[Closed] Chemtrails???

What a crock of....

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If I was at all worried about some chemical based national/global mind control (which I'm not), then I would look no further than our water supply.

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Ha don't get me wrong about being paranoid and i suppose if you did want to reach the masses then the water supply would be the way.... Ive never seen anything quite like it before! Maybe they've changed their fuel mix ratio or soemthing???

Just an odd thing to watch!

I shant be breaking teh tin foil hat out just yet though, i think i need a bit more convincing 🙂

Maybe you've just noticed that planes cause pollution.

What no search this shit came up a while ago. Damm overlords deleting the evidence again

Drac, given the amount of aviation traffic then surely the skies would constantly be a mass of plane exhaust fumes?

It's not the best song on the album but it's ok.

then surely the skies would constantly be a mass of plane exhaust fumes

It was quite weird they were in a grid format and just spread and spread!

Almost as if there's some sort of controller of the skies telling them where they can and can't fly, so they're nicely spaced out.

I think this bit's been covered before, it's called the Swanwick effect or something.

Google "Global dimming" and look at it in relation to 9/11 as well

You should really do other things on your day off than looking at Chemtrails, like driving vintage Ferrari's.

Maybe they've changed their fuel mix ratio or soemthing???

They are mostly condensed water, not fuel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

Drac, given the amount of aviation traffic then surely the skies would constantly be a mass of plane exhaust fumes?

I seem to remember that after 9/11 (when all air traffic was grounded for a few days) the average temperature increased due to the reduction in cloud cover (that planes cause), so they do make quite a difference. It's not exhaust fumes btw, it's condensation

It really makes you think...

The whole 'chemtrails' thing grew out of Chem and bio warfare research that DID take place in the fifties, with inert agents dispersed by a number of different routes and monitored to see how they would spread.

It was secret at the time, but well documented and all the files are there. However it clearly led to rumours, that idiots are still perpetuating today.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1740210/

"Chemtrails" emerging in circles from hidden sprayers in the ends of the propellers?

Or just air being compressed and condensing?

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[url= https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10513372 ]By TreyFitz at the English language Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0[/url]

If there was mind controlling stuff in them then surely better to be put in petrol/diesel and breathe them in via car fumes

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https://xkcd.com/966/

Houns, technically I believe we've gone the other way - rather than adding stuff for mind control, it turns out that by removing lead from petrol we have reduced violent crime.

Now, that leads to a great conspiracy theory whereby we were actually making people more violent by adding stuff to petrol, but we didn't know that we were until after we stopped doing it...

Now, if only we could turn off those cooling towers at the power stations, or 'cloud factories' as I call them.... You do realise that without them, there wouldn't be any clouds, right?

Mind control or not.....it looks a bloody mess and it's ruined my tanning for the morning!

Now, if only we could turn off those cooling towers at the power stations, or 'cloud factories' as I call them.... You do realise that without them, there wouldn't be any clouds, right?

LOL - I thought it was just me. I have both my girls convinced that's where clouds come from and they point them out on car journeys.

I should probably correct them before they get to A-level Geography 🙂

Oh and don't get me started on Wind Farms. Don't we have enough wind being generated by the trees waving about without adding to it with giant fans??

As others have said, the exhaust is very moist and will spread out. Any soot will help any moisture in the air to condense out too.

What amuses me about conspiracy theories is that very few people believe only one. And some even quote self defeating evidence about them.

I've always dismissed it as a paranoid fantasy

Quite right too. Cart on.

(Spoiler: it's steam.)

For those that mock and say it is just "water vapour"; pop along to an air display this year and watch what teams such as the Red Arrows leave behind and then tell me its just water vapour. I've never seen red water....

What amuses me about conspiracy theories is that very few people believe only one.

Yep - there seems to be a rising number of conspiracy theories that are based around [i]"I don't understand how that works, therefore it must be an evil global plot"[/i].

Once you get the notion that thousands of years of science is all a big hoax, then that pretty much opens the doors to any bizzarro explanation you can think of.

And then you can reassure yourself that you're not thick.
Actually you are really clever and enlightened because you can see through all the lies from NASA/BigScience/BigPharma/MilitaryIndustrialComplex/Aliens/Masons/DaGub'ment that all the sheeple fall for.

(See also: Anti-Vaxxers, Flat Earthers, free energy, etc etc)

@bentandbroken - please tell me you're joking?

@psycie this is a common urban myth and demonstrably false. Google is your friend here.

I've seen brown water - but I don't think it's that they're spreading

I've always dismissed it as a paranoid fantasy

that is all.

(Spoiler: it's steam.)

So my breath on a cold morning is >100C?

At the risk of receiving a whoosh parrot, Red Arrows' smoke trails are... [url= http://www.raf.mod.uk/reds/aboutus/dyeteam.cfm ]diesel smoke[/url] (with a bit of pigment to look pretty). Bit like driving a TDI with knackered injectors.

So my breath on a cold morning is >100C?

Ok, water vapour. I was simplifying.

