Anyone else really want one?
The potential €30 per month lease hire would be particularly appealing as a delivery vehicle for my shop....
They look fantastic and an amazing bit of design (only one door design etc).
Anyone else really want one?
Yes. Are you paying?
We need a link! There are a few 4k€ ones here on Marktplaats, but I suspect that's not what you meant...
I'd be very happy with one of those on the drive. I wonder if I'd get my bike in the boot...
Anyone else really want one?
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It's not quite there for me, I'm just not urban enough.
At the moment it would work, my daily drive has become 4 miles of slow, traffic filled driving which is would be 'perfect' for, even if I'd miss my heated seats etc, my business travel has become less and less for obvious reasons and I suspect most of it won't return post-Covid, but I will always need the ability to transport myself and a pile of kit 100 miles at little notice.
I think it would be great for local delivery places, the lads who work for the local Dominoes franchise rip about like Rossi on their little scooters, I feel nervous watching them.
Really though, if things like this catch on, I think they'll replace a lot of bikes, scooters and public transport rather than cars, it's a solution, but perhaps not a good one.
I preferred the estate .... very, very French
It’s not quite there for me, I’m just not urban enough.
I'm full on rural (village shop) but we do alot of sub 20mile local trips & a few local deliveries. Branded up I think it would work well as a relatively small business advert.
We need a link!
Not available in the UK (yet), and post brexit it'll be at least 10% more but even at £40 a month it wouldn't put me off to be fare.
I don’t see it as an urban car anyway… despite the reviews. You need a garage… it’s a suburban commuter car.
i would love one for my daughter's first car, and her trip to school
only downside is the bleeding big hill between us and it. Both ways there's a 15% hill for at least a mile. It would never do it
Anyone else really want one?
Errr - nope!
https://www.citroen.co.uk/about-citroen/concept-cars/citroen-ami-one-concept
What a great looking little car! Not a massive amount of luggage space and I'm generally against the "what we need is more cars" solution, but if one of those replaced each single-occupant medium-sized hatchback in standard traffic, queues would be a fair bit smaller.
I think it is brilliant.
So does Johnny. See at 18mins for the verdict.
I'm a little fuzzy on the operating model, can you basically rent it by the hour, Lease one long or short term, buy one or all of the above?
Anyway It seems like it could suit a chunk of our household's motoring needs.
My missus doesn't drive more than a handful of miles from our house, very seldom outside of town (30 limits).
The range might work for me commuting, but I'd need a higher top speed as my commute takes in 50/NSL limit A and B roads with tailgaters aplenty...
But just as a "Mobility tool" for the missus to run errands, shuttle the MIL about and me to take the kids to their various clubs and appointments on the weekends/evenings it would be a reasonable option IMO...
I’m a little fuzzy on the operating model, can you basically rent it by the hour, Lease one long or short term, buy one or all of the above?
In France euro6000 or so, lease for euro50(ish) and many car clubs use for a few euro's an hour.
I can see a dozen of these type of things emerging over the next few years - some quadracycle, some full cars but weeny (like the Twizzy, but more weatherproof.)
Is this just a modern version of those tiny cars you see convicted french drunk drivers in?
Really though, if things like this catch on, I think they’ll replace a lot of bikes, scooters and public transport rather than cars, it’s a solution, but perhaps not a good one.
I’m generally against the “what we need is more cars” solution
The thing with the other solutions is they're great on paper but rubbish in practice. If bikes, scooters, buses etc were a reasonable solution there wouldn't be a problem anymore. All those things have been round for plenty long enough (longer in some cases than the mass market car) yet they've solved very little and given up ground to the car.
Brilliant as bikes etc are, the problem is what people want, and they want personal space that's warm and dry in the winter etc. what they want is cars and the solution will be more cars that are better/good because that's where you'll get uptake and unlike human nature cars are fixable in our life time.
I do enjoy Jonny Smiths reviews, it's a good show he has.
Smaller EV vehicles are what most people should have rather than the path we are currently on. My neighbour's daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work. Her previous car (for some reason still parked outside my house) a focus 1l. Why?
