[Closed] Cause for concern?

Do you lot actually work? FFS.

That's not an argument, and doesn't prove anything.

Was Denis MacEoin one of the Muslims who marched on International Women's Day? Are the those Muslims scaremongering about Islam? Why would they do that?

Grumm, maybe the existence of Fathers4Justice means that we should get rid of the family courts and CAFCASS?

As I've said before, can you name one instance where a UK court has upheld an unjust or discriminatory ruling by a Sharia court? What would be the result if Sharia courts were abolished? Would injustice towards women by the Muslim community disappear?

Grumm: To be totally fair I didn't, wasn't 100% sure so I took it from checking it against 3 online dictionairies. Where did you get yours from?

then ignoring the fact that there are seemingly a substantial number of muslims who share others concerns about sharia law.

So what precisely does that mean???

Please try reading a little bit about Sharia from an unbiased source, include in that the meaning of the words Islam, Fatwa and Sharia and then ask yourself if you can see the flaws in your position. A clue is that you should not base a view of 1 - 1.8 billion people on the actions of a very small number of extremists.

Surfer you seem to be completely ignoring the fact that people have the right to a religious belief. That means they can get married, divorced and conduct their lives in accordance with their religion. I agree that it's a shame that they're not all brainy atheists like you, but you need to understand that as long as they don't breach any of the UK's laws in the process, that is their human right.

Surfer you seem to be completely ignoring the fact that people have the right to a religious belief. That means they can get married, divorced and conduct their lives in accordance with their religion. I agree that it's a shame that they're not all brainy atheists like you, but you need to understand that as long as they don't breach any of the UK's laws in the process, that is their human right.

Your totally missing the point. Religious observers in the UK abide by laws which are derived (not wholly) from outside of their faith. Muslims can also do these things and they have nothing to do with the upholding of criminal law.
I am not ignoring or overlooking peoples rights to these things that is not in question.

Hasn't this thread got boring yet?

Surfer, that didn't make sense at all, but I'm going to reply anyway: unless the parties agree to it, how does Sharia law take precedence over UK law?

Is that from the same place as your definition of racism?

Did you ever answer the question I put specifically for you regarding anti-semitism?... No? thought not

Think we should stick to accepted definitions as oppose to making up our own.

So there you go thats me answering you, so how about you reciprocating occasionally??

By way of light relief, anybody see this article when it came out? Some of the comments are class:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4749183.ece

Islam has been in conflict with christianity since way back in the 11th century ? and were fought to keep them out of western society, The foolish politicians, let them take root here, and now the Gov / Church Hierarchy, are allowing them to drive another wedge into our society, Disgraceful !!

frank mchugh, falkirk,

It's too late people. Read the demographics and statistics. the muslims have already out bred you. Spain, Russia, the UK, Germany and France are all at a point of no return. The majority poulation will be Muslim and Sharia law will rule the Earth. What can you do about it? Receive Jesus Christ

Simon, Los Angeles, USA

Our country, our laws. Come to Briatin expect to adopt the civil practice in place. If i went to Saudi Arabia would I get one off my hands cut off for stealing. Probz.

Micahel, Livingston,

not read the entire thread, so forgive me if I missed this in an earlier post.

But Sharia Courts have some legal status in arbitration if I remember correctly. They do this is the same manner as other faith based arbitration services such as the Jewish Beth Din courts.

We have had Beth Din courts in the UK for hundreds of years and they are definitely recognised as arbitration services under the 1996 Arbitration Act.

As with the Sharia requiriring participants to be Muslim, each party in the dispute brought before a Beth Din court has to be a Jew (Orthodox IIRC) and both must agree to the court hearing by the case.

I am sure that other faiths provide mediation and arbitration in a formal and informal manner.

I would venture to suggest that a precedent has been set.

Jesus is coming - Look Busy!

PMSL at tanky...

Actually just read down the comments on that Times article, and there it is encapsulated, all the predjudice, all the knee jerks, all the lack of knowledge demonstrated there in spades.

