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Shall we have an adult discussion about Pornography and about our use of it? daily/weekly? 😉 What do we think about the new law that from April 2018, porn site visitors in the UK will have to prove they are aged 18 or over to access adult material?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43292457
I agree that youngesters should be shielded from porn but that for me sits at the hands of the parents, they are responsible and it is way over the top to restrict the freedoms of the whole population because of it. This is a freedom that is being denied us, the giving up of our civil liberties. There's something amiss.
Looks like hedge porn could be making a comeback!
Seems an entirely pointless exercise – apparently the tool will only stop users accessing sites when the viewer types in the URL directly into a search engine and not via searches.
given at a mobile level age verification for some sites has always been there is this different? Again a huge difference between the ISP being the gatekeeper and the sites.
It's one of those solutions that will make the people who read The Mail feel better, whilst at the same time giving a lot of bright kids all the motivation they'd ever need to learn all about net anonymity or just find less regulated sites.
The sooner they realise you cannot regulate the web like you can the real world, the better.
Seems a bit late to legislate IMO.
Back in 98’ when the world of online porn started funding the birth of the internet would have been a much better and effective time to pose such a law.
As is, there remain plenty of opportunities to access whatever you like whenever you like.
Shouldnt UK Lawmakers be gearing up to form trade deals, Shirley they’d be best placed to wrap the U.K. right up tight so it squeals.
So all that will happen is people will go to the sites that don't use that tool - which is a shame as there are some quite well stocked websites on the list of those who are going to implement the tool.
Or you'll use a VPN to access from another country.
Whilst I am an avid supporter of Porn-in-the-woods I don't think this will cause a great upset.
given at a mobile level age verification for some sites has always been there is this different?
Yes.
Mobile was generally handled by the provider. They had a list of dodgy sites and you had to tick the over 18 box before you could access.
This is the sites themselves doing the checks. This has the rather obvious flaw that you need to get the sites to buy into it and also has the fun of securing details.
Dumb idea pushed by right wing puritans. I am hoping someone has a proper look at the sidebar of shame on the hate online and decides it is close enough to require access permissions.
There's also talk of having to log your details into a verification site before you can access any material of that nature. Speaking on behalf of a friend of mine, he'd not put all his details in such as site to advertise "I'm watching Porn!" so its back to the Littlewoods catalogue for him.
Thin end of the wedge imo. First restrictions something unsavoury but legal then let the restrictions creep. Classic tactic.
You bring the internet into your house business club it's up to you to manage it. Loads of software an buissness offering the service.
Speaking on behalf of a friend of mine, he’d not put all his details in such as site to advertise “I’m watching Porn!”
My friend agrees
My 8yr old is already adept at bypassing school security using methods he learned off the older kids. He doesn't really understand how/why but the info filters down just like it did when I was a teenager trying to get porn mags.
Quite how they think they are going to beat 16-17yr olds who are being driven to the dark web is beyond me!
Driving kids to a place with not only illegal and hardcore porn but crime, drugs etc. seems like a bad idea to me.
Are people that don't use porn weird?
Asking for a friend.
It just smacks of bad planning to me, surely preparation for this is the main reason that modern home PCs all have gigantic hard drives these days?
Are people that don’t use porn weird?
Asking for a friend.
Just gifted with a great imagination I guess ha ha.
Hmmm 🤔 never heard of hedgehog porn before, goes off to google.
It’s one of those solutions that will make the people who read The Mail feel better
Quite. I understand that Paul Dacre does not have a computer at his desk and therefore probably thinks that banning everything he disagrees with is simply a matter of telling ISPs what to do.
never heard of hedgehog porn before
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The big problem is parents don’t teach there kids and why should the internet be free from regulation when print media, tv channels and films are not. Everyone would agree that the internet can be a dangerous place and it is far to easy for adult material to appear. Why do we think it’s fine for the latest horror film to be restricted and not shown to kids but if it’s online it is fine.
Personally as the internet is now delivered by massive corporations and is already policed by them (why you can’t find the dark web) is it not time they are responsible for all content that they delivered. We have gone well past the days when isp were just conduits into the internet, now they are already co tent providers and controllers so should they not protect us from the worst of the web. Remember it’s bloody easy for them to switch off access to a site or restrict types of material.
