If it happened as the OP states, I think anyone in that situation would be quite rightly peeved [/i]

You're not wrong, it's just that the OP has previous when it comes to this sort of thing.

I predict this not ending very well for you

Muddydwarf in mid commute

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Nice one OP. Despite the haterz, I'd prob have done the same (I have in the past!).
Most motorists don't tend to argue with a 6'5" MTB'r who's going off on one!

Meanwhile, the van drivers boss is contacting the police to report criminal damage to his property...

So you had a near miss but the driver saw you in time and avoided you.

You then smashed off his wing mirror and attempted to assault him.

Nice work 🙄

you ripped his wing mirror off? jesus.

[i]Nice work[/i]

Agreed.

It was sarcasm.

But you knew that right ....

The life of a [s]winter cycle commuter[/s] complete mentalist on a bike eh?

FTFY

muddydwarf - I am guessing that your forum name is ironic and the van was relatively small.

Behaving like that will get you a good kicking one day. If you had done that to me I would of phoned 999 and happily discussed it further.

He didn't hit you and seems to have offered an apology.

It's your type that fuel the anti cyclist brigade.

Whereas everyone loves a van driver.

Commute much winston?

Another way of looking at it Winston; said white van man will take care around cyclists because the next one may not stop at mirrors and he won't want to take the chance.

Its mixed is it not { i know on stw we need to pick one side only and argue it to death but bear with me for dissenting] If I had failed to see a cyclist and skidded to a stop just missing them I would have apologised

Had it happened to me, as the cyclist, I think I would have said something

The OP probably over reacted but many of us would have said something to the 2 ton box driver who only just managed to avoid killing/injuring us by driving really poorly.

said white van man will take care around cyclists because the next one may not stop at mirrors and he won't want to take the chance.

How does that work?

I don't commute much but do ride on the road and yes some of the drivers are shocking. It just doesn't help behaving like that.

I agree Junkyard, I don;t think many would have just toddled off on there way without saying some choice words to the driver.

I think there's a general feeling that, as he's described it, Mr dwarf perhaps let his temper get the better of him.

How does that work?

That's just it - he didn't offer an apology, just blithely waved his hand and claimed "its ok, i saw you just in time". If he had said "I'm sorry for so nearly smashing you across the junction" it would have been different. It was the complete disregard for my safety that upset me.
I have the company name, tempted to offer payment in return for 10 minutes with the driver..

The incredible Hulk on a bike is one thing but I can't help but be intrigued by this

the (more dangerous) cycle path

Rickety plank bridge over a ravine? With bears? Or does the OP use it? 😀

Another way of looking at it Winston; said white van man will take care around cyclists because the next one may not stop at mirrors and he won't want to take the chance.

We could do 'another way of looking at it' all day...another way of looking at it, said white van man will carry a weapon with him next time in case he has another near miss, gets assaulted by a cyclist and has to 'defend' himself

saying some choice words to the driver.

A bit different from ripping his wing mirror off.

Yes, i did lose my temper - but id be interested to see how many off you wouldn't in the same circumstances. Ive commuted by bike for over 25yrs and this is the one that has REALLY scared me, considering not riding to work again now.

PS - i didn't rip it off, i punched it off. Just to be precise.

I have the company name, tempted to offer payment in return for 10 minutes with the driver..

muddydwarf, earlier...

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Or the white van man is currently discussing with police why he has just knocked a cyclist off her bike that was coming up his inside.

"Sorry officer, I didnt see her because some idiot on bike smashed the mirror earlier today whilst trying to assualt me!"

FFS he MISSED you and you still cause criminal damage to the vehicle. Only one word to say. PRAT.

PS - i didn't rip it off, i punched it off. Just to be precise.

I don't believe you.

Muddy Dwarf going to work.

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[i]The OP probably over reacted but many of us would have said something to the 2 ton box driver who only just managed to avoid killing/injuring us by driving really poorly.[/i]

No really - we should just wave and smile and say "Maybe next time eh buddy?" and let them do what the **** they like on the roads. It's going well so far.

