[Closed] Cat attacked by neighbours' dog

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if my child ate some of your cat shit that was in my garden due to your cat coming over the fence (it is rarely supervised when it comes over by the way) and was then made ill...

what legal recourse would i have?

harsh i know mate, but you have an obvious undertone that they can't look after their dogs properly, yet what are your provisions for supervising your cat?

i think if you have small fluffy creatures in the vicinity of lurchers, small fluffy things are likely at some point to get ****ed up...

Minimum they pick up the vets bills. If their dog is insured this will be covered under third party. Also they should have their garden secured, how did the dog escape?

Its your call if you call the police, unfortunatly dogs will chase things thats why they need supervision, but its the unsepervised etc bit where the owner has let their dogs down, aswell as not exercising them.

I would call the police and I am a dog owner, it could have been a child. You could call the councils dog warden, they will have one and get advice. Your vet may be in a position to advise aswell.

as above. claim on their pet insurance.

then make sure your fence is up to keeping dogs out?

it could have been a child.

I love singletrack!

Did you actually see the cat get attacked?

Tracknico - unfortunately in law cats are considered wild animals so the owners are not liable for what they do whereas dogs are considered tame so the owners are liable for them.

I think the dog owners will be liable for the vets bill but nothing further. No other legal sanction

If a child in the habit of eating cat shit, I'd suggest that the problem there isn't the cat.

Owners are legally responsible for their dogs at all times. The same does not apply for cats.

However, I doubt if a dog attacking a cat is a criminal offence, so that leaves civil action against them - you'd probably get the Vet's bill plus compensation paid out in small claims court.

it could have been a child

It was a cat. Dogs and Cats don't usually get along btw. 😉
Don't call the police (yet) just calmly point out the folly of their ways and how it impacts on you and yours.
This incident should be a wake up call for them to adequately secure their dogs, shirley