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Any mileage in it?
Any chance of mobilising the country into actually making a meaningful gesture to NHS workers. Show the government that we're pissed off with them pissing tens of billions of pounds up the wall whilst Mohn ( sp?) and her cronies syphoned off millions.
Or...
Thursday15 December... lovely
I feel the same mate but other than voting these bastards out I don't see what we can do?
EDIT: Sorry if I misunderstood? Is there a protest being organised?
Join them on the picket lines.
It's absolutely disgusting how the NHS is being treated. Clearly a rundown to privatisation and it seems fully supported by Streeting and the LP, 'the party of business'. The only response is industrial action and public support.
EDIT: Sorry if I misunderstood? Is there a protest being organised?
I just think it would be nice if a portion of the population assembled on their doorsteps at whatever o'clock on Thursday 15 December to show their support.
Following on from the utter vacuous cringe what was CfC 1 it would be nice if the public actually made a meaningful point rather than just empty gestures followed by silence when it matters.
Join them on the picket lines
This^^^
Some middle class clapping on your doorstep is going to make zero difference.
If you support the NHS then stand beside them in solidarity.
Join them on the picket lines
This^^^
Some middle class clapping on your doorstep is going to make zero difference.
If you support the NHS then stand beside them in solidarity.
Absolutely. Frankly, after the dreadful hypocrisy of clapping for key workers then shafting them since, another clap is an insult
I always thought you got the clap after a good ****ing rather than before...
I think I get it, co-opting the original government backed, empty gesture to highlight the contradictions between C4C and the way they've been shat on. I just don't think another empty gesture is what is needed now.
Maybe stay indoors and write to your MP stating your support for striking NHS workers and disgust at the current Governments efforts to destroy the health service.
It is an insult to clap for carers again.
It is an insult to clap for carers again
Surely that depends what the clapping means?
Fact is people won't go and join them on the picket lines, if people can show solidarity and support them from home I'd go with it.
It is an insult to clap for carers again
Personally speaking there is no "again". I didn't do it first time round because it was a vacuous messageless waste of time. ( which I admit it may be this time too)
Surely that depends what the clapping means?
Fact is people won’t go and join them on the picket lines, if people can show solidarity and support them from home I’d go with it.
That was my thinking. The fact of the matter is that very few people have the balls, inclination and time to trot off to the picket line to get their heads stoved in by the police. But might just summon the enthusiasm to open the back door and make a racket.
Yep, big sarcastic clap for carers and essential workers, then the nation can waddle back indoors and continue eating, drinking and idling itself into the state of chronic ill health that is a big contributor to the NHS's problems. That'll sort it.
As a now retired nurse I found the first "clap for carers" touching. Once the politicians started joining in it became patronising. I would find this idea offensive
Seriously if you want to support then join picket lines, lobby MPs, donate to strike funds
I didn’t do it first time round because it was a vacuous messageless waste of time.
I know many care workers who would disagree with that. Clue: I live with one. 🤣
For the first couple of weeks it was appreciated. After that, not so much.
If you want to help, vote Labour.
If you clap and still vote Tory, you're a raving hypocrite of the worst kind and frankly, I'd rather you just shut up.
Claps, Facebook likes and those online petitions all let people smugly think they are going something when they are not, if you don't like what the government are doing vote them out anything else is just saying I'm fine with this.
If you clap and still vote Tory, you’re a raving hypocrite of the worst kind and frankly, I’d rather you just shut up.
Agreed
Claps, Facebook likes and those online petitions all let people smugly think they are going something when they are not,
Fair point
and write to your MP
Brady has blacklisted any letter sfrom this address 🙂
He knows we despise him so isn't worried about our vote any more :-~
If you want to help, vote Labour.
PS, sorry no. Lib Dems and Greens get my vote now since Brexit
I can respect that. 🙂
If you want to help, vote
Labour.for the candidate in your constituency that is most likely to beat the Tory candidate
PS, sorry no. Lib Dems and Greens get my vote now since Brexit
If the Lib Dem/Green has no chance of beating the Tory but the Labour candidate does, you're essentially wasting your vote. I'll be voting Labour at the next election, and I've never voted Labour (always voted Lib Dem)
In your case, that means voting Labour too (from a guess of your constituency):
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Altrincham%20and%20Sale%20West
If the Lib Dem/Green has no chance of beating the Tory but the Labour candidate does, you’re essentially wasting your vote.
Only if you're unable to look past the current election. Your suggestion simply enforces two-party politics. If everyone who actually wanted to vote LibDem/Green had actually been doing so then both would be in a much more powerful position now.
If the Lib Dem/Green has no chance of beating the Tory but the Labour candidate does, you’re essentially wasting your vote.
Agreed
In your case, that means voting Labour too (from a guess of your constituency):
No. Never forgive, never forget. If they want my vote then they need to speak the truth about Brexit. Until then they can **** off.
Yeah, I get that that is a concern, but two-party, or rather possibly more accurately two-side, politics is where we are. The sooner that PR is introduced the better, but it's not happening anytime soon, indeed probably ever.
So most people are left with, at best, a choice of two candidates that stand any chance of winning in their constituencies. Voting for any other candidate absolutely registers dissatisfaction with that situation, and is 'noble' in that respect, but, unfortunately, does not effect any real change.
No. Never forgive, never forget. If they want my vote then they need to speak the truth about Brexit. Until then they can **** off.
Petulance isn't going to help. You're effectively saying "I want rid of this government, but I won't do the thing that might help to bring that about because I'm having a strop".
I can see both sides of this but we desperately need change as soon as possible. I'll vote for the most likely to win, untory candidate next time around.
The sooner that PR is introduced the better, but it’s not happening anytime soon, indeed probably ever.
Voting for any other candidate absolutely registers dissatisfaction with that situation, and is ‘noble’ in that respect, but, unfortunately, does not effect any real change.
Fine. Put up with the unsatisfactory situation forever rather than vote with your beliefs. Just don't then complain about two party politics .
Petulance isn’t going to help. You’re effectively saying “I want rid of this government, but I won’t do the thing that might help to bring that about because I’m having a strop”.
Largely true, but not completely. I do want rid of the tories, but don't necessarily want them replaced by a mob-appeasing gutless bunch of brexit apologists like Labour.
Getting back on topic (I know... fancy that, eh?)...
I think the government are in the process of massively misjudging the public mood. And it shows their arrogance that they think they can cynically switch from 'aren't the NHS staff all absolutely wonderful?' to 'these militant bastards are going to destroy the country!' almost overnight and expect the country to go along with them.
We all know that while nurses were putting their lives on the line they were in the process of transferring billions of taxpayers money into the pockets of their mates, then having parties
I think their idea is to drum up some kind of miners strike 'enemy within' scenario. Zahawi and his despicable 'by their actions, nurses are playing into the hands of Putin' is no doubt the sign of things to come.
They might be in for a bit of a surprise
Nicely put Binners
I would find this idea offensive
Awesome, I'm doing it 😄😄😄😄👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Stay indoors, stay healthy and pray for the NHS
It's currently hellish & I don't work on the front line. The labs I work in are understaffed and overwhelmed with specimens meaning a large backlog of routine stuff. We're still just managing to clear urgent cases but if it continues as it is, too much work and not being unable to retain staff (who can blame them going for an easier less stressful job for more money) the brown stuff is on its way to the fan and accelerating
They might be in for a bit of a surprise
I can only hope so but the way votes have gone in this country since Brexit I doubt it.
Largely true, but not completely. I do want rid of the tories, but don’t necessarily want them replaced by a mob-appeasing gutless bunch of brexit apologists like Labour.
Putting in anyone that isn't Tory is a move towards the end of the Tory's (as is) at the moment.
It's not relevant to me and I doubt I'd swallow the bitter pill but even a far right vote gets one less seat and a probably forever split in the Conservative and Unionist party.
My biggest reason not to is Labour preferred to hand our MP seat to the Tory's rather than accept they were a distant third behind the Lib Dems ...
Petulance isn’t going to help. You’re effectively saying “I want rid of this government, but I won’t do the thing that might help to bring that about because I’m having a strop”.
Largely true, but not completely. I do want rid of the tories, but don’t necessarily want them replaced by a mob-appeasing gutless bunch of brexit apologists like Labour.
You never get to vote for what you want, it's always who is the least worst choice from the options available. If we had PR, it would be even more so as you might get the party you want voted in, but they have to then compromise on all their policies as part of a coalition....