[Closed] Chavs broken my windows.... can you fix double glazing

if people (everybody, any colour, race, age etc) just got on with their lives without fretting over the latest terminology and remembered that 'sticks and stones' then the world would be a far better place.

I'm not fretting over terminology - I just think there is a lot of snobbery at play, here and in society in general, and it's not healthy/positive. Terms like 'chav' feed into it.

And saying that 'chavviness' is not related to wealth is a bit of a red herring, it's more just that wealth/class don't necessarily directly correlate.

hard to quantify but on meeting somebody you knew when they were a bit 'Chavvy' regardless of wealth.

You mean you consider their clothing to be gaudy and unfashionable, and they speak with a strong regional accent, with ostentatious displays of jewellery or cars that you consider tasteless perhaps? i.e. they are rich but still low-class in your eyes?

sometimes at school we used the term 'pikey' but this seems exclusive to the travelling community now, circa '93 in the south it simply meant someone who was a bit skanky, a bit of a dick....pikey, chav, who cares?....

RIghty-ho, so a derogatory term for scummy, tasteless people you don't like is interchangeable with a derogatory term for gypsies/travellers - and you don't see any problem?

I'm not exactly that holier-than-thou about it - I've used these words from time to time in the past. I just think it's something that should probably be generally avoided, or at the very least thought about a bit. Seems that's a struggle for some on here though.

And mikewsmith - do you ever STFU about Apple products? You honestly seem obsessed.

And mikewsmith - do you ever STFU about Apple products? You honestly seem obsessed.

Lol there was actually a funny line in amongst all this Sh** that is getting spouted - I attempted to read a thread that ended up as a classic mud flinger and got bored so added a throw away line as a response to a joke 1 page back (probably the last meaningful comment)

I was mostly more annoyed that one of the Guardian links had a americaniZed Z in it.

For the record I will try and find a way to tag some lines as JOKE for those that are a little to into their own ranting to get that. 🙂 (JOKE)

It may have been a JOKE, but the funniest part is the way you have managed to vent your Apple-hating obsession on a completely unrelated thread (even if it was a JOKE). 🙂

Really? Never ever?

Sorry. "Which isn't [i]necessarily [/i]the case."

And those who dress/speak in a similar fashion but aren't actually guilty of anti-social behaviour never get lumped in together with those who do?

By the ignorant, sure.

TBH, the whole "youth of today" thing is a way broader issue than simple terminology. Whether we refer to them them chavs, young adults, hoodies, or the future of mankind, we've still spent the last decade or two telling them all directly and indirectly that they're worthless shithouses.

Try reading this definition again

There's plenty of definitions. Far as I'm concerned, the derogatory term applies when actions deserve it. Cf. not all travellers are pikeys, but if I were to disturb one in the act of removing the radio from my car then I'd feel justified in applying the moniker. (IIRC, the Romany definition means 'not one of us' anyway, or something similar).

Ultimately, if you're a criminal scumbag, the words used to describe you are a lesser issue than the fact you're a criminal scumbag.

Words are funny things, aren't they? Just a jumble of letters. Yet we have filters on the forum in place to stop them landing in certain orders, lest people take offence.

You crazy guys

grum - Member
It may have been a JOKE, but the funniest part is the way you have managed to vent your Apple-hating obsession on a completely unrelated thread (even if it was a JOKE).

PMSL this thread left any topic on page 1, it could have been about anything 🙂

Expecting a Thatcher reference shortly and one possibly something around turning bikes over.

Get some sleep.

bandying around the word "chav" as a derogatory insult from your oh so high horse is just rubbish, makes you look a bit thick and just one step removed from the thing you think you are deriding. stinks of insecurity to me. It's just "them" from the other side of town. Get a life and talk to other human beings!

