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Interesting read on the subject from the Guardian this morning.
its not hugely surprising, but I expect the curve isn't as bad as wealth - that is to say I bet the mean output is also way higher than the bottom 10% - so most of the gap will be between low and medium than medium and high (which isn't the same as earnings). So I wouldn't be surprised if people on £170k might be pushing out double or triple the output of someone on £50k, but the £50k earner might be outputting 5-10x the amount of the poorest 10% - who (because of costs) will almost never drive a private car, heat a very small accomodation a minimal amount etc etc
someone on 170k is unlikely to be consuming any more food (or a significantly more meat-rich diet) than an average earner, nor are they likely to drive a significantly different number of miles, they might buy more expensive clothes, but will they buy more of them? no idea. They are likely to fly more though
You have to be extremely cynical about these published reports. There are plenty of companies who are paid to produce bent reports, presumably by the car industry.
As we speak my wife has gone to Vegas for two days. She has to go, but doesnt want to. Mad isnt it!?!
I dont like flying generally, but will if pushed. Its not the actual flying I hate its the whole airport bullsh*t I hate. As a family our best holidays are UK based or European active holidays. We drove to Switzerland in the summer mtb'ing and we all loved it. Greek beach holidays in 40+ temps, we all hated. wife is half Greek so feels the need sometimes..
Add to this one of my son's is a bit Tourette's so cant halp talking about bomb's in airports (and Nazi's whilst in Switzerland surrounded by German's), which is always fun. My wife used our Sunflower Lanyard on her last visit to see her dad which helped
Proving you prefer an echo chamber to considering alternate viewpoints.
We do consider them. We just don't agree with them.
You have to be extremely cynical about these published reports.
Agreed. If you're looking at production and shipping vs use, for approx impact ratios a scan of a few reports and figures tends to give an average estimate to work with. It's just to get a 50% or 500%? level of estimate.
When hyrbid cars first came out there were stories all over the internet about how they were worse for the environment than a Hummer - with their 0.4kWh batteries.. but the stories were all derived from a single report. This looked very scientific and listed all its assumptions but there were some absolute howlers in there. Like the assumption that hybrid drivers would be very eco-conscious and not drive much, so the lifetime mileage of a hybrid would only be 100k miles versus 300k miles for a Hummer.
Misinformation all over the internet, no shit eh. Or more like, it's full of shit.
This was interesting -
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/british-airways-lobby-government-emissions-booking-data-jet-zero-climate-change/
up to 60% higher impact per passenger mile from BA than others. More space for passengers, less efficient planes etc. I didn't think it'd vary that much (which is why BA don't want the figures published)
up to 60% higher impact per passenger mile from BA than others. More space for passengers, less efficient planes etc. I didn’t think it’d vary that much (which is why BA don’t want the figures published)
to be fair, that's compared to norwegian, who were running 100% brand new planes (BA were on creaky old 747s at the time) and priced so cheaply that they would fill a plane every time, and then go bust. I imagine that if you compared BA to other full-service airlines (like virgin) the numbers would be a lot closer.
to put it in perspective, BA's old a318 (that only ran business class) would seat 32 passengers, whereas a normal (economy) a318 would seat over 100 passengers - so you're going to be running at something like 250% higher for that route alone.
At what point does an activity become low enough in its pollution generation for it to be an acceptable leisure activity?
Simple, if you were allocated a sustainable carbon footprint budget for the year (IIRC it's about 3tones) then you have the options of:
Drive a car (~1500kg/year)
Take a foreign holiday (1000kg)
Heat your house with gas/electric (1500kg/year)
Eat meat (1500kg/year)
Be veggie but not vegan (500kg/year)
Buy a new bike 165kg
Then you can pick and choose which ones you want.
There's a clue in that list as to why global warming is out of control too.
to be fair, that’s compared to norwegian, who were running 100% brand new planes (BA were on creaky old 747s at the time) and priced so cheaply that they would fill a plane every time, and then go bust.
Detail I didn't know and why BA may be against the report - still, interesting to me that flights can vary in MPG like cars and car brands, which is kinda obvious thinking about it. And I would compare it if booking.