We had Kangaroo Courts at home - totally acceptable IMHO

I'm in favour of bike thieves having their testicles removed. Is that Sharia law ? If so, I'm all for it.

Sharia win.

tyger - Member

ernie_lynch, brant

Well hello and "thanks" for your comments!

As a loving father of my two children and someone that always carries the value of family very highly I take issue with being labeled a Paedophile even in jest and feel maybe it's you who owe me an apology for that.

For a start I think [i]you owe me[/i] an apology. I didn't label you paedophile - not even in jest. So get your facts right. 😕

What I [i]did[/i] label you though, was a 'christian fundamentalist'.

A perfectly valid comment and my opinion - which I based on your previous posts.

Now if for whatever reasons you have a problem with that, then by all means challenge me.

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I'm not anti anyone or pro anyone.

Well you obviously are. You are most definitely pro-Israeli/zionist. Why deny it - if you think it is the correct stance to take ?

I am perfectly happy to 'admit' where [b]I[/b] stand. IE, I am anti-israeli and anti-zionist. I support the establishment of a democractic secular Palestine. Where [i]all[/i] Palestinians, including christians, muslims, jews, and atheists, can live. But [i]not[/i] necessarily Russians, Americans and Brits.

I do not recognise the right of a racist zionist state to exist in the Middle-East, any more than I recognised the right of a racist apartheid state to exist in South Africa.

You are also [i]clearly[/i] anti-Islam. If you are ashamed to admit it, then I suggest that you change your views - no one should have views which they are ashamed of.

I am not anti-Islam. Because quite frankly, I couldn't give a toss what religion other people choice to follow.

Hi Ernie, having re-read the threads you're right I do owe you an apology as it was Hora who raised the paedophile tag not you - very sorry, please forgive me!

As for the labels well I'm still not anti Islam or Palestinians. I'm not sure about Hamas as I think they're not wanting any kind of peaceful outcome and I genuinely don't understand why you are anti-Israeli but that's your prerogative. I respect the Jewish people because I've known many and lived in Jerusalem but equally I've known and worked alongside many Arabs and respected them also. I'm not a "Christian Fundamentalist pro-Israeli/Zionist" or whatever label you want to add. I'm just a regular British bloke who loves his family, his country, playing guitar, biking and goes to church on Sundays helping out as a Youth Leader. I'm currently looking for work as I've just recently been made redundant and also lost my Dad at around the same time.

I mentioned before that I'm concerned about the intolerance and aggression that appears to be interwoven in some strains of Islam and yet have no problem with Muslims per ce.

Okay, I've prattled on enough. 🙂

Oh yeah, and I'm also having a great day because some kind person anonymously posted a free ticket for me through my door today for the Goodwood Festival of Speed 🙂

please forgive me

Well.................[i]alright[/i]

You are forgiven my child. But [i]only[/i] because the christian message of mercy and forgiveness is central to my core beliefs 8)

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So you're not a 'Christian fundamentalist' eh ?

Why's that ? Are you saying there is something wrong with Christ's fundamental teachings - something [i]fundamentally[/i] wrong ? 😯

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BTW, why do you keep rabbiting on about loving your family, your guitar, and your bike ? It's all very nice I'm sure, but what has all that stuff gotta do with this thread ? 😕

Do you play your guitar in church : happy-clappy style ?

Just trying to let you know a little of whom you're labeling 🙂

BTW since you asked, I do play guitar in church but it's an electric guitar and the style is not far removed from U2 - Happy-Clappy that's very 80's matey LOL!

My belief is in a loving God and a Devil who wants your destruction at all costs. I respect the Bible as a historic book and also as "God's word" but that doesn't mean that it's an easy book in many ways. The Old Testament can be attributed as God's law however the New Testament is very much God's grace. Nothing to fault with Christ's teaching as recorded in the Bible but I'm not someone who will force their beliefs on others (hopefully). Being a Christian to me is not just about a ticket to Heaven but rather about knowing that you're loved and forgiven (faults and all) by a loving God.

I don't want Sharia Law being practised in my country.
I don't want Sharia Law influencing law in my country.

I'm happy with the way things are now.

