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Quick question regarding child labour..
My 15 yo niece has been offered a job in a local chip shop. She's still at school and they've offered her 21 hours a week. She's also been offered unpaid training which just sounds totally wrong to me.
Anyone clarify what the laws are? From what I've read she is only allowed to work until 7pm and no more than 2 hours after school. She also shouldn't be working in s commercial kitchen..
Lots of restrictions.
https://www.gov.uk/child-employment/restrictions-on-child-employment
Ain't gonna happen really....
What's wrong with unpaid training? It was invaluable for me when I were a lad I did months of unpaid training before leaving school and applying for apprenticeships. Gets around the issue of not being able to get a job due to no experience thing. It was all arranged through the school. Seems like a win win to me. I had a significant advantage over those who didn't do it when applying for apprenticeships.
That's a lot of hours, I don't see how she could manage that without it breaking the rules with respect to a) no working after 7pm / <2hrs and b) Not impacting education.
It's cool to have a part time job, but unless she wants to pursue a career in catering this doesn't sound great.
My sister had a part time job in a chippy when she was about that age (before the rules were as clear as now). She doesn't speak of it fondly, I think she lasted six months or so.
I have a chimney needs sweeping.
What's wrong with unpaid training?
If it is unpaid training to work as a solicitor then yeah, I get it, your value to the business would be almost nil aged 15.
But to expect a 15 year old to work for nothing in a chip shop is taking the piss - it is nothing more than simple manual work serving chips (or indeed just peeling/cutting the chips) - there is minimal training involved.
How do you expect a struggling business to survive if they have to pay wages and can't employ children?
So she will be paid to work but not paid to train?
My friend's daughters did some kitchen portering work (washing up basically) at 15
Minimal training required but they did clock in and out so were paid for all the hours they were there
Fairly sure it was illegal as in the evening on a school night but only a few hours per week
21 hours a week sounds a lot for someone at school
21 hours does sound a lot, but I do know that our village chippy employs a steady stream of 15/16 year olds. I'm now old enough to know quite a few of them via their parents.
When I was 14/15 there were a few of us at school who had part time jobs on milk rounds. A couple worked 6 days a week starting at 6am. I only did Saturdays, but I worked 4am-9am. Working in a nice warm dry chippy? Luxury!
It sounds like she'll be paid cash. I know we've all probably done it at some point but where would she stand IF something happened? Deep fat fryers, knives etc are quite high risk tools for a 15yo. I'm pretty sure the guy 'employing' her would deny all knowledge etc should there be an accident.
I'm pretty sure the guy 'employing' her would deny all knowledge etc should there be an accident.
That sounds like a very daft strategy to me. His best course of action would be to keep things hushed up and claim off his public liability, I would have thought. He has a duty of care to those who enter his shop.
Deep fat fryers, knives etc are quite high risk tools for a 15yo
Been there done that - nasty burns on a hand from bailing fat from an overheating pan into a cool one to drop the temperature and was distracted, let the pan tip and burned my hand. Fortunately the pan was full of the fat from the cool pan, not the one that was overheating otherwise I am sure I would have been in hospital having skin grafts. I reckon I was about 18 at the time.