The Ami might not be the car that we all need, but if Citroens model is for short distance needs and hourly rental then there are people it will suit especially in cities.
It’s like a g wizz, but it actually works.
I agree, ‘we don’t need more cars’
But this type of vehicle is actually replacing cars. Even better, it’s replacing cars at their least efficient point of use.
Would be no use for me, but i virtually never do any town driving.
Light weight should be the future imo.
Love it.
Both ways there’s a 15% hill for at least a mile. It would never do it
Of course it will. Electric vehicles have max torque at zero revs and go up steep hills fine, just slowly. About 30kmh at 8% and 20kmh at 14% for the Ami apparently.
Want of the day.....
Both ways there’s a 15% hill for at least a mile. It would never do it
Of course it will. Full torque from the outset and weighs naff all.
As Johnny puts it, this is the ethos of the 2CV reborn.
It's not for everyone. But neither is cycling and walking. And some will still need a generic German 2.0d saloon. But for every one who walks, cycles, scooters, bus, train or Ami's, there's one less car.
If the UK price is correct, it's the same price as many cargo e-bikes - I was looking at buying one of those, but given I live in Scotland, for doing deliveries / trips to the post office this would be ideal.
(edit) to add, I've had 4 Citroen's over the years including a 2CV and a 1939 Traction Avant..
Was hovering over the buy button a couple of months ago (in Italy). They look great.
Only thing that stopped me was seeing that a second hand VW e-UP is a similar price, but it bigger with more range. In our rural location that might be handy.
Friends have a Twizy as a local (rural) runaround and I think it's excellent. Bought cheap as needed some electrical work doing but seems perfect for nipping to the shops and running children around. Apparently great fun too.
My journeys are either very short, or to long for something similar. Hmmm, need to move the office...
Works for me.
28mph max speed makes it a no for me.
Milton Keynes is my local town, less than 30mph on the roads around here would be suicidal.
A max speed of 40 would make it feel more useful.
the problem is what people want, and they want personal space that’s warm and dry in the winter etc.
Precisely. When I worked locally, I walked or cycled to work, but that was about a mile away. Now, I work nearly sixteen miles away, to cycle that’s about one and a half hours, more likely two, at least, which would mean me having to leave home at 5.00am-ish for an early shift, and get up somewhere around 3-3.30am. On late shifts I’d be getting home at around 9.00-9.30 at night. Bugger that at my age!
Oh, and catching a bus, that takes at least two hours, and would involve changing part way and a twenty minute walk at each end on top.
It’s around twenty to twenty-five minutes by car...
Did he say leasing is €50 a month for 48 months? That's 600 a year. I'm sure by the time the UK catches on its going to be more like £50_60 PCM, but that's still relatively cheap.
That actually sounds like a good deal, assuming the mileage allowance isn't too low. But if you're only going to be trundling locally and happen to have a garage with a plug socket (which we do)...
I don't want a leccy SUV or a tesla, I wouldn't mind a small leccy hatch, but they still cost a shit load and an 'ami' actually seems to be a relatively efficient option for most of the same jobs, both upfront cost and resources wise (granted bikes/walking/busses are a thousand times more efficient).
I've registered my interest like a mug...
Its the most Citroen Citroen for a long time. I love it! Can see it doing really well as a holiday rental. Loved Johnny getting the drop on the Range Rover 😀
estate …. very, very French
Perfect for Mrs RNP who only works a mile away but post long Covid struggles walking it nowadays.
The only problem I see is the local ****s would tip it over/turn it round/move it when it's parked up.
You'd struggle to achieve a murder death kill with one of those badboys.
What a great looking little car!
Yup that is. But that's not what made production.
This is.
It's like a bad impression made of blutac.
they want personal space that’s warm and dry in the winter etc. what they want is cars
Totally agree, which is why we need stuff like this, perfect for the one person commute that 99% of cars are used for twice a day. Remove the vast majority of the pollution and make them safer for the folk not in them.
Would love to have a go in one and see what it's like. Looks fun.