So if I type ‘boobs’ into google. Then click on ‘images’. There won’t be any boobs anymore?
#sadface
So if I type ‘boobs’ into google. Then click on ‘images’. There won’t be any boobs anymore?
Try "Bewbs".
All internet boobs will be censored unless they promote the values of The Party.
Following jambourgie's point - what is porn? Is it a nipple flash? An erect fella? What level of site will they implement this on and who decides if it's porn or not?
Also, my friend, the other day tried to download a film (not porn, btw) from a dodgy site and a pop-up site appeared containing some pretty dodgy (his words) porn. I don't believe those kinds of sites will bend to any legislation. Backwards or forwards.
There will only be sponsored boobs.
Supported by Marks & Spencer
Thin end of the wedge imo
I've little interest in porn and not a fan of the "slippery slope" fallacy generally, but this was my first thought. The government implements the technology under a popular "won't someone think of the children" pretence, before we know it it's the Great Firewall of China again.
Remember it’s bloody easy for them to switch off access to a site or restrict types of material.
It really isn't, not effectively. You'd have to ban cryptography, and you can no more do that than ban French, the technology is in the public domain.
The new law could also mean this site no longer gets porn redirects..
Which, is a blessing.
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>The new law could also mean this site no longer gets porn redirects..
Like they have any control over the ads shown on here!
The implementation is very problematic.
The government appointed the BBFC to be the regulator for all this, who've promptly farmed out the difficult technical task to a company called Mindgeek touting their AgeID solution. You may not have heard of them, their own website https://www.mindgeek.com/ doesn't give much away, they're a privately traded company out of Luxembourg and are a shadowy and secretive lot.
They effectively own porn on the internet. All the "tube" sites, many of the producers - lots of whom got acquired by them after revenues dropped off sharply because their content was getting ripped off and put on the tube sites. It's quite a list - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MindGeek - a good proportion of global internet traffic is theirs. More than Facebook or Amazon. They mine the data for all it's worth to drive traffic to advertisers and paid-for material, which they get a hefty cut from.
Overnight they're going get the personal information of >20m Britons. Their competitors will effectively be forced to use their system too. They've had several data breaches in the past. Forget trying to fingerprint via browsers, IP addresses and the like, they'll have verifiable individuals to store browsing habits for.
The Conservative government promised it, and have taken the least-effort route to doing it by handing the whole thing over to the world's largest pornographer. As I say, problematic.
never heard of hedgehog porn before
Internet rule No. 34. 😉
I’ve little interest in porn
A friend tells me you can buy pills to make it bigger Cougar
The Conservative government promised it, and have taken the least-effort route to doing it...
The above maxim is absolutely true and typical of their approach to everything, but that won't stop it from costing end users a bloody mint (disgruntled rail commuter content).
So.. the conservative government has effectively handed a porn mogul internet provider (maybe not a producer, I don’t know) the rights to monitor and capture the data from users ?
The conservative government has already fallen foul of using internet to access porn whilst in active service in employment on behalf of the British public..
I do wonder if any of those caught and subsequently sacked/resigned for these misdemeanours are being employed by the BBFC or Mindgeek ?
They would be ideal employees IMO.
I don't get why it's okay to not restrict vile death/shock videos at the same time put a lid on porn? Since when is porn more troublesome than notorious films like - Mexican Cartel/Isis or 3 Men + Hammer etc.
The conservative government has already fallen foul of using internet to access porn whilst in active service in employment on behalf of the British public..
Well fallen foul of not revealing that he was aware that the potential use of his computer to access porn was being investigated.
Hang on a minute? You can get porn on the internet?
Why didn't I know about this?
Hang on a minute? You can get porn on the internet?
It's news to me as well!!!
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EDIT: Grrr. even with 50% of the traffic gone, someone still beats me to it.
they’d be best placed to wrap the U.K. right up tight so it squeals
That'd fall under "specialist interest content" I believe
I’ve little interest in porn and not a fan of the “slippery slope” fallacy generally, but this was my first thought. The government implements the technology under a popular “won’t someone think of the children” pretence, before we know it it’s the Great Firewall of China again.
Partly but as a parent I'm more concerned over them creating a situation where my kid is going to be bypassing it by going to places where there are far worse things.