What are the exhaust fumes like from passenger jets?

There was definitely a palpable descent of murky smog that was entirely visible after they re-opened the flight paths following that volcanic eruption in Iceland..

the sky turned from a deep azure to a milky blue within a couple of hours

disclaimer: I have absolutely no belief in the chemtrails conspiracy, but am concerned by air pollution

they've ended up covering the sky turning what was a gloriously sunny day into a cloudy day. It was quite weird they were in a grid format and just spread and spread!

@yunki - CO2 and water vapour. The hot water vapour hitting the cold air aloft causes condensation in some atmospheric circumstances.

@fasthaggis - you can't taste chemtrails because there is no such thing.

GrahamS - Member

And then you can reassure yourself that you're not thick.
Actually you are really clever and enlightened because you can see through all the lies from NASA/BigScience/BigPharma/MilitaryIndustrialComplex/Aliens/Masons/DaGub'ment that all the sheeple fall for.

Aye, that's how I sum it up... Knowing things other people don't know is satisfying. But it's also hard- and often the areas where it's easy to know a lot, are pretty niche or dull anyway, so you become a pub bore. If you want to know something exciting that nobody else does, the quickest way is to know something that isn't true. Either find some existing bullshit, or make up your own.

I live about 30km from Frankfurt airport, an when air traffic was stopped due that Icelandic volcano, it was incredible how clear the sky was for a while.

What are the exhaust fumes like from passenger jets?

@yunki - CO2 and water vapour.

There's plenty of undesirable* stuff coming out of a jet engine as well.

A few years old, but

In recent years, airplane crashes have killed about a thousand people annually, whereas plane emissions kill about ten thousand people each year, researchers say.
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Airplane exhaust, like car exhaust, contains a variety of air pollutants, including sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides.

EDIT: To be clear, by undesirable, I mean the same stuff you get from any other engine that burns fossil fuels, not mind control stuff!

There's a bit more than just CO2 though tomkerton!!

[url= http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/10/101005-planes-pollution-deaths-science-environment/ ]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/10/101005-planes-pollution-deaths-science-environment/[/url]

EDIT: beaten to it 🙂

Drac, given the amount of aviation traffic then surely the skies would constantly be a mass of plane exhaust fumes?

They're much more visible some days due it atmospherics, we get hardly any around here as the airport is 30 odd miles away and not exactly a busy one.

Yunki, bails - yes indeed. Small amounts of oxides of sulphur and nitrogen. That article you've both linked to is really bad science though. It is based on modelling and estimates and dresses up a conclusion based on assumptions.

I'm not trying to say that burning fossil fuels at altitude is good. I'm just trying to point out that Chem trails and the global dimming theory are urban myths and 'science' to prove the theories is bad science.

fair enough
I'm just like... 'eurgh, smog and pollution'
Landing at Guangzhou airport is something else, obvs not aeroplane related but 'eurgh, smog and pollution'

I'd like to take this opportunity to say I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theories surrounding chemtrails...

ninfan has a good point:

The whole 'chemtrails' thing grew out of Chem and bio warfare research that DID take place in the fifties, with inert agents dispersed by a number of different routes and monitored to see how they would spread.

It was secret at the time, but well documented and all the files are there. However it clearly led to rumours, that idiots are still perpetuating today.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1740210/

Can't see much need for airborne mind control agents, when we have media so extensively infiltrated by propaganda...

I've recently learned of [url= https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Forum_World_Features ]Forum World Features[/url]:

Forum World Features was a London based CIA propaganda operation which operated as a professional news service from 1965 to 1975. It was run by the anti-communist crusader, later European Chair of Le Cercle, Brian Crozier.

Forum World Features was part of a world wide CIA propaganda operation overseen by Kermit Roosevelt, the CIA agent who had engineered the overthrow of the democratic government of Iran in 1953.

The Australian born journalist Brian Crozier was appointed chairman of the company. He was a fervant anti-communist who had worked for the Economist and the BBC. [b]Crozier was assisted by John Tusa - later to be the main presenter of BBC Newsnight, then go on to become head of the BBC's World Service.[/b] Tusa, who was reportedly unaware of the CIA connection, resigned after an argument over editorial policy.

Wonder if there are similar outfits still churning out propaganda today?

Perhaps Chemtrail conspiracies are CIA/MI6/KGB/Mossad etc disinformation, to distract us from what they're really up to?

[url= https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Le_Cercle#Support_for_Conservative_Politicians ]Another interesting tidbit[/url]:

The Langemann Papers (November 1979) quote [b]a planning paper by Brian Crozier about a Cercle complex operation "to affect a change of government in the United Kingdom (accomplished)"[/b]. This may be a reference to the success of the "Shield" group which Crozier set up in 1976, probably with the express purpose of getting Margaret Thatcher elected, a year after she was invited to the Bilderberg meeting by Labour's Dennis Healey.

Ok, water vapour. I was simplifying.

That's what they'd like you to think!