However, would be no use to us living in a small market town as many journeys are out of town in to NSL roads. 50mph max would be good but then it'd be classed as a car and not a quadricycle so then has to meet a lot more regulations making it heavier and more expensive and then not the same thing as it is now.
I like the concept and if I didn't have a NSL road between me and the village I'd be alot more sold on it. Once at the village it's 30mph the rest of the way into the city.
That would just be a mobile chicane on the NSL road mean while it's the size of a car and looks like a car so people expect a car and to be doing car speeds.
In that respect the safety of it in a.rear impact concerns me.
The twizzy can at least do 50. I'd be ok with that - that's keeping up with traffic.
All that said I won't knock the concept it looks ideal if your in the city /suburbs already it's just that NSL road that kills it for me.
I think it looks great and will be a good thing for urban environments.
Wouldn't work for me as I almost never drive locally (live in a medium sized town but only drive longer distances).
I read a review and it send the door needs to be open to charge it though - and charged from a normal domestic 3 pin plug. How would this work for outdoor charging? Especially in urban environments where people are less likely to have their own garage with socket?
The cheapest Renault Zoe battery rental in the uk is £49 per month.
I'll definitely be in the queue for one.
I’m a little fuzzy on the operating model, can you basically rent it by the hour, Lease one long or short term, buy one or all of the above?
Citroen are hoping to sell lots of them to operators of shared car schemes, then that operator deals with finding space, charging them, billing, etc. A bit like how Devinci and Pashley make bikes for the London Cycle Hire scheme.
But they'll also apparently sell or lease them to private individuals for their own use. Doubt it'll make sense here - they'd be good as one step up from a mobility scooter (this sort of "car" is used a lot for that across Asia) but if they're legally a car here with insurance, licence, etc needed then it's not so appealing.
I love the detail of one normal, one reverse hinged door so that they can be the same part. Proper cost saving thinking there.
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Proper cost saving thinking there.
Traditional Citroen thinking. 🙂
Watched the review video and the things struck me:
1) that was a rubbish colour combo
2) it needs more lights front and back - small, slow things need to stand out. You'd have thought that they could do better now LEDs are so commonplace
3) a higher top speed would be betterer for safety - not much faster... 45-50mph would be cool.
Other than those bits I think it's great and I hope we'll see them on the roads here soon.
I think the front & rear bumper panels are the same and maybe the windscreen is the same as the rear window. It's a smashing little thing.
^the top speed is 30mph according to Fully charged.
My neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work....Why?
Maybe she wanted one....
although it seems like it according to the news, not all young people are sensible future leaders and concerned about society, the environment etc. Most are just immature ****s. 😂 If nothing else that's a sizeable chunk that could go towards getting her own place!My neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work….Why?
I have registered interest as our second car does about 3,000 mostly town miles so this would tick a lot of boxes. Even more if you could get a third seat in...
The thing with the other solutions is they’re great on paper but rubbish in practice. If bikes, scooters, buses etc were a reasonable solution there wouldn’t be a problem anymore. All those things have been round for plenty long enough (longer in some cases than the mass market car) yet they’ve solved very little and given up ground to the car.
Brilliant as bikes etc are, the problem is what people want, and they want personal space that’s warm and dry in the winter etc. what they want is cars and the solution will be more cars that are better/good because that’s where you’ll get uptake and unlike human nature cars are fixable in our life time.
People want to feel safe. On Britain's roads, that means driving. If we built the infrastructure, it would include walking and cycling. Evidence: the Netherlands.
People want to feel safe and dry
Added what I think people would rate higher.
Evidence: the Netherlands
And what's car ownership like in NL? 481 cars per 1000 inhabitants in 2017.
The UK had 488 per 1000 in 2018.
Both below EU average of 505.
Lowest level of ownership is in Amsterdam (with all that lovely infrastructure), at 25% ish. In London with terrible infrastructure its a touch under 30%.
I'm afraid your evidence isn't. It's bias.