It seems beyond naive to think this is going to stop 15-17 yr old kids .. or what they pass down to younger kids
That’s the real issue here, it’s one thing to keep kids safe and another to limit thier freedom.
Be tricky to balance this one, I’m glad I’m not a parent.
I am quite the Prude myself, I’ve never made any claim that I’m not. I am however very liberal in my outlook and approach to social issues such as these.
I do believe in keeping kids safe however. This is a true belief of mine, and as such whilst I see initiatives like this as encouraging on a social level I also see it as a sticking plaster covering up something deeper and more sore.
I don’t have any answers to the issues children face these days, but restricting them from accessing porn isn’t on top of the list. There are plenty of fabulous, keen, intelligent and bright kids out there that are able to make their own decisions about how they live thier lives.. it is the coerced, the manipulative and the cruel that I hope this piece of legislation helps.
A government that passes the responsibility to contain and restrict the access to an organisation that, seems of the face of it, controls networks and shares data privacy and distributes porn just underpins what an inept government we have at present. I call on them to make clear thier rationale for choosing such an organisation.
I do believe that Britain has lost a lot of “nature by nurturing” and it will be played out in the 10-15yr old generations how they feel about such laws being made/passed that encroach on thier lives. Parents, I wish you well in your endeavours, I really don’t know whether it was any different when I was growing up to what it’s like now.. but I’d like to think there is more information and places to seek affirmations should kids wish to seek that out.
They should just ban it.
That always works
But think of the hedgehogs 😪
Could be worse - one American state is proposing a $20 porn access fee: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/20-porn-unblocking-fee-could-hit-internet-users-if-state-bill-becomes-law/
I’ve little interest in porn and not a fan of the “slippery slope” fallacy generally, but this was my first thought. The government implements the technology under a popular “won’t someone think of the children” pretence, before we know it it’s the Great Firewall of China again.
Particularly since Theresa May has form in this area. As Home Secretary she was gung ho for full-on recording of everyone's internet activity "for safety". Now it's the same objective, but under a new sales pitch
I can see a further boom in the VPM market
http://uk.pcmag.com/software/138/guide/the-best-vpn-services-of-2018
To the point where I think I will have one running full time just on principle now
How is this any different to censoring films or tv programmes.?
What the state would like are adults expressing their sexuality exclusively within marriage for the sole purpose of reproducing the labour force.
To the state, porn, like ideas about free-energy and hemp cultivation is the enemy.
Just because it offers an alternative.
They only legalised hardcore porn because we were in the eu.
this legislation seems like the thin end of the wedge.
Sometime soon the media will get everyone hysterical about the 'dangers' of hardcore porn as a means to outlaw it, resulting in a huge increase in prostate cancer rates, sexual assault, general misery, etc.
On the plus side, it will mean that my local MP actually does some work for a change.
How is this any different to censoring films or tv programmes.?
Do you have to give your name and address to watch a film?
To the point where I think I will have one running full time just on principle now
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How is this any different to censoring films or tv programmes.?
Last time I checked I didn't have to prove my age to watch a film or TV show in my own home. The responsibility for such things lies partly with the broadcaster based on the time of the transmission (although with PVRs these day's that control is much less that is once was) and partly with the parents.
To the point where I think I will have one running full time just on principle now
Very much my thoughts too.
<p>I'm pretty sure I read that they want to change the law so that only material that complies with UK law can be accessed from within the UK. </p><p></p><p>So aside from sitting and moaning, what are you all intending on doing about it?</p>
resulting in a huge increase in prostate cancer rates
lol
resulting in a huge increase in prostate cancer rates
lol
https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/frequent-ejaculation-may-decrease-prostate-cancer-risk/
I live in a country in the Middle East where all online pornography is banned across the board.
People just use VPNs.
The one upshot of this however is that it puts a barrier in place for chidlren freely accessing porn, which is a good thing.
It seems beyond naive to think this is going to stop 15-17 yr old kids
Indeed. 17-year old me would've found it hilarious.
Indeed. If my 45 yr old friend can spoof Netflix into thinking he's in the States then 16 year old him (who's been raised in an IT literate world) is hardly going to find this sort of thing an issue is he? Apparently his ISP blocked access to some dodgy Bay site a while ago and his access was impeded for about 30 seconds. Someone out there has already started working on an easy work around for those with limited tech knowledge. I understand the motivation but it's a massive waste of time and, I'm sure, money.