The last time I saw footage of the Syrian conflict, there were no 'cross-hatch' chemtrails despite all the Russian jet fighters, etc.

Maybe the presence of chemtrails in our airspace is evidence of the global 'elites' taking global warming seriously.

If London flooded where would they relocate the financial industry to...Macclesfield?

Ey up, we've got a live one!

No commercial flights over a war zone, funny that. Recent events in the Ukraine might have a bearing on that, you know, when that commercial flight got shot down? Also they only appear in certain conditions at certain altitudes

I'm pretty sure outside the insurance industry no financial industry bods give a flying **** about global warming -and using fossil fuel burning aeroplanes as a counter measure does seem a bit of an odd move

Macc's quite nice, and there's a good local supply of white range rovers and orange faced trophy wives, so I'll give you that one

Military jets don't often fly at the high altitudes that civilian passenger jets inhabit. Air is colder higher up so more condensation.

watching the planes leave contrails that seem to expand out and out and out and they've ended up covering the sky turning what was a gloriously sunny day into a cloudy day. It was quite weird they were in a grid format and just spread and spread!

What the....?

You've noticed that planes make clouds. Well done, yes, they do. Why the F would you then go on to assume that the clouds contain mind control chemicals? Why can't they just be water condensed from jet exhaust? You know, like your car makes loads of steam on a cold morning. Is that mind control agent too? 🙄

Think about what you're saying.

I'm a bit tired today but I don't get the connection here:

Maybe the presence of chemtrails in our airspace is evidence of the global 'elites' taking global warming seriously.

Incidentally, the last chemtrails thread is [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/anyone-know-about-chemtrails ]here[/url].

Molgrips, try reading my post properly. At no point did i mention mind control in my post.

Others have jumped to that conclusion. I have only read (briefly) about Chemtrails from the previous post(s) on here,

The last time I saw footage of the Syrian conflict, there were no 'cross-hatch' chemtrails despite all the Russian jet fighters, etc.

Right...

So we've got the technology to disperse chemicals that can control and subdue the populace and the one place we're not using them is in war zones??

What do you think they are releasing then, multivitamins?

As an aside, Ferris-Beuller.....why have you swapped the "ue" in "Bueller" for the spelling used in your handle?

Just curious.

For the Chemtrail fans I have some magic beans, PP Gift

Codybrennan, a spelling mistake......or is it something more sinister?? You'll never know! 😉

You did post this though, Ferris:

The paranoid part of me is starting to wonder!

Don't. Stop it. It's ludicrous.

Maybe the presence of chemtrails in our airspace is evidence of the global 'elites' [s]taking global warming seriously[/s] flying a lot.

Please explain where in that sentence that it eludes to mind control?? I cant see it!!

The chem-trails conspiracy is about mind control, isn't it? I thought that was the general gist of it. What did you think it was? Are we talking about different things?

Perhaps Chemtrail conspiracies are CIA/MI6/KGB/Mossad etc disinformation, to distract us from what they're really up to?

I love this! You simply cannot win with these people: "it may all be cobblers, but that's only to distract us from the [b]REAL[/b] conspiracies..."

You tell me.

All i 'know' about it is the spraying of chemicals or metals into the atmosphere for one reason or another. Mind control does seem a little far fetched to be frank. These apparently (again from a quick minute on Wikipedia) are identified by the behavior that i witnessed. Some days the contrails seem to disappear right behind the aircraft and others, like this morning, seem to fill the sky rather than evaporate. Whatever it is, it doesn't look great.

To reiterate my first post 'I've always dismissed it as a paranoid fantasy'.

Still, it's the cross-hatch pattern that' puzzles me.

I always remember as a young 'un, being mesmerised by the vapour trails left by jet planes, but they never spread out.

That article you've both linked to is really bad science though. It is based on modelling and estimates

Do you have any idea how much science is based on modelling...

Saw this picture the other day. No more proof needed.

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Drac, given the amount of aviation traffic then surely the skies would constantly be a mass of plane exhaust fumes?

Still, it's the cross-hatch pattern that' puzzles me.

I always remember as a young 'un, being mesmerised by the vapour trails left by jet planes, but they never spread out.

Rockhopper - Member
Military jets don't often fly at the high altitudes that civilian passenger jets inhabit. Air is colder higher up so more condensation.

From the book “Flight To Arras” by Antoine de Saint Exupery, written in 1942 about a military mission in 1940:
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“Are the anti-aircraft firing, Dutertre?”
“I believe they are firing, Captain.”

Dutertre cannot tell. The bursts are too distant and the smoke is blended in with the ground. They cannot hope to bring us down by such vague firing. At thirty three thousand feet we are virtually invulnerable. They are firing in order to gauge our position, and probably also to guide the fighter groups towards us. A fighter group diluted in the sky like invisible dust.

[b]The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance created by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside.[/b]

The fighters are guided towards us by their radio, by the bursts on the ground, and by the ostentatious luxury of our white scarf. Nevertheless we swim in an emptiness almost interplanetary. Everything around us and within us is total immobility.”
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