(Belfast has the highest car ownership in the UK but I'm struggling to find a number which doesn't sound wrong - 33% is what I've seen but sounds very low. Netherlands has highest ownership in blaricum [wherever the hell that is] at 572/1000)
A second hand Zoe fits the bill ! I could live with that little Citroen. Would just have to avoid the two miles of my commute on the motorway. The rest of the 10 miles is sub 30 mph.
Peoplewant to feel safe and dryare lazy
The number of people who live within five miles of my workplace who drive there is ridiculous. It's basically because they're too lazy to walk/cycle, no matter how you dress it up.
If the Ami gets people out of normal cars I'm all for it, though I suspect around here it wouldn't because it would mean an extra car, rather than replacing a car.
Lol - you don't choose to do as I do, therefore you are lazy
For me this is the first of other options. See the Nissan Leaf or Toyota Prius for the 'one' that started a change there. This is a bigger step change, but I suspect there will be more than a few other quadracycles emerging...
A swift google shows that Seat, Honda, Mahindra, Zagato, Nissan and a multitude of Chinese companies are already working on releasing their own quadracycle/mini car products. Axion and others already have a few.
It reminds me of the cars i saw all over in China:
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I’m afraid your evidence isn’t. It’s bias.
Now look at transport use, not ownership.
"In the Netherlands, the active mode share in terms of the number of trips was 44% in 2017 and more than half of these were cycling trips" - from https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0965856417315525
And what’s car ownership like in NL? 481 cars per 1000 inhabitants in 2017.
The UK had 488 per 1000 in 2018.
Both below EU average of 505.
I own three cars..... I pay tax and insure three cars.
Across those three cars me and my wife do <10k a year. It was projected to be more this year since jnr arrived and cycling to work every day wasn't really feasable .... How ever in reality one of the cars hasn't moved at All the others done 2k and the other did 4k(my wife's a teacher so has been in work every day)
Just because they are there doesn't make them default transport for 100% of journeys. That's the culture change required.
So why is ownership of vehicles important. Looking at it the other way.... If the stats were availible...."bike ownership" ....
Or even better. Foot ownership. -admittedly foot ownership won't be 100% but a majority of folk do have em.
My neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work….Why?
Because if she had more than a mile to travel the fuel bill would be prohibitive?
In the Netherlands, the active mode share in terms of the number of trips was 44%
Yet they still use cars for about 60% of commutes, 47% of all journeys. In the UK is about 55%,60%. The issue isn't "how many people use bikes. Isn't this wonderful, it's" how many people use cars, isn't this crap ". Even in a country with a high proportion of cycling and walking people still drive a similar amount. Bikes don't get people out of cars, they get then off buses and trains.
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So why is ownership of vehicles important.
One is fairly intrinsically linked to the other.
More cars = more journeys, and in the case of NL more shorter journeys too.
So your last link there between 2002 and 2017 car ownership rose but average milage fell ?
Isn't it obvious . We need more cars .
#governmentlevelstatisitician
Isn’t it obvious . We need more cars .
With bigger engines and less cab space...
But in seriousness we need to figure out why, in a country with the highest cycle use anywhere, people are using cars more for less appropriate journeys. It's not lack of infrastructure, its not lack of "national outlook" or anything else. It's because people want to use cars. Pretending by improving infrastructure we can get people out of cars and onto bikes solves little. (Fwiw our current infrastructure would be perfectly adequate if it happened to contain a lot less cars. Cycle lanes aren't really for cyclists, they're for the benefit of motorists, and the increasing motorisaton of roads. )
The only way you'll get people out of cars is to punish use of them. I'm personally all for punitive policies for car use barring the reality the people those policies will hit are those least likely to afford them.
What this sort of thing is starting to address is people want cars but they don't need cars. It's a long way from convincing your average T5 to drive half way across the UK with 1 other in the cab so I can coast down a hill forumite let alone a petrol head, to ditch their ICE but its in the direction of actually addressing what people want instead of what we want them to want.
My neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work….Why?
She didn't buy it with the sole reason to go to work in it. She just happens to have a short drive to work. She will also use it for other reasons and it will put a smile on her face. Good on her.
The number of people who live within five miles of my workplace who drive there is ridiculous. It’s basically because they’re too lazy to walk/cycle, no matter how you dress it up.