Indeed. 17-year old me would’ve found it hilarious.
Perhaps its a cunning way of trying to address the shortage of software security specialists. Get them interested young in how to bypass controls.
Although admittedly the way it seems to be done is so crap it fails even at that.
"I can see a further boom in the VPM market
http://uk.pcmag.com/software/138/guide/the-best-vpn-services-of-2018
/a>To the point where I think I will have one running full time just on principle now"
Wow! I'll just need a VPN on for 5-6 minutes.
Fulltime is impressive my friend.
Hmmm 🤔 never heard of hedgehog porn before, goes off to google.
There’s just a lot more pricks...
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@poah & turnerguy
afaik, male ejaculate is pure protein, so having it swishing around your prostate is like plastering your tomato plants with baby bio.
while you may welcome some nice tomatoes in your salad, come summer, you don't want your prostate throttling your urethra every time you get in your bikes saddle.
I've gone right off tomatoes.
In the same way that prohibition led to people drinking dodgy booze and the illegality of cannabis leads kids to buying from dealers who'll happily sell them anything else they fancy, this cannot be a good move. VPN usage will rise, which is probably a good thing, but some will probably use TOR and dark web sites, which is probably less than ideal. Never mind the HUGE risk of data breaches.
On the other hand, maybe a huge data breach that reveals that 95% of the UK watch porn would be a good thing. Lead everyone to stop being so prudish about it and lead to sensible conversations rather than knee jerk reactions.
Is this thread being posthumously directed by Tony Scott?
rather than knee jerk reactions.
I approve of this pun
The browser I use has an invisible (to me) VPN, it just works on it's own, one day I might be hailing from Norway, the next, bangalore. And there are add ons that can spoof your IP to a country of your choosing.
It's just a pointless activity, a bit like when they 'blocked' the pirate bay, they blocked the URL but you could simply type the ip address in, and hey presto.
https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/frequent-ejaculation-may-decrease-prostate-cancer-risk/
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I know that - why do you think I was laughing
afaik, male ejaculate is pure protein
mostly fructose and organic/inorganic compounds. Sperm don't have mitochondria.
afaik, male ejaculate is pure protein
doesn't it also have 1/3rd of your RDA or zinc, so if you shoot off often then you run the risk of becoming depressed?
Seems BBFC forgot to create any rules, so now postponed to end of the year
One handed clapping
So, frequent ejaculation is correlated with a twenty percent reduction in prostate cancer rates.
but ejaculation may lead to a loss of zinc, etc.
thats a quandary worthy of 'south park '.
Anyway, there must be some way to distribute genuine, verified proof of age identification, for purchasing alcohol, etc while still maintaining anonymity from online scammers, blackmailers, etc.
yes I saw it had been postponed too, more time to prepare is a good thing.
Where's good for cheap satas? 🙂
Sweet! I'm away to buy a large newsagents & specialise in ****-mags.
This time next year Rodney..............
Seems BBFC forgot to create any rules, so now postponed to end of the year
One handed clapping
Idiots.
See what you lot voted in?
but ejaculation may lead to a loss of zinc, etc
eat cornflakes
I'm less worried about this, than what a total shower of shite our government is:
An absurd idea, an election giveaway to a moronic voter demographic, likely to be executed so poorly that it's going to be completely pointless, with huge data privacy implications (and IMO, inevitable data breaches), and to top it all off..... bound to be hugely expensive.
We are worried about pornography, so we are going to hand the worlds biggest pornographer a huge amount of our personal details, and a ****-ton of cash?
Jesus wept - how are these clowns in charge of ANYTHING, let alone the ****ing country.
Just once i'd like to point at something they've done/are doing and say - yeah, that's good that is.
>eat cornflakes
Surely just chew galvanised steel whilst jerking off?
eat cornflakes
Kelloggs are missing a trick here.
Get up in the morning with Pornflakes. Splash your milk all over them.
Kelloggs are missing a trick here.
Get up in the morning with Pornflakes. Splash your milk all over them.
Kellogg was extremely anti sex, anti-masturbatory. He developed Cornflakes to be so underwhelming in taste, energy and nutrition, that they would stunt sexual desire., thus making people happier and healthier