[Closed] Clean eating - do you? Should we?

Dunno, it's about a gazillion words of nothing... nothing in there actually tells me what 'clean eating' is...

However, i doubt it's pizza and steak along with beers, so i'm guessing i'm a No..

Another load of old rubbish designed to lighten the pockets of the gullible as demonstrated in the Horizon programme.

Balanced diet here.

According to the news this morning jacket potatoes now kill you.

Basically its eating non- Processed foods to avoid hidden fats etc, on the basis if you cant kill, pick or grown it dont eat it aka eating naturally.

Wellness! I thought that was a word that was 'eingedeutscht' didn't realise it was actualy part of the English language. Yuk! 😉

[i]There are many toxic layers to the wellness phenomenon. It is no coincidence that the faces of wellness are unfailingly young and thin, overwhelmingly white and all the talk of purity against that backdrop of privilege leaves a rather unsavoury taste in the mouth. [/i]

What....the....actual.....****? What an utter steaming pile of shit that article is from start to finish.

Kryton57 - Member

Basically its eating non- Processed foods to avoid hidden fats etc, on the basis if you cant kill, pick or grown it dont eat it aka eating naturally.

Where do you draw the line though.

You can pick/grow/kill most/all of the things in bread, pasta, cheese, yoghurt.... but all are probably considered 'processed' in this discussion context i bet.

Does it mean, picked and then eaten in it's current form without any 'mixing' or changing of structure then ?

According to the news this morning jacket potatoes now kill you.

They probably do if you throw them hard enough.

They probably do if you throw them hard enough.

Or fired from a trident sub, sideyways.

I don't think there is anything wrong in steering your diet away from processed foods as much as possible.

Or fired from a trident sub, sideyways.

Spud Missiles?

nothing in there actually tells me what 'clean eating' is.

Not a surprise, it's probably the main contention, none of the people that a lot of folk claim peddel the myth or fad of "clean eating" have mostly never used that term.

This goes some way to explain what it tries to be..

was roughly the idea that we should eat less processed food and more fruit and veg. It was about doing away with junk food, and staging a return to a more thoughtful way of eating

This programme is the normal backlash after a diet fad has been revealed not to make their adherents thinner, better looking and more interesting. Plus it's the end of January, everyone's been dry for four weeks, and trying to exercise more and they're all a bit grumpy, this article allows those people to throw their hands in the air and give up. Look for all those clean eating recipe book Xmas presents in an Oxfam near you

I don't think there is anything wrong in steering your diet away from processed foods as much as possible.

I only eat food that's been through the dishwasher.

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I had nutella on burnt toast for breakfast... I'd be surprised if I make it through the day.

I don't think there is anything wrong in steering your diet away from processed foods as much as possible.

This is very true.

You just need to define "processed".

I stopped eating bread and pasta a couple of years ago. If I eat any quantity of bread now it really has a bad effect on my stomach!

The only processed stuff in my kitchen now are stock cubes, wine, beer and sausages from the local butcher.

I still eat the occasional drunken donor kebab and KFC. 😳

It's going to be a long week, Nick.

I still eat the occasional drunken donor kebab

Wonder who the drunken donor was?

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perchypanther - Member
Or fired from a trident sub, sideyways.
Spud Missiles?

😆 😆

Unless you're killing the animal by your own hands or rip the veg out of the ground, and start munching on it there and then, it's processed.

gobuchul - Member 
I stopped eating bread and pasta a couple of years ago. If I eat any quantity of bread now it really has a bad effect on my stomach!

Chance there that you're coeliac.

^^ He may be. We could make a[url= http://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/vegetables-recipes/smashed-celeriac/ ] lovely mash[/url] out of him if he is..

DrP

deadkenny

Unless you're killing the animal by your own hands or rip the veg out of the ground, and start munching on it there and then, it's processed.

Your just being pedantic. There's a massive difference between this

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Chance there that you're coeliac.

Unlikely. Most people experience bloating and discomfort if they reintroduce bread into their diet after abstaining for a bit.

There's bread and there's bread, most supermarket bread is made using the Chorleywood Process, this results in a very different product to what you get if you make bread with just flour, yeast, salt, water and time. Have a look at the Real Bread Campaign web site.

The way I see it is that if you're making things from fresh ingredients then you know whats in them and so can make better informed decisions on what you're eating. This means you, in theory at least, have a better grasp on the nutritional values of what you're eating.