Yep...especially when they're as funny or pedantic as this, last time it happened was a few years ago with regard to a "picolax" thread, before that it was the "badger" thread, now you have joined the greats, forever known as the "chav" thread , i guess it's almost as bad as folk trying to argue or get a point across on a web forum when for all intents and purposes they could be talking to a fat mama bear sitting naked in front of a multiple monitor set-up with sweat stains dribbling down her thighs onto the floor whilst getting off over a webcam feed bout intensive dairy farming.

I laughed so hard after reading that I thought I was going into seizures. Thanks. 😆

Is it ok to refer to these people as 'undesirables'....?

....no socio-economic group specified, just the obvious suggestion that the people who broke the OP's windows are best avoided.

I could retch at how PC that just sounded.

deviant just call them "These people" it'll make you feel better. you can gather them into a group of badness, nastiness or poorness labelled "these people" and put all sorts of wayward deviancy upon their heads. When someone trips up a granny or punches a dog, you can then blame "these people" and point at the little gathering of "these people" over there that you have no association with, then "these people" will be all over the gutter press and daily mail, next thing "these people" will be all derided in STW forum. Then they'll need a new name. It's easier to group and label people. That's how it goes..

I like that suggestion, no (obvious) prejudice implied so to speak....can i also refer to them as 'you people' if i have to address them face to face?....although trying to understand what they are saying is quite tricky as most of the time it appears they are performing a very bad Ali-G impersonation.

Now all we need is a (final) solution for what to do with these people.

Bring back hanging I say. Chav's need to be controlled and crushed from uprising against us. Get the military onto the streets to control these buffoons.

Failing that, get window mended, ignore the tools on here and put it all down to experience.

so the militant ignoramuses have to use language as they see fit, the rest of us have to accept prejudice and snobbery as part of life, and the tory conference cheers in the background.

Middle class reserve right to sneer......

Right. Just to recap. On a thread about some poor guy getting his windows smashed by [s]chavs[/s] [s]pikeys[/s] [s]middle class Chinese women with Prada handbags[/s] persons unknown, we have covered:

Social housing
Demonisation of the youth
Apple products (cheers Mike)
STW'ers ring each other to talk about this shit
Using [b]bold[/b] and CAPITALS really nails home your point
Words can mean different things to different people, and this makes different people angry
Class warfare is alive and well, both real and perceived, and healthily flowing in both directions
Disagreeing with someone automatically puts you diametrically opposite to there moral and political standpoint.
There is no middle ground.

Edit:

Just needed your input now Jamie and that will complete it .......

I would love to oblige, but that isn't really something covered in the thread, is it? If I was doing a list of STW forum tropes, then you would be bang on.

Just needed your input now Jamie and that will complete it .......

Just read all 3 pages.

Feel I've had the life sucked out of me.

Feel I've had the life sucked out of me.

A BJ first thing, how lucky .

 

MIKE CONNER And considering the Op did not actually see the people who smashed his windows, I'd guess that he is not using the term 'chav' to describe the way they looked. He appears to be assuming they were members of a particular social group.

Oh for Pete's sake. He's calling them chavs because they broke his window. The person who broke the window is a chav because he broke the window. Not for any other reason.

Or are you trolling?

Young people in this country are massively demonised, especially those that wear tracksuits and don't talk proper. If people weren't all so scared/prejudiced they might find some of them are actually nice folk.

If they we're really nice they'd get some proper clothes and learn to talk using real words. There really is nothing in the way.

Until then they can just **** off. - Charvers.

And what other social groups go round at night breaking windows? (teeters on brink of invoking Godwins)

And what other social groups go round at night breaking windows? (teeters on brink of invoking Godwins)

Kristallnacht?

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And what other social groups go round at night breaking windows?

Upper class toffs like these ? ?

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[url= http://www.bucksherald.co.uk/news/bullingdon-club-causes-damage-at-hartwell-house-1-1074449 ]Bullingdon Club causes damage at Hartwell House[/url]

[i]"....the night began to get out of hand when a glass was thrown through a window"[/i]

informative this type of thread, what may seem an innocuous turn of speech, has developed into exposing all those hidden fears, prejudices in some people, incomprehension in others and some enlightened and progressive points from those that understand the bigger picture.