[i]Oh yeah, and I'm also having a great day because some kind person anonymously posted a free ticket for me through my door today for the Goodwood Festival of Speed [/i]

Was it God? He works in mysterious ways tha knows...

Actually I don't know but I'll thank him anyway 🙂

I'll thank him anyway

I reckon that you should give your free Goodwood Festival of Speed ticket to charity tyger - as penance for your sins.

You are clearly a wretched sinner............. you have sinned several times on this thread for a start.

Yeh, playing guitar in church! FFS

LOL! ernie, if you want it it's yours. Let me know your address.

No tyger - don't give it to me .......... you need to give it to a Muslim.

You know message behind the parable of the good Samaritan was 'love thy enemy'. The Samaritans were hated and despised by the Jews - that's what made the parable so powerful.

Give your ticket to a Muslim............ you [i][b]must[/b][/i] give your ticket to a Muslim.

😯 ...... oh heck! tygers a god botherer and Ernies turned down free stuff WTF?

Ernie, how many more times must I say this? Muslim's are not my enemy.

[i]Ernie, how many more times must I say this? Muslim's are not my enemy.[/i]

But they aint going to heaven are they?

Muslim's are not my enemy.

Well you need to decide who [i]are[/i] your enemies ....... and start lovin' them.

'Cause when you mortal body perishes and your soul is knocking on the Pearly Gates, the first thing Pete is going to ask you is, "Did you love thy enemy ?"

If you come out with, "But I didn't have no enemies" you'll be on well dodgy ground - no one likes a smart-arse.

[i]"But I didn't have no enemies"[/i]

I suspect he'd be rather more concerned about ones use of grammar; God being an englishman and all...

I suspect he'd be rather more concerned about ones use of grammar

I doubt it. Jesus's dad was a builder. So I doubt whether they were [i]that[/i] hot on 'grammar' in the Christ household.

Anyways, it's probably all beside the point.......... I don't reckon too much the chances of a guitar-playing heretic entering the Kingdom of God in the first place.

Obviously tyger has rejected and turned his back on the One Universal and Apostolic Church, instead choosing to defile the sanctity of God's House with his electric guitar and undoubtedly other vile dishonourable practices.

He probably doesn't even honour Christ's Mother. That won't go down too well - I can tell you.

Why is God always a bloke?

At this stage in the thread should we all not be joining a crusade in the defence of Damascus and the Holy See?

Well you need to decide who are your enemies ....... and start lovin' them.

Fair play ernie - you'll be in before me (kudos) - is this the vestal virgins crap or the St.Peter waving a finger nonsense? I really can't make up my mind.

The Big question is will the Balanese Godess of Plenty be there? And do they do McDonalds when I'm shagged? And is there any blue smarties? And does God really like Soul II Soul or was that a passing phase and he really digs Morcheeba and he has all the Stereophonics - now that's the real questions I want to know. What does he think of Snoop Dog; is he really that bad? And what sort of conversation does he have with Kurt Cobain? Did he really flick the V's at Michael Jackson and kick him out? And what plans does he have for Gordon Brown? And what's his opinion of Rio Tinto? Will thier shares rise or fall? Is he really gonna say Mohammed Ali 'was the greatest' or knock him for six? What mountain bike would he ride? Is specialized just over-hyped, or does Santa Cruz really rock?

Now those are GOD questions.

Slapper - you needn't worry too much either - about what heaven's going to be like.

As another heretic who has embraced the religious cult founded by a serial wife murderer, I reckon your chances are piss-poor too.

LOL! 🙂

As another heretic who has embraced the religious cult founded by a serial wife murderer, I reckon your chances are piss-poor too.

Go on explain...

ernie ernie, do you not see? Do you not get it? Henry VIII is God?

Ulster Says - well alright then maybe behind the bike sheds.....

tyger - Member

BTW since you asked, I do play guitar in church but it's an electric guitar and the style is not far removed from U2 - Happy-Clappy that's very 80's matey LOL!

