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It could hardly be clearer:
Well it could as it says to make sure they don’t go below minimum wage. A 12 weeks average will make a tiny significant difference even if you account for that hour. If the employee is a contracted in for that shift then yes that would be different.
If you cut three inches off the bottom edge of a towel and sew it back onto the top, the towel hasn’t shrunk or grown.
Well it has, you've lost a bit of length due to the overlap. You've spent time and effort doing something pointless and ended up with a slightly worse, more annoying towel as a result. And now you have to explain to everyone why you did it.
Not a bad analogy.
You mean to tell me that in 2024 sophisticated computer systems can’t be programmed to take into account clocks being changed by an hour twice a year?
I wonder if perhaps "lots of computer things would have gone splat" actually means "management believes that lots of computer things would have gone splat"? It sounds like the sort of thing "we've always done" despite no-one testing it since the 1990s.
You mean to tell me that in 2024 sophisticated computer systems can’t be programmed to take into account clocks being changed by an hour twice a year?
They can, for sure, but not all the computer systems we're using are sophisticated nor were they all programmed in 2024 🙂
I wonder if perhaps “lots of computer things would have gone splat” actually means “management believes that lots of computer things would have gone splat”? It sounds like the sort of thing “we’ve always done” despite no-one testing it since the 1990s.
Maybe, more fairly "techies who've worked on the stuff for years have a very strong suspicion that it will go splat" is more accurate, but the effort to test every single element would be enormous, and it's simpler to err on the side of caution and turn it all off.
They can, for sure, but not all the computer systems we’re using are sophisticated nor were they all programmed in 2024
Indeed, legacy IT is, er, 'complicated'
Time changes rules
Lap top, smart watches phones: Do themselves, nothing to do here
Wall clocks: minor panic when you realise you're up too early/late for work, do them all...
Car clock: Who knows what sub menu its on, stays on either GMT or BST and is right for some of the time...
Wall clocks: minor panic when you realise you’re up too early/late for work, do them all…
Car clock: Who knows what sub menu its on, stays on either GMT or BST and is right for some of the time…
Only one wall clock, and that’s in the kitchen, it gets used to reference how long something’s been cooking for, a small decorative clock on the mantelpiece, again just a quick glance occasionally, I’ve got a watch, phone and iPad, so not essential, but thanks for reminding me about the car clock - it’s in the settings on the info screen, not difficult to do, just tap a button to put one digit forwards or backwards, as appropriate, it’s remembering to do it is the issue, and it’s the one thing I need to do! [img] 
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Dark by 16.50 🙁
Shit, depressing and futile is what it is. It makes a slight difference for a week or so and then its just darkness until March comes around. I genuinely hate this time of year.
If you're getting irritated by pointless seams on towels I suggest you head over to Sewing Thread World and search for the most recent of numerous What stitch for towels threads.
Car clock: Who knows what sub menu its on, stays on either GMT or BST and is right for some of the time…
Clock on the dashboard and clock on the head unit. Of course, wholly unrelated to each other.
My last few cars just sort themselves out.
The tortoise does not understand the clocks changing.
The creature appears to have limited comprehension and does not cope with humans artificialy altering the time.
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I'm with the tortoise, I'm still on BST.
Goodness me. Just had to put watch forward an hr. International time traveler
Pity the dyslexics, their cocks turn black......................
I'm not creating a new thread for it, but just in case anyone hasn't realised...
Clocks went forward overnight, UK now on BST and sunset will be approx 1930 tonight.
The whole argument about putting the clocks back is bollocks in this day and age.
Farmers run to their own schedule.
Middle class parents drive their kids to school, and working class parents, well…
From what I understand, it’s always been more to do with energy use in factories etc - shifting the clocks makes better use of available daylight and reduces energy requirements during winter months.
From what I've read, during WW2 there was double BST, what that was in aid of God only knows.
But even though today is 1 hour less is seems longer.
You don’t have an oven?
Mine updated its self over wifi, the only useful function that the wifi offers I've found
WTAF, you actually bothered to connect your oven to the WIFI? Aren't you worried it's spying on you? <quickly inserts winky emoji> 😉
I work in IT for a major financial services organisation, and last night we basically turned everything off for about four hours*, then turned it all back on again, cos otherwise lots of computer things would have gone splat when the clocks went back.
I worked in IT for a major financial services organisation for 33 years. We never had to do this.
If they must insist on messing with time I just wish they would make the change by early March. I've been waking up at 5.30/6 for weeks now because it's so light and struggling to stay awake past 9.30pm
The joke* in Australia is that Queenslanders argue against daylight savings because:
a) It will confuse the cows because their milking times will change
Has anyone been to Nant-y-arian?
The visitors centre feeds the kites at 3pm. About 5 minutes before, the birds suddenly appear.