So one small 'word' can be very significant, depending on context, as ever.

informative this type of thread, what may seem an innocuous turn of speech, has developed into exposing all those hidden fears, prejudices in some people, incomprehension in others and some enlightened and progressive points from those that understand the bigger picture.

If they we're really nice they'd get some proper clothes and learn to talk using real words. There really is nothing in the way.

Until then they can just **** off. - Charvers.

Wow. Well I suppose at least you're upfront about your prejudice, unlike some in this thread. 😕

what may seem an innocuous turn of speech, has developed into exposing all those hidden fears, prejudices in some people, incomprehension in others and some enlightened and progressive points from those that understand the bigger picture.

So it's okay for whole sectors of the population to be against education, social advancement, and generally respecting the rule of law and not call them on it?

I wanted to have some fun on this thread, but it was
[b]Closed[/b] when I got here.

Which sectors of the population would this be? Poor people?

Chavs?
Honestly, I think it's the people who don't know what chavs are who object to the term. It simply must be.

Anyone who doesn't dress well enough and has a too strong regional accent apparently.

I know full well 'what chavs are' and there's really no denying its a term used to denigrate large swathes of society, many of whom have done nothing wrong. There's pretty clear evidence of that in this thread alone.

I regularly work with lots of young people who many on here would snootily dismiss as scummy chavs, and many of them are fundamentally nice, funny people, who often come from poor/difficult backgrounds and perhaps were never taught the same social conventions we were. Yes sometimes they can do my head in but the middle-class kids I work with can be at least as badly behaved, in different ways.

I know full well 'what chavs are' and there's really no denying its a term used to denigrate large swathes of society, many of whom have done nothing wrong.

But the specific people we're talking about on this thread did do something wrong! They broke my windows 😡

it just keeps giving, in my life most things have layers of complexity, shades and nuances-- how sweet to be an idiot it must be sometimes

[i]how sweet to be an idiot it must be sometimes[/i]
Personally, I love it.

But the specific people we're talking about on this thread did do something wrong! They broke my windows

You aren't talking about specific people though because you don't know who did it.

My middle-aged ex-next door neighbour (when I lived at my mum's) who lives in a 17th century banqueting hall once deliberately smashed a car headlight, then spread the glass out in the car park, and tried to blame my brother after various disputes over parking. It only came to light because another neighbour saw it happen. She was about as far from a chav as you can imagine.

Round here lots of car mirrors get smashed. The perpetrators are almost always students.

EWan- but who broke your windows? you don't know i take it, it could have been some youths who are not in employment,it could have been some bullingdon style folk, it could have been a random nutter, without seeing the impact/damage- DG does break due to stress occasionally, it could have been any number of scenarios, but you chose to use a derogatory label for certain sector of society-- and the result has been far more enlightening than a broken window....

She was about as far from a chav as you can imagine.

[i]and the result has been far more enlightening than a broken window....[/i]

For who?

Lol at this thread.

Chucking stones at windows is a fairly chavvy thing to do, ergo those who did it are chavs. Clear?

Some horrible c**t has smashed my windows would have been a much less contentious title 🙄

You aren't talking about specific people

Just beacause he doesn't know who they are doesn't mean that the act wasn't perpetrated by certain individuals. And he can call them what he likes - especially if it's derogatory.

As nobody will identify as being a chav when questioned then the word isn't specifically offensive to anybody. If any chavs want to lodge a complaint, they can go seek legal advice, although the best advice is to burn your tracksuit.

But far more offensive.

Lol at this thread.

Chucking stones at windows is a fairly chavvy thing to do, ergo those who did it are chavs. Clear?

So if you knew it was drunken middle-class students that did it you'd still refer to them as chavs? As we've established it's not just people that wear bad tracksuits that smash windows.