That's my take on it anyway, probably rubbish but in a post-truth world it'll do.

Unless you're killing the animal by your own hands or rip the veg out of the ground, and start munching on it there and then, it's processed.

That's not really a valid definition.

The "process" of picking, transporting and storing vegetables does not change them chemically in any significant way.

Harvesting wheat, milling it, mixing it with fat and yeast, then baking it, changes the wheat completely from it's original state.

Chance there that you're coeliac.

Not really. Used to eat plenty of bread and I still drink plenty of beer without a problem.

Just had a thought. Could we genetically engineer a chicken so that instead of eggs it laid pre-battered chicken nuggets?

Harvesting wheat, milling it, mixing it with fat and yeast, then baking it, changes the wheat completely from it's original state.

Typical Grauniad self-parody article. Just as I think they've hit "Peak Graun" they outdo themselves. 😆

The key to living a long healthy life;

Eat a balanced diet, sensible portions
Keep active (even if its just a 20 mins walk a day
Keep stress to a minimum
Don't smoke. (very important)
Alcohol in moderation

The "Wellness" industry is just that, an industry. Like all industries, it wants to sell you things you may not need, in order to generate a profit.

There's bread and there's bread, most supermarket bread is made using the Chorleywood Process

Any form of cooking changes the food from its original state, in that molecules change shape, change bonds, etc. Proteins, sugars and carbs in particular.

Just today you've got the report (or another one as it's been said before) that over cooking starchy food can cause the formation of acrylamide which is now said to increase your risk of cancer. That's from a simple process of just heating it too high.

jimjam - Member 
Your just being pedantic

Indeed I am 😀 , but also making a point about the obsession of "bad food" words.

Processed, gluten, GM, non-organic, treated, pasteurised.

Some foods involving these words are certainly bad. Many are not.

rjmccann101 - Member 
There's bread and there's bread, most supermarket bread is made using the Chorleywood Process, this results in a very different product to what you get if you make bread with just flour, yeast, salt, water and time. Have a look at the Real Bread Campaign web site.

Had a number of attempts at making my own bread recently and each time I've not felt well after. Though the stuff did taste nice.

You just need to define "processed".

I think if your food preparation consists of pricking the film with a fork, and turning the dial to 2mins on full; It's probably not going to have the nutritional value you're hoping for, and you could probably help yourself by starting with fresher ingredients.

One of the biggest dis-services foisted upon the unsuspecting public.

Possibly. At the time it was seen as progress.

It was introduced a few years after rationing had ended and greatly reduced the cost of bread. People were skint and it also reduced wheat imports.

It's a bit like the farmed chicken industry, in the 1980's chicken became a cheap, healthy source of protein. It was seen as a good thing.
Now if your chicken doesn't come from a rare breed, living in a chicken house with south facing gardens and eating a special diet, it's an evil poison.

nickc - Member 
I think if your food preparation consists of pricking the film with a fork, and turning the dial to 2mins on full; It's probably not going to have the nutritional value you're hoping for, and you could probably help yourself by starting with fresher ingredients.

Absolutely. I mostly cook from basic ingredients, although I have been known to go for an M&S or Waitrose microwave curry, as they are rather nice 😀 (though when I can be bothered I make my own curry).

Anyway "processed". Sure, the ready meal is the obvious evil. Reformed meat apparently, although is it any different to the same meat before it was reformed? (assuming it hasn't undergone the "pink slime" process to kill bacteria that MuckyD was using).

But what about...

Sausages. Nice proper fresh ones from the butcher, not mealy/wheat ones. They're still considered processed food and on the hit list for cancer recently.

Likewise bacon. I mean BACON! 😯 . Bacon can never be considered evil! 😉

Cured cold meats, ham, salami etc. Also on the causes cancer list.

Pasteurised milk/cheese and anything made from these. Do you go raw, or are you vegan?

If you're into "clean" eating, do you avoid these also?

Sausages. Nice proper fresh ones from the butcher, not mealy/wheat ones.

All sausages contain wheat or they wouldn't really be sausages. All sausages are "processed" or they wouldn't really be sausages. I still eat the good ones though.

Bacon is definitely processed. I still eat it though.

I guess I would fail any "clean eating" test. 🙂

Carcinogenic foods are everywhere. Apparently black pepper and coffee give you cancer as well.