My belief is in a loving God and a Devil who wants your destruction at all costs. I respect the Bible as a historic book and also as "God's word" but that doesn't mean that it's an easy book in many ways. The Old Testament can be attributed as God's law however the New Testament is very much God's grace. Nothing to fault with Christ's teaching as recorded in the Bible but I'm not someone who will force their beliefs on others (hopefully). Being a Christian to me is not just about a ticket to Heaven but rather about knowing that you're loved and forgiven (faults and all) by a loving God.

Can you convince me with the tiniest thread of evidence about how you justify your belief and that you aren't just talking a complete load of imagined twaddle?

Can you convince me with the tiniest thread of evidence about how you justify your belief

Why should he want to convince you ?

Why should he have to justify his beliefs to you ?

Who are you ?

[url= http://www.patcondell.net/ ]Pat Condell's latest video about the Burkha[/url]

[url= http://www.patcondell.net/ ]Pat Condell's latest video on the Burkha[/url]

Why should he want to convince you ?

Why should he have to justify his beliefs to you ?

Who are you ?

Why shouldn't he want to convince me?

Why shouldn't he justify his beliefs? If they are that important to him, wouldn't he care about spreading the word?

I'm someone not scared to question unfounded dogma.

Spongebob - In all seriousness I probably cannot convince you because it takes a personal step of faith. Knowing that thousands of people have believed for over 2000 years may add some credence, however, most "sound" churches run something called an Alpha Course (see link)
[url] http://uk.alpha.org/ [/url]

It provides a safe, non-threatening environment where people can just come and ask questions (plus you get a free meal!)

ernie in his usual UN role...... 🙄

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Why should he want to convince you ?

Why should he have to justify his beliefs to you ?

Who are you ?

I'm asking for tyger to explain his irrational beliefs. Oh but we can't question religion now can we?

Oh but we can't question religion now can we?

Errrr no - this is sharia law - what is your point caller?

Find my answer in 4 threads above 🙂

I'm asking for tyger to explain his irrational beliefs.

So, let me get this straight ............... you are bothering the god-botherers because they aren't bothering you ?

ernie - I'm perfectly happy to respond to Spongebob 🙂

Fair enough tyger .......... but I was prepared to take on Satan whilst you practice on your guitar.

Although you haven't [i]actually[/i] responded yet.

tyger - Member

ernie - I'm perfectly happy to respond to Spongebob

My guess is he's off for cocoa and prayers......or ritual floggings perhaps?

Nope! That's Max Moseley 🙄

LOL! I posted a reply further up - thanks anyway.

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

There can be only one tyger

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LOL - Blair witch?

I wonder if someone on here professed to being a Muslim would they get the piss taken out of them for it and asked to justify their beliefs? 😛

Frankly all this talk about Sharia law and burcas I'd pay to see Cherie Blair in one!

grumm - Member

I wonder if someone on here professed to being a Muslim would they get the piss taken out of them for it and asked to justify their beliefs?

I'm a protestant muslim - you gotta problem with that?

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

[u]Alternative view[/u]

The greatest trick God ever pulled was convincing the God botherers that he exists

tyger: what if you're wrong and in fact the devil is a **** smarter than you think and has actually convinced your lot thats hes God, and all the time the bacanailian lot were right, and in fact your heaven is going to involve lots of floggings with birch twigs and manky old birds with long tits making you do unspeakable things, while in the meantime the rest of us are on milk, honey and virgins, with the odd sherbert thrown in? I have similar evidence to yours that this is how it really is!

[i]I wonder if someone on here professed to being a Muslim would they get the piss taken out of them for it and asked to justify their beliefs?[/i]

I'd be too worried they'd blow me up to do anything like that.
CoE coffee mornings need to become a lot more millitant if they want the same respect.

G - well what if I were to put it this way....

if I try and live my life according to what I believe to be true i.e. try and be a true Christian and when I die I find it was all a con, then the worst that's happened is I've hopefully led a good life - however, the flip-side is that the Bible teaching is correct then it that case Heaven and Hell do exist and that requires a decision which can't be made after death.