Wasn't a stone from the gardener doing your mowing was it ?

look its ok to be ignorant, just don't expect it to go unchallenged

So if you knew it was drunken middle-class students that did it you'd still refer to them as chavs?

Sure, why not, so long as they didn't like it.

So if you knew it was drunken middle-class students that did it you'd still refer to them as chavs?

Yes.

I think Mark Twain had something had very relevant to say about this thread and arguments....

Sure, why not, so long as they didn't like it.

You wouldn't though would you, that's my point. Chavs is a term reserved specifically for a 'certain type' and wouldn't get applied to middle-class students, however they behave.

So if you knew it was drunken middle-class students that did it you'd still refer to them as chavs?
Yes.

I think you're being disingenuous now. I bet you wouldn't.

look its ok to be ignorant, just don't expect it to go unchallenged

This is what created Chavs in the first place.

I think Mark Twain had something had very relevant to say about this thread and arguments....

Nice subtle way of calling people who disagree with you idiots. 🙄

oliverd1981-- a birth date maybe ?

shouldn't you be in birmingham, with a little flag ?

[i]Nice subtle way of calling people who disagree with you idiots[/i]

At least he's being subtle.

Ewan-- you haven't been rowing with youths or people recently near your house ?

No...A charva on Special Brew boinked a charvess on MD20/20 and a little baby charva was created. Possibly with a little ignorance on their part regarding birth control.

Nice subtle way of calling people who disagree with you idiots.

Thanks. I thought it was more polite than the way I was called ignorant.

Nice subtle way of calling people who disagree with you idiots

At least he's being subtle.

It's funny how upset people get when they have their prejudices challenged. Pretty sad though that so many are walking around full of fear and hatred for large sectors of society, largely because of the way they dress and talk.

By far the most anti social behaviour I see round here is from middle-class students, yet they are never demonised like 'chavs' are. I wonder why?

Again, try reading this.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chavs-Demonization-Working-Owen-Jones/dp/1844678644

You might not agree with it but I guarantee it will make you think.

I meant rudebwoy. No-one's upset.

[i]because of the way they [s]dress and talk.[/s] behave[/i]

FTFY

It's funny how upset people get when they have their prejudices challenged. Pretty sad though that so many are walking around full of fear and hatred for large sectors of society, because of the way they dress and talk.

Anti-intellectualism and lack of ambition aren't caused by poverty and can spread quite readily across different ethnicities and classes. Demonising and ridiculing it is a good thing.

with a little flag

If it need lambasting why p**s about with a little flag? Big flags FTW!

If they we're really nice they'd get some proper clothes and learn to talk using real words.

In other words, conform to a standard you are comfortable with?

Who are you to demand that others conform to your standards? What makes you so special?

I meant rudebwoy. No-one's upset.

because of the way they [s]dress and talk[/s]. behave

FTFY

DezB - yeah clearly it's just about behaviour and there's no prejudice involved about clothing and accents etc.

If they we're really nice they'd get some proper clothes and learn to talk using real words. There really is nothing in the way.

Until then they can just **** off. - Charvers.

Anti-intellectualism and lack of ambition aren't caused by poverty and can spread quite readily across different ethnicities and classes. Demonising and ridiculing it is a good thing.

How about prejudice and ignorance?

you should come to surrey.
Loads of middle class student chavs around here. Hanging around, talking like they're from an estate in peckham and talking about stabbing people.
Then mummy/daddy come and pick them up in the chelsea tractor. 😀

I'm sure they hate me more and understand me less.

Chaver dress code and speech is an adopted affectation which should be as ridiculous to the right thinking person as a dog wearing a suit and playing trombone.

maybe they been breaking windows, copycat behaviour an' all that.

Ewan--i was not calling you ignorant-- specifically, but i have asked you some questions regarding the incident that you seem to want to ignore/avoid.

Chaver dress code and speech is an adopted affectation which should be as ridiculous to the right thinking person as a dog wearing a suit and playing trombone.

