[Closed] Cav reflecting on the TdF, his diet, training and Olympic Glory...

I am actually reading " Sky's the limit " at the moment.

Caused me to smile when I read a line where an old time pro talks of doing a 6 hour ride on two, not one, but two table spoons of Olive Oil.

Doesn't mention whether it was Extra vrigin though.
😉

Someone of this parish has tried doing similar. I might go and buy some flaxseed oil and see what I can do.

Is the book any good?

don't ride too far away from the toilet if you try two spoons of falx seed oil 🙂

Good stuff once you get over the gag reflex

[i]Is the book any good? [/i]

Its Ok, worth a read.

Its off the back of reading..

Dog in a Hat.
The rider.
Racing through the dark.

On the subject of diet.
I think I've hit the glass floor with [i]the diet[/i].

More drastic measures may be required.
I started to suffer Yeti-alightus during the long W/E.
I was in the gym most days...
🙁

Whats happening to me ?.

I've even started [i]Trying[/i] on the static bike in the gym.
I use to get to 26Km in an hour.
Now I'm almost 32Km in the hour.

[i]Good stuff once you get over the gag reflex [/i]

😯

Good work Solo!

Do it for the love though, not the waistline!

You may need more frequent carb-cycling? Do you want me to buy a Paleo cookbook to redress the balance? Have read a book about the Dukan diet this weekened if it's any comfort (shit IMO).

[i]Do it for the love though, not the waistline![/i]

Thats the issue.

Rumour has that I have a waist.

I am, therefore, in search of it.

I feel a bout of diet stupidity coming on...
🙁

EDIT:

That should perhaps read...
An [u]increase[/u] in Diet stupidity.

What are your diet plans then?

Just how stupid are you going to go? I've set myself an 11 stone target. First thing that I'm stopping is the mrs making cakes and cookies.

I ate 7 cookies yesterday 😳 Not counting the broken bits!

[i]What are your diet plans then?[/i]

Eat less.
Its the only thing I can think of.
I'm already low GI and have cut back on the booze (red wine) and Choc (Dark).

**Wonders what would happen if he slurped 3 table spoons of EVOO**

You thought of shaking your diet up a bit... go high GI for a day?

Eat only protein for another?

Damn some of the dukan diet stuck in my memory.

[i]You thought of shaking your diet up a bit[/i]

I'm really not sure what to do this side of a yohimbine feast.

Its the SSF, you see.

I'm guessing the only way is SMTFU ?.

I've set myself an 11 stone target.

Molly does not approve of abitrary numbers...

What makes you think it's arbitrary.

Have you considered setting yourself a scientifically calculated target?

I think I lack the resources to calculate a target. I don't know what BF % is optimum for my body and I have no idea how to calculate it.

I have an 86 kg target, that's not arbitrary, but calculated.

Try drinking 2 slugs of flax seed oil from the bottle without gagging on the second one... Then you'll know what I mean.

Helped my diet the first few times as it made me feel so nauseous that I couldn't consider eating for at least half a day 😈

[i]I have an 86 kg target, that's not arbitrary, but calculated.[/i]

Hows that then ?.
😀

lean body mass (total mass - fat mass) x 1.1 to give me a target weight for 10% body fat.

does that make sense for you? (the calculation I mean, not the reasoning!)

Somehow it's all arbitrary in the end though, who says that 10% body fat is right for me?

Not sure about arbitrary, but my SSF is getting on me tits.

Oh, err, if you see what I mean.

EDIT:

OddJob.
I've no idea if that Calc is good or not.

Something tells me TSY may know though.

SSF?

Sub - something FAT?

[b]S[/b]tubborn, [b]S[/b]tomach [b]F[/b]at.

I'm reasonably lean everywhere else.
Not vien popping or owt, but OK.
Its just the SSF.

🙁

EDIT:
I wonder what Mr Kristiansen would recommend.

I think I lack the resources to calculate a target.

So you're not aiming for anything physique wise? So I guess you think about diet purely based on your reading around what's healthy?

Calc makes sense to me... although calculation of fat mass currently eludes me. Pinch test, mirror test and an understanding of my own body based on experience is what guides me.