If anyone is really interested in this in scientific terms, I recommend reading. It's a genuinely interesting read.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Defence-Food-Nutrition-Pleasures-Manifesto/dp/0141034726/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1485164578&sr=8-3&keywords=michael+pollan

my thought has always been that not all processed foods are bad. olive oil is processed, milk is processed to make it safe and so on.

It is processed foods that have the addition of salt, sugar or fat that that should set off the alarm bells . They can be eaten of course (bacon is the prime example) but in real moderation, if that is what you want to do of course...!

Weird article. Talks about the backlash against clean eating, defined as

roughly the idea that we should eat less processed food and more fruit and veg. It was about doing away with junk food, and staging a return to a more thoughtful way of eating

(Which is a pretty reasonable philosophy I'd have thought) and then uses a bunch of horror stories about totally different things to back it up.

Anyway personally I think there's nothing wrong with some dirty chicken nuggets once every few weeks, lots of fresh fruit and veg otherwise, maybe watch the carbs a bit, don't sit on your 'arris all day. You won't look like Joe Wicks but you shouldn't be in too much of state either.

According to the news this morning jacket potatoes now kill you.

I really want some chicken nuggets now

Ruby Tandoh - consistently angry.

I think she's looking for a gig at the Mail.

The Sun headline this morning was saying that chips cause cancer. That's me buggered then.

I was listening to a podcast with John Berardi and he was talking about clean eating. He said proper 100% clean eating is more like a past time as actually finding organic, hormone free, pesteside free food is hard work and takes a lot of your time and money.

roast potatoes mess you up too. who knew?

Eat food*. Not too much. Mostly plants.

*food is defined as something your grandma (although probably more likely the great grandma of someone living around the Mediterranean or Japan) would have recognised as food.

Now if your chicken doesn't come from a rare breed, living in a chicken house with south facing gardens and eating a special diet, it's an evil poison.

I had a debate with a friend who only eats free range, happy chickens. I accused her of being thoroughly evil compared to me. I don't care where the chicken came from. In fact the more hideous the conditions, the better.

Eating a chicken that's had a brilliant life is evil. That's a chicken that wants to live and loves life. Me, I'll eat the one that sees death as a sweet embrace after living a miserable existence 🙂

only eats free range, happy chickens.

There is an argument that farmed birds, in chicken sheds with good welfare standards are happier, as they don't have the stress of worrying about bird attacks.

Instant death from above is a reality for a free range chicken!

Are chickens even capable of "worrying"?

It's all a load of crap to sell books. People die every day and sometimes those people eat vegetables and sometimes they eat nik-naks.

I sometimes have a look down the book aisle in the supermarket and none of these dead eyed food nazis staring at me guilt me into putting back the monster munch

If I win the lottery and have a chef to cook for me, or break the 10st barrier i'll worry about clean eating. Until then bring on the pepperoni pizza.

Are chickens even capable of "worrying"?

Well probably not about Brexit or Trump but they must have a means of being aware of potential hazards. They can certainly get stressed, not sure if it's actually "worrying"?

Summary of the original article can be found here:

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/sexy-posh-girls-unveil-bullshit-fad-diet-20170123120687 ]http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/sexy-posh-girls-unveil-bullshit-fad-diet-20170123120687[/url]

Personally I only eat eggs from chickens who have been taken for a ride on a quad bike by the farmer.

My chickens knock on the door and give me the ones they don't want.

Dont worry about roasties and chips, the increase in risk is so small, on average theyll probably only a few months of Alzhrimers ridden solitude off you.

Who gives a crap. You"d be doing the health services a favour as long as you had led an otherwise healthy life.....

Ruby Tandoh

A little perspective on the burnt cancer toast / spuds etc story of the day...

https://fullfact.org/health/how-dangerous-burnt-toast/

I agree it's a terrible, incoherent article - but then it's written by someone off Bake-Off rather than a journalist isn't it? (meow, I know)

She assumes too much knowledge of her readers and doesn't bother explaining why she thinks "clean eating" isn't such a great idea.

I assume it's because she thinks it's just an old fashioned and damaging "diet" in disguise, and she also appears to conflate it with body fascism - but isn't very specific on that.

Anyway, I don't need her OR a bunch of photogenic twentysomethings to tell me how to eat healthy - should I ever wish to do so.

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