Not sure how they cope
Feeding time now changes to 2pm. Can you imagine the chaos if the feeders were an hour late😱
I work in IT for a major financial services organisation, and last night we basically turned everything off for about four hours*, then turned it all back on again, cos otherwise lots of computer things would have gone splat when the clocks went back.
I worked in print and graphics for years, we had the Macs for the graphics, and other computers, like a SunSparc for the platemaking system, and the only things that needed changing were people’s alarm clocks so they got to work on time! I’ve never heard of anyone doing anything like that, ever!
From what I've read, during WW2 there was double BST, what that was in aid of God only knows.
To confuse the Luftwaffe during bombing raids.
"Got in himmel, we're 2 hours early! "
*Turns around.
Industrial scale banking IT systems are a different beast to individual machines. It isn't that the clocks can't be updated while in operation it is the legacy of design descisions taken decades ago. IBM launched DB2 in the 80s. Storage and processing was expensive so a major priority of programming was efficiency. When the transaction tables were designed they used system timestamp for a unique value instead of wasting space generating a unique reference number. This was fine as systems only ran during office opening hours and the system had many hours of downtime during batch processing overnight. However, with the advent of 24 hours availablility there is an issue when you put the clocks back - it is possible to have the same timestamp as you are repeating an hour. This would break the database.
It is of course possible to change this, but it is a fundamental change to a database containing billions of rows - the cost/benefit/risk just isn't worth it. A couple of hours down time once a year is considered ok and it is actually quite handy for doing other maintenance.
An interesting article about the finer details of our circadian clocks
Honestly don't know why the Scotch impose this misery on us all.
Scots. Scotch is Whiskey. HTH.
What I don’t understand about the whole clock change thing is.....given it’s to try and fit modern life to the natural annual cycle of the sun and earth....why do we take on BST around the March equinox but wait until a month after the September equinox to move back to GMT?
Has anyone been to Nant-y-arian?
The visitors centre feeds the kites at 3pm. About 5 minutes before, the birds suddenly appear.
Not sure how they cope
Feeding time now changes to 2pm. Can you imagine the chaos if the feeders were an hour late
Nah, the kites are smart enough to post a lookout who alerts all the others when it’s nosh time! 😉
Scotch is not Whiskey!!
Scotch is not Whiskey!!
I did wonder if I had that right shortly after I posted it. I could have checked, but was confident a pendant would set me straight if I was wrong! 😁
Yes, it set me swinging!
We need double summertime. There's no use being light at 4 am but light at 11pm would be bloody useful.
FWIW I live far enough north that there's only around 0.5% of the UK population further north than me and nobody I've ever spoken to about clock changes is fussed much one way or the other. It's not like we get more daylight as a result, it's basically dark in the morning and in the evening. Indeed, here in Aviemore the sun doesn't pop over the mountains until 10am in December and disappears behind Craigellachie around 14:30.
Yes, it set me swinging!
Clocks grandad, they said clocks.
The clock change did get me up early though. I’d set my phone alarm for 6 but woke up earlier so went to the toilet. My wife asked me the time and when I told her she offered me a cup of tea. Then I heard some cursing followed by the usual “silly old fool”!!
It was only ten to five, however, I pointed out that now she was up she might as well put the kettle on..
Right, well, i enjoyed my extra hour in bed. Now I've just got to spend the next few days getting around to changing the time on the cooker. I reckon I'll crack around Thursday. Probably do the clock in the bathroom tomorrow
Hoped the clocks change would help improve my sleep pattern, started well, in bed earlier than usual. But then randomly woke for an hour or so in middle of night. From ~0820 I kept waking up briefly, feeling really tired and then quickly drifting back to sleep again. Forced my self up just before 1100, but feel positively awful.
We also put the bedroom storage on full blast for first heat of season with bedroom door open, could be responsible for how bad last night's sleep went.
It was great watching the clock reach 2am to go back 1am, not much of an extra hour when insomnia is back. Still I fell asleep soon after and had a great sleep, until my daughter came in from work at 2.30am.
well I seem to have inadvertently achieved an awful lot at a leisurely sunday pace today and still seem to have loads of day left.
I think we should put the clocks back every week
Went for an afternoon run round Arthur's Seat & the Crags yesterday fully expecting it to be daylight the whole way through. It was lovely but I kinda forgot that it would be sunset!
I'm a bit weird in that I quite enjoy this time of year usually. Though this summer was so dry and lovely (and worrying), I am finding it harder to do all the extra faffy stuff to get out now.
I didn't enjoy my extra hour of work time last night.
Suddenly reminded how, in my youth, instead of enjoying an extra hour in bed, I'd be enjoying an extra hour in a nightclub. How times change...