"SSF" - you'll be storing a lot more fat on the rest of your body than you perhaps appreciate. It's just not so noticable.

I've just been out and bought whole linseed as I remember reading that some of it's benefits are lost in the conversion to oil.

[i]"SSF" - you'll be storing a lot more fat on the rest of your body than you perhaps appreciate. It's just not so noticable.[/i]

Great !.

So just how fat am I ?.

EDIT:

I'm 6' 1"
81.7Kg
I'm wearing 32W 34L 501s
A Ralph Lauren Shirt, pink/mauve check.
Crocket Jones Shoes
An Omega De Ville watch.
I have brown coloured hair, going white at the sides.

Weight makes a difference but performance matters more. Surely diet should boost performance as riders? Unless you just want to be thinner then diet.

Hmmm - 32" waist isn't exactly fat... suppose it's relative to the rest of your body.

I've got my waist down to 30" from 32" and it's during this time that veins have started showing all over the place, and other parts of the body that I thought were lean have developed more definition. It's probably most telling in the face... even my skull feels leaner.

I cant seem to find the language you lot are using on google translate.

I'm basing fat % on fat measuring scales and a look in the mirror. It's not that scientific, but I can see that I can get to that weight without dying.

I am not sure I'll manage it in the near future though. For me it is simply about performance on my bike. I want to win a race or two before I die even if it is only as a cat D

As for the linseed/flaxseed. I have tried both. If you eat them whole they come out whole. If you grind them up I suppose something is digested. I found that I was getting constipated at some point (it was when I ate egg whites for breakfast instead of whole eggs) so I needed to ease the passage so to speak. Worked well but tasted rank.

[i]Weight makes a difference but performance matters more. Surely diet should boost performance as riders? Unless you just want to be thinner then diet.[/i]

Been in the gym the last 3 days of 4.
I have to admit.
I've noticed that I'm maintaining a higher cadence and covering more distance in the hour, than I was 4 weeks ago.
I feel as if I have more torque too, being able to maintain a higher cadence and feeling stronger on the hills.
😯

Its all terrible though.
I'm not sure I like improving as a result of going to the gym.
❓

[i]Hmmm - 32" waist isn't exactly fat... suppose it's relative to the rest of your body.

I've got my waist down to 30" from 32" and it's during this time that veins have started showing all over the place, and other parts of the body that I thought were lean have developed more definition. It's probably most telling in the face... even my skull feels leaner.
[/i]

This is my point.
I think I've shed the sensible stuff from upper and lower body.
Its just a small amount around the middle that is very getting on my nerves.
😕

So, it would seem that I'm on the threshold.
But have failed to be just mental [i]enough[/i] with my exercise and diet.

However, TSY, you are < 10 percent BF, no ?.

No idea Solo. I want to shed some muscle from my arms as I don't need it, bar vanity. Can still pinch a little fat from my waist... so maybe I am.

DId I get that ^^ correct ?.

I was asking if you are less than 10 percent BF.

Sounds as if you are, Lol.

[img] [/img]

all the gain, none of the pain 🙂

Little bit of advice dont do what i did and completely cut all fat while trying to get lean. Cutting nearly all fat has ruined my performance over the past year. I upped my carb and protein intake got rid of the fats which considering fat transports nutrients around the body etc was a stupid mistake. Also my endurance dropped massively having no fats to use once the carbs have run out meant big time fatigue and malnourishment.

Just notice the amount of cheeses etc they eat in ther diet 🙂

Best way is balanced diet and a calories deficit .

With no way of measuring it Solo... I don't honestly know.

[i]none of the pain[/i]

Doesn't that depend on whether you wipe ?.

[img] [/img]

Solo - agree Gym is best placed for improving power using static weights. Many of us concentrate on the legs aspects and forget the rest of the body that supports them to provide power. I have found that improving core, back, arms etc has provided an extra boost to performance. Important that you use the gym to increase power not size. Lots of repetitions, I did find over the winter that I had increased weight I think because of a fair amount of gym time and lifting progressively heavier weights.

[i]Best way is balanced diet and a calories deficit [/i]

Probably true, but I've had to start calorie counting and that wasn't in the original iScript...
😉

PB.