All dress codes and manners of speech are 'affectations'. Yours included. Those you pour scorn on may find your dress and accent weird/funny/stupid, and may ridicule you for it.

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Those you pour scorn on may find your dress and accent weird/funny/stupid, and may ridicule you for it.

I don't bully people into acting/dressing the way I do, I'm just acting Chavs to stop being d**cks and try a little bit harder. Sure on the negative side we'd end up with more well adjusted middle class kids looking for work instead of having our street corners being filled with very poor advertisments for sportswear... But that's a price I'm willing to pay.

Ewan--i was not calling you ignorant-- specifically, but i have asked you some questions regarding the incident that you seem to want to ignore/avoid.

Ah ok, well in that case I'll withdraw the idiot comment. What were the questions?

Those you pour scorn on may find your dress and accent weird/funny/stupid, and may ridicule you for it.

Ewan -- up the page a bit now-- regarding the damage done etc, you found an object?-- as you can tell, unless you catch the barstewards in the act, or have other cast iron means its very difficult to identify who does this, i think that's my intial point,made very early on, and as you can see its developed into a whole new thread...have you had a quote etc for replacement/labour-- i do this work, so have an insight 😉

wannabe Big Issue selling, fire risk tracksuit wearing scum

DezB - again, it's just about anti-social behaviour right? No prejudice here.

I'm just acting Chavs to stop being d**cks

The point is that many of the people you and many others dismiss as chavs being dicks are actually doing nothing wrong, apart from not living up to your fashion standards, and being from poor backgrounds of course.

Ewan -- up the page a bit now-- regarding the damage done etc, you found an object?-- as you can tell, unless you catch the barstewards in the act, or have other cast iron means its very difficult to identify who does this, i think that's my intial point,made very early on, and as you can see its developed into a whole new thread...have you had a quote etc for replacement/labour-- i do this work, so have an insight

Damage done was two 6 ft tall toughened glass panels on the porch sliding doors - both the inner panes were ok. Object was a stone, not sure which as I have a gravel drive.

No idea who did it, 12:45am the neighbour head 'drunken youths' outside mucking around, followed by a "Quick Run!". I would guess they were either walking home from the station nearby drunk or from the pub down the road drunk.

Getting a quote this afternoon.

..and anti-social behavior doesn't develop/reinforce those prejudices?
Behave this way, be treated this way. Aspire to be someone who behaves this way (wears the costume, adopts the stupid accent), expect to be treated this way.
Don't want to be treated like scum? Don't look/act like scum.

The point is that many of the people you and many others dismiss as chavs being dicks are actually doing nothing wrong, apart from not living up to your fashion standards, and being from poor backgrounds of course.

[i]DezB - again, it's just about anti-social behaviour right? No prejudice here[/i]

You can quote a whole bunch of people who I don't know as much as you like. Maybe they are just winding you and that PC berk up?

Don't want to be treated like scum? Don't look/act like scum.

Good Heavens.

Ewan-- unless you have giant gravel, that would not break a double glazed unit, two 6 ft doors -- not going to get much change out of £200 i would reckon-- sorry.

Don't want to be treated like scum? Don't look/act like scum.

I'm fairly sure that vandalising someone's windows is a scummy thing to do, but I hadn't realised that there is a dress code. Could you provide us with a description?

actually doing nothing wrong,

Wasting resources

being from poor backgrounds

I never said they were from poor backgrounds - but their children probably will be though

not living up to your fashion standards

I'm not complaining about them being scruffy - but I have to say the chavs have by far and away the least stylish uniform of any group of the self disenfranchised.

I'm fairly sure that vandalising someone's windows is a scummy thing to do, but I hadn't realised that there is a dress code. Could you provide us with a description?

seriously, some people are easier than
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did you even bother reading the posts before rising to the bait? or was your auto-offense taking sense just so highly tuned that you took the offense without having know what about?

You're making the incorrect assumption that I've taken offense. I'm simply asking for information - could you help?