But that's not the whole story because, personally, I know that having a faith has made a huge difference to my life and I know this is going to open me up to a right ol' flaming, but to have the knowledge and experience of God's love and forgiveness is breathtaking.

[i]I die I find it was all a con, then the worst that's happened is I've hopefully led a good life[/i]

Well strictly speaking if gods do exist, then the worst that can happen is you've spent your life worshiping a false one, and the real one's going to be real pissed off with you.

LOL 🙂

According to South Park the correct religion is Mormon, and everyone else will be going to hell.

But wasn't Michael Jackson a Mormon?

Ahhh, now your hitting on the point, its a personal belief, and its up to how you interprete it as an individual, and thereby hangs the whole tale of this thread. Sharia Law is somwhat like your faith, and the desire to lead a good life. However, its application is by mere mortals, who strangely, seem to be able to interprete things to suit their own ends. So ultimately what we get down to, is that to ostracise the whole deal because of the actions of a few is probably an over reaction to the underlying sound principles.

For what its worth, my religious views are not dissimilar to yours, except that I prefer the other interpretation, and therefore I am spending my life trying to take part in as many of the pleasures of the flesh as possible, and let me tell you the Devils "loving" also has its breathtaking moments! 😉

There's a group of dyslexic devil worshippers in the Ozark Mountains who spend all day praying to dog!

<Stifles a s****>

Give Tyger a break for giving his view on what he believes after all it's easier to take the non believer view these days than being open about having a particular faith (though easier if your religion has extremists who blow people up). Tyger may have a point, if he gets to heaven and it's a con at least he's tried to live a good life. Alternativly if we get to the gates of heaven and it's not a con, so will not be getting in. It then strikes me that eternity is a long time on fire. So on balance being a believer seems more sensible, after all Tyger has nothing to prove to us other than he has faith and we cannot prove he is wrong.
Tyger-in this day and age having faith dose you credit.

Really?

So signing up to a homophobic, child molesting, lying, thieving, cherating organisation is a good thing?? (I am assuming from his posts that he has chosen one of the institutionalised God Bothering frauds to join up to)

So signing up to a homophobic, child molesting, lying, thieving, cherating organisation is a good thing?? (I am assuming from his posts that he has chosen one of the institutionalised God Bothering frauds to join up to)

Wow, I actually can't believe you have spent the last however many hours defending Islam and claiming anyone who expresses any kind of disquiet about any aspect of it is a racist bigot. Irony?

G - Member

Really?

So signing up to a homophobic, child molesting, lying, thieving, cherating organisation is a good thing?? (I am assuming from his posts that he has chosen one of the institutionalised God Bothering frauds to join up to)

I think you're referring to the Roman Catholic Church there G?

Wow, I actually can't believe you have spent the last however many hours defending Islam and claiming anyone who expresses any kind of disquiet about any aspect of it is a racist bigot. Irony?

I don't think you find that I did, what I actually said was that information being used to discuss the matter was flawed, and that the underlying principles of Sahria Law are in fact sound and not the rabble rousing stonings and floggings that people in this country associate with it. In fact much in the same way that the underlying principles of Christianity are sound, merely corrupted by the "organisers and interpeters". But then you never did bother to either read or understand what I was saying so why should I expect anything else from you

TS : Nope, pretty much the whole lot.

Your hypocrisy is really quite astounding.

There is definitely more to suspicion of Islam than just the religious aspect. I agree with Grumm's point though, equating Catholics with paedos is no more helpful than saying all Muslims are wife-beaters.

And I was being accused of name calling. 🙄

So come on then examples of my hypocrisy please.

equating Catholics with paedos.

Again I don't think I did specifically

Erm yeah you called me halfwit earlier in the thread. Your hypocrisy is pretty obvious, even to your previous buddy in this thread. I really can't be bothered trying to explain it to you.

G Perhaps Tyger is signed up to the underlying principles of his faith not it's corrupted manifestations. Not a big fan of what organised belief systems (very new labour) have become but every now and again I have met people who have a strong faith and have been impressed by them as individuals.

You'll find out one day if Tyger is misguided, course it'll be to late then.