I have introduced myself to the joy of the deadlift for that all over feeling of Ggrrr, when in the gym.

Its the bike bit that seems to have mysteriously improved.
Now if I could have a few dry days.
Oh, say on a weekend perhaps.
Then I could get my road bike out and sample my real world bike awesomeness.
😯

😆

It could be improved glute and hamstring strength that is improving the pedalling Solo.

Doesn't Cav say he cuts his portion sizes?

Calories counting is quick and simple with something like my fitness planner etc. makes keeping track easy enough you have to be honest though if you dont add this and that and cheat you cannot exapect to loae weight.

Now if I could have a few dry days.
Oh, say on a weekend perhaps.
Then I could get my road bike out and sample my real world bike awesomeness.

Stop being a fat mincer, mtfu and ride yor bike.

[i]Stop being a fat mincer, mtfu and ride yor bike. [/i]

I aint fat.... Fat boy
😆

And after riding before Xmas and discovering crystalised lumps of salt on the spoke nipples of my road bike.

In future, the TCR, will only see the sunny days.

[i]Doesn't Cav say he cuts his portion sizes?[/i]

I like reading about the Pros and the books I've read recently have been very insightful.

But really.

Cav's daily caloric intake must still be massive.

It's all relative Solo...

[i]It's all relative Solo... [/i]

So. Thats it.

I need to be on 800 Cals of Low GI gruel, per day.

Oh, the joys of SSF.

Of all the places on the body.
Nature had to keep its insurance policy.

Oh !.

Kristiansen has just twotted, or what ever it is tweeters do.

ride it 'til it's knackered and then you can buy a new one with a clear conscience 🙂

Don't the pros eat reasonably normally off the bike and consume a lot of calories whilst they are riding. They seem to be constantly taking on gels and bars whilst they are riding and I remember Lance Armstrong explaining something like this as a way of avoiding overeating after rides

[i]Don't the pros eat reasonably normally off the bike and consume a lot of calories whilst they are riding. They seem to be constantly taking on gels and bars whilst they are riding and I remember Lance Armstrong explaining something like this as a way of avoiding overeating after rides [/i]

As our resident iPro has reported.
He rides for 'X' amount of time first, before eating.

To be fair, the Pros have brought on subtle changes in their bodies, under the expert guidance of top coaches.
To enable their bodies to make the most of that gel crap during a race.

Thing is, if I even tried to do the riding a pro does.
Several things will happen.
I will lose whatever Gunz I have.
I will lose my job and won't be able to replace it as a Pro racer, at 43.
I will lose my enjoyment of cycling.
I reckon.

Goodness !.
I'm sounding like a right grizzle pants.

I am currently doing the Chris Carmichael time crunched trianing plan and it has sucked all enjoyment out of riding for me. I dread going out and putting myself through the intervals. I am still doing it, but it's not fun like riding is.

I guess that is the difference between riding and training. I don't have enough time to get race fit riding so I have to resort to training.

I'm digging the fasted training at the moment and find it works but it has to be a weekend thing though

[i]I'm digging the fasted training at the moment and find it works but it has to be a weekend thing though [/i]

I arrive at the gym, usually before I've eaten anything.
An hour on the bike and 3 sets for two muscle groups, finished off, some days with 3 sets of 8 reps, Deadlift.
Final set for the deadlift was 70 Kg.

packet of sweets, 2 donuts and a triple all day breakfast sandwich for lunch 😯

i'm not happy with myself but if anybody asks i'm 'keeping my body guessing' and other such clever sounding strategies!

Phil.

Just a word...

[i]Akrasia[/i] ?.

haha yup! i'll just have some celery and hummous for dinner to make up for it i think....

i would've been a good boy and had some tuna for lunch but i forgot my tin opener 🙁 i ate very badly over the bank holiday weekend and this morning's weigh in was 78kg (dressed in gym clothes, trainers on and a coffee in my system) so i wont start beating myself up about it 🙂

went swimming on saturday and for the first time i a LONG time i felt surprisingly comfortable with my body 🙂

[i]went swimming on saturday and for the first time i a LONG time i felt surprisingly comfortable with my body[/i]

Your bus driver this morning.
It wasn't Nemesis, what is ?.

As we're chewing the phat.

That Roberto Ferrari.
If he doesn't sort himself out.
I hope the peloton really make him see the error of his attitude.

Your bus driver this morning.
It wasn't Nemesis, what is ?.

i dont understand... 😕

[i]i dont understand...[/i]

Its that greek stuff innit.
You mentioned water and looking good.

Just kidding witcha though.
😉

Solo - I don't get the bus driver thing either?

ok, i was about to comment that i'm usually pretty good at understanding the mentally unwell 😉 😛

[i]The Southern Yeti - Member
Solo - I don't get the bus driver thing either?

Posted 2 minutes ago # Report-Postphilconsequence - Member
ok, i was about to comment that i'm usually pretty good at understanding the mentally unwell
[/i]

Aw, C'mon ladies.

Its the Story of Nemesis leading Narcissus to a pool where he sees his reflection, etc, etc.

I blame the Omega 3 capsules I've been taking.

EDIT:

I don't usually swollow the capsule.
I knick the end and squirt the oil over whatever I'm having.

Fishtabulastic !
😯

EDIT, EDIT:
I hate the iDiet, look at what its done to me.
🙁

Ahhhh right. No.

Can we stick to exercise and not Greek Mythology.

I'm thinking of undertaking a Herculean workout this afternoon...

Go and get some running spikes and complete a 30-20-10 interval set at the track.
Go and say hello to the mrs at the gym, do a core workout and maybe some legs.
Then head down to Reading and throw myself into the swimming lake.

I may wuss out of some or all of it as I've got a cold.

ahhh i seeeeee, i didnt study greek bus routes at school 😆

it wasn't a 'holy balls i look great' moment, it was a 'well, it appears i'm not as fat as 99% of the people at coral reef, thats good' moment 🙂

you coming to Reading? why, where, what time?

[i]Can we stick to exercise and not Greek Mythology.

I'm thinking of undertaking a Herculean workout this afternoon...
[/i]

Nice. Obvious, but nice.
(I'm being generous. Blame the weather)
😉

[i]Go and get some running spikes and complete a 30-20-10 interval set at the track.
[/i]
I do not run.
You know this.

As this is just a bragging thread and there's no debate that's likely to result in insulting of the black sheep that doesn't agree with collective think:

1190km in the last 12days of which two MTB blasts and the rest on mainly cycle paths on a sit up and beg with knobbly tyres, head wind, a knackered hub gear and camping gear on the back. A rough attempt at 4-2-1 but given the number of boulangeries en route the 4 no doubt got to 5 or 6. I felt stronger every day but one, did 190km in 12 hours yesterday (that would have been over 300km on my roadie) and was flying with the MTB club today.

I still weigh the same as when I started; 68kg my best performance triathlon weight. Now if 4-2-1 or even 6-2-1, bread, fruit, cheese and ham were incompatible with maintaining a healthly weight and performing well day after day I'd have suffered at some point rather than steadily feeling better, wouldn't I ?

Perhpas best if nobody answers though Molgrips can accuse me of bsing, and call me a "prick", "tit" and "pillock" as usual if he wishes.

Awesome! Good to have you back Edukator!

I was after genuine advice from you on a different thread but I forget what I wanted. All I know is I've been eating cheese a lot this weekend and I believe that adding cheese helps my weight to be stable at the lower end of the range I fluctutate within.

Whether it's good to be back remains to be seen. 😉

It's very good to be back home though; a bit more space on the road and weather more compatible with being outdoors all the time.

I added cheese, usually combined with ham, to my breakfast when I had swim training at lunchtime and no time to eat except on the bike on the way to the pool (not the time to be adding carbs). The idea was to add something very slow to digest to breakfast. It didn't seem to cause any adverse effects, possibly improved matters, so cheese has remained on the breakfast menu especially on lunchtime swim days.

Whilst weight isn't my concern I'd be intrested in how you swim after meals with cheese/ham, Yeti. It's a holiday here so I'm going out with Madame for a bit now.

TSY....

You little Tinker, you.

😉

Hey.

Ed.

Did you review the link in the OP.

Could you twit-up to Mr Kristiansen and tell him how to feed team Sky ?.

[img] [/img]

So you're not aiming for anything physique wise? So I guess you think about diet purely based on your reading around what's healthy?

Not aiming for anything physique-wise, no. I want to be fit and fast. It might turn out that striving for 8% or 10% bf has a detrimental effect on my performance, in which case it would be pointless for me.

As this is just a bragging thread and there's no debate that's likely to result in insulting of the black sheep that doesn't agree with collective think

Lol.. we wouldn't insult you if you weren't utterly convinced you've cracked the entire world of diet science by doing a study on one individual.

I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that it doesn't matter what you eat? Or that the iDiet is wrong? Can we clear this up for once please?

[i]Can we clear this up for once please?[/i]

That would be something to see and will liable get the thread closed, eventually.
If that other thread was anything to go by.

Grips.
He aint up for being Edukated.

I think Ed should save Team Sky from making their dietary mistakes.
Perhaps it'll help divert catastrophe on the Tour.

I am currently doing the Chris Carmichael time crunched trianing plan and it has sucked all enjoyment out of riding for me. I dread going out and putting myself through the intervals. I am still doing it, [b]but it's not fun like riding is[/b].

That. I can enjoy Z2 road riding as it helps my mind rest from work / family etc, and am fine with going hard, then tapering then rest before an event, but I can't bear the thought of popping out for and hour or whatever to ride up and down the same hill 50 times.

FWIW I've put on 1/4 stone directly on my belly since christmas / cooincidentaly when I turned 40 in March, but on Monday - 7 days before the BORS event knocked out a PB 100k ride for me.

I only wish I knew what was making me feel so strong on the day, becuase I did feel strong. I would state that I beat my PB by 18 minutes - so not a small percentage either. My diet over the weekend was corn fed chicken burgers with salad, Nando's, and Chicken Shish kebabs in a wraps, each with a a liberal helping of Stella Artois.

Chicken for the Win?

😐

I aint fat.... Fat boy

And after riding before Xmas and discovering crystalised lumps of salt on the spoke nipples of my road bike.

In future, the TCR, will only see the sunny days.

Sorry, I was only winding you up.

But you may aswell ride the thing if you've got it, sounds like a nice bike aswell. I tend to ride my bike whatever the weather if I want to. If I dont, I wont. The fact its raining is a poor excuse.

It may help you reach your single figure goal aswell!

Dave.

You're cool man. I was just having a laugh with you.
So I hope you accept that post as just a bit of " knock about ".
None was intended.
🙂

EDIT:
Anyway. enough of all that.

Ed's back by special request.
So.
By your beds everyone, while Ed learns us up good.
😉

I love these threads. They make me feel normal. Can't beat the smell of compulsive exercise disorders on bad science diets in the afternoon... 😉

ps: Tabatha intervals, that burd from Bewitched's fitness dvd right?

You having a laugh with me too, Solo? Once again a fit contributor without a weight issue contributes something positive that upsets the unhealthily heavy on their fad diets. Bye for now.

I want to be fit and fast. It might turn out that striving for 8% or 10% bf has a detrimental effect on my performance, in which case it would be pointless for me

I find this statement intriguing. It's against what I've read outside of the forum but I've learnt that on here we are individuals playing by our own specific rules.

Based on this, I see no reason for anyone to outwardly be offenisve to Edukator. His diet works for him and probably for me too.

Anyway... open water swimming at the moment with the lake at 12 degrees is an eye opener... struggled to breathe, let alone sight or swim properly. I'm going to have to go back... Thurs, Sat, Sun... again and again until it's familiar.

You know I'm right about the pedalos.

Yeti, the reason I argue with Edukator isn't his diet ideas, it's his attitude.

[i]Yeti, the reason I argue with Edukator [b]isn't his diet ideas[/b], it's his attitude. [/i]

Oh yes it is !.
😀

AS far as I can see all Edukator needs to say is that iDiet may well work for some fatties and you'll be happy, right?

Calling people names, is not arguing BTW, it makes his attitude look exemplary.

Anyway, I'm going to go and start a thread on open water swimming... it's bloody hard.