I personally would have done the same... I get pissed off when people try to pass me with less than a foot gap between me and them, they can see me, but are not taking my safety in to account much. So this is pretty much similar, he JUST seen you in time. Not really acceptable is it? Fair enough, miss by an inch, miss by a mile. But when it's my legs that are at risk, yes I'm going to want to slap you upside the cheeks.
Shame you are a dwarf and couldn't get through the window really. 😈

this is how it really happened:

white van man narrowly avoids hitting dwarf sitting at traffic lights on a bike.

dwarf: "I'm not Happy"
wvm: "which one are you then?"

Dwarf kicks off

A bit different from ripping his wing mirror off.

It's just a wing mirror. As described, it was nearly the OP's life.

Now stop trolling.

(Or has STW morphed into dickheaddrivertrackworld again?)

🙂 @ feenster.

To be fair, the whole story is probably a mixture of exaggerated and made up anyway.

Are you suggesting everything on the Internet is not real

BURN THE WITCH

The frequency of harassment of cyclists at the moment is pretty intolerable if you're riding regularly - several times a ride it's either a close pass, beeping horn, pulling out, shouting etc

It's very very hard to put up with this time and time again and very scary. I'm really losing confidence that I can come home unharmed unless I'm very very alert. Feeling there's little chance I can do anything about stopping it, or getting the perpetrator punished isn't great either

It is your life or serious injury you're talking about here, not mild inconvenience or a bit of banter...

A driver last week slowed down as she passed last week, wound down the window to tell me to get off the road and use the (more dangerous) cycle path, then sped off. Doing that 800m before a set of traffic lights though is a beginners mistake

Similar thing happened to me a while ago except it was two lovely ladies in a convertible Beetle - with the top down and I had a full bottle 😀 Don't even think the traffic lights were more than 100 metres away

It's just a wing mirror.

So are you short or not?

Was the offside mirror BTW.

I'm now at a point where i don't want to ride back home, this has really, really scared me. That feeling of utter helplessness and terror as i heard the van tyres sliding keeps coming back.
I'm not ashamed to admit at that point i almost physically wet myself. Its brought home to me exactly how worthless i am seen as when riding a bike during the commute, he was more upset about his mirror than the fact he very nearly seriously injured another human being - and that the standard of his driving was perfectly acceptable as far as he was concerned.

yes, I'm short 🙂

Think I'll leave the bike here at work 🙁

You been to get your broken hand looked at yet?

Knocking off a wing mirror actually makes it more dangerous for all other cyclists on the road though, seeing as the driver now has a massive blind spot.

This assumes that the driver used his wing mirrors in the first place, which given the standard of driving reported in this case, is doubtful.

It also makes it illegal to drive the vehicle, so the driver should head to the nearest garage to get the damage repaired, thus meaning that he will be off the road, and therefore not endangering cyclists.

[i]Stopped at the lights this morning, right turn lane. Hi viz, lights plural, reflectives.
Van screeches to a halt next to my left knee and driver claims its ok cos he saw me just in time.
Hope explaining to his boss why the company van has a missing wing mirror is ok too.
Driver refused my offer of discussing it further, maybe due to the fact i tried to climb through his window! [/i]

Sorry what happened, I don't understand. A van stopped beside your left knwee?

[i]I'm not ashamed to admit at that point i almost physically wet myself.[/i]

As opposed to what, almost mentally wetting yourself.

How can you 'almost wet yourself', you either do or don't.

was it this white van, driven by a semi blind overweight,middle aged muppet, badly.

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was it this white van, driven by a semi blind overweight,middle aged muppet, badly.
Nah -[i] he[/i] was on a bike

Loosing your temper - fair enough.

Attempted assault & damage to property, no, I don't do either.

GaryM - i was in the third lane/right turn feeder lane from a dual carriageway at a right hand junction.
Light was on red, i was stopped at the white line in the centre of the lane waiting for the lights to change.
The van driver came down that right hand lane, failed to see me in time and had to make a panicked swerve to his left (Central reservation to the right) and came to rest halfway into the next lane and up against my left knee.
I was stationary throughout.

Ah right, so you broke the mirror off the van. Excellent work. Must be great to be perfect.

if you were at the white line and the light was red it seems to me he failed to see the red light, not you?

Possibly, but i was stopped at thr red light and lit up with two red flashers myself.
Never claimed to be perfect Gary..

up against my left knee.

next to my left knee

Make your mind up.

Ah right, so you broke the mirror off the van

Only he didn't. He's lying/exaggerating.

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Think a lot of people need to do this....

Christ.

Am i lying mr Winston ?
i punched the mirror, the glass broke, the housing shattered and the assembly fell off the van to hang by the wires.
Is that lying? Or are you a professional nitpicker?

i punched the mirror, the glass broke, the housing shattered and the assembly fell off the van to hang by the wires.

That would take some force. You also never injured yourself. And this ferocious blow was performed whilst on your bike. Hats off.

Nothing adds up though.

The van driver came down that right hand lane, failed to see me in time and had to make a panicked swerve to his left

How did you see him? If it was me I would of been watching the lights, probably the ones on the oncoming traffic waiting for it to change to amber to give me the heads up and a make a quick getaway.

are you a professional nitpicker?

You needed to ask that on STW?

That would take some force. You also never injured yourself. And this ferocious blow was performed whilst on your bike. Hats off.

Seems to take very little force in fact.

I find it difficult to remain calm when a negligent motorist has come very close to wiping me out.

Do mirror not usually bend beck when you knock them?

What kind of van was it?

Do mirror not usually bend beck when you knock them?

The one in the video smashes to bits and falls off.

how many punches to get the mirror off?

My mirrors bend back or in when hit.

[i]My mirrors bend back or in when hit. [/i]

mine bend back if hit from the front, they don't bend forwards if hit from behind.

Obviously means that every single mirror on every single vehicle in the whole world ever will do the same every single time.

While not condoning muddy's actions I find myself clearly able to understand them and incredibly frustrated and angry with the can driver.... And the 'law' in this instance. I'm not suggesting handing out summary ' justice' should be legal, rather that drivers shouldn't be able to be such ****s and not offer an apology. It is the unfortunate reality that taking a more polite and restained approach to reasoning with such drivers rarely works....I was reminded of this last week after attempting it with a black cab driver on Lambeth bridge who had just forced me out of a cycle lane and made me mount the pavement to escape. I started the conversation politely.... It didn't stay that way long.

Glad you are still alive Muddy, and hope this is the end of the incident.

[i]My mirrors bend back or in when hit.[/i]

You'll be just as safe annoying cyclists when driving as you are on here then.

Small van, think it was a Vauxhall but not sure.
I did see him at a distance pulling into the feeder lane about 100yds back, then turned to face forward to watch the lights.
next time i see him he's coming to a rapid halt on my immediate - VERY Immediate - left.
Surprisingly easy to break the mirror assembly as well.

The 10's of car mirrors on Histon Road in Cambridge that used to get broken off on a regular basis on a Friday night due to drunks staggering home would attest to the fact that it's not that hard to break a wing mirror off a car.

I think I'd have been pretty annoyed in muddydwarf's position.
If there had already been a car to his left at the lights, the chances are the van would have driven into him as he wouldn't have had an 'escape route' to the left. Not sure I'd have knocked his mirror off though, but hey ho - we don't always react rationally in the heat of the moment.

don't stop riding - you said yourself this is the first time you've felt like this in 25 years.

for what it's worth I'd have probably smashed his wing mirror off too.

Just ridden home after my shift - really didn't enjoy it.
Was nervous, hesitant and jumpy.

[i]Was nervous, hesitant and jumpy. [/i]

Hopefully that'll pass with time.

Even if I disagree with what you did I can understand you being upset and sympathise with how you feel now.

Maybe try a different route to/from work for a few days?