I would drive 5 miles to work.
Walking would take 90 minutes each way and I simply don't have 3 hours a day to go to work and back.
Cycling would be an option at times but in cold and rain I would rather just get in a car
So basically nothing to do with being lazy. I actually ride a bike many more miles a year than most people on this forum do (and that is a cycling forum!) but I ride it for pleasure.
My neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work….Why?
I can't think of a better commute for a car like that. I mean I'd walk but that's me.
although it seems like it according to the news, not all young people are sensible future leaders and concerned about society, the environment etc. Most are just immature ****. 😂 If nothing else that’s a sizeable chunk that could go towards getting her own place!
Because young people have NEVER been interested in cars before now.
Anyway, back on track...
I think the front & rear bumper panels are the same and maybe the windscreen is the same as the rear window. It’s a smashing little thing.
That certainly looks to be the case, I thought it had a bit of a Porsche Boxter vibe going on. Normally I moan about value engineering but in this case it makes a lot of sense. Taking a second look I actually think the design has a lot more going for it than I gave it credit for. Just need matt moulded plastic panels and it's a winner, I'd have mine* in bumper black.
*if I could drive more than 2 miles in any direction before hitting a NSL
*if I could drive more than 2 miles in any direction before hitting a NSL
I don't know where you lot are but the nsl roads round here are either nose to tail traffic or full of old folks doing 20mph faces pressed to the windscreen before they accelerate to 40mph I all the built up areas.
30mph would be ample unless it's 5am.
That must be an England thing because me and squirellking are both in Scotland and funnily enough have the same issue with an ami.
I use an electric bike on the same road no issue. Because it's clear it's a bike and not a pretend car so it only takes up a bikes width of space and is easy to pass if speed is misjudged and thus less of a rolling road block.
Yup, the eldsters all maintain 40 round here. They'd be tailgating you all the way (but never overtaking as is their wont).
This is STW. Everyone needs a van/truck/massive SUV apparently. What's wrong with a normal family car ?
Nothing. This isn't one of those though so I'm not really sure what your point is.
I really like the comnept but struggle with the lack of storage space, doens't look like enough space for a weekly shop or say you wanted to hire one to/from an airport or train station, no space for two cabin bags
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Free MemberMy neighbour’s daughter has just got a Ford Mustang 5.0 V8 for driving 1 mile to work….Why?
She didn’t buy it with the sole reason to go to work in it. She just happens to have a short drive to work. She will also use it for other reasons and it will put a smile on her face. Good on her
But she could also have sex in an Ami (possibly), she doesn't need a 5lt V8 for a fumble.
Is she a midget?
no but she is VERY flexible (or so I hear)
So it'll be coming to the UK next spring!
And I've just confirmed my interest (£250 refundable deposit)....
If we get on with a test drive, and I can convince the wife it'll be used as a delivery vehicle for our village shop and possibly our daughters first car - as far as I'm awatlre, UK gov has currently said it's too heavy for a quadricycle so you need a full UK license to drive one.
What's the point. If you need a full UK license (which highly suspect you will) then it is just a car with a top speed of 28mph. Fine if you NEVER leave town/30mph limited roads but trundling along 40/40+ roads at 28mph is not a good move.
If the limiter was upped to 40mph for UK it would make it a lot more useable.
It would work fine for a "drive to the station" car, not that I've had to do that for 20 years. It would also work for me to pop from the village to any of the nearest towns (as long as I'm only ferrying one daughter).
@kerley We trundle along on 40+mph roads in many vehicles, this forum is dedicated to them....
Personally for me, it would be a second car that's used for deliverys and advertising for a buisness - in a mainly rural area. But in addition to that I do around 4 trips a week into town in a big heavy petrol vehicle that I could also do in an Ami.
We trundle along on 40+mph roads in many vehicles, this forum is dedicated to them….
We can dream of AMI drivers being the new object of hate on the roads. "Get outta my way!" 😆
If the limiter was upped to 40mph for UK it would make it a lot more useable.
this , renault eventually realised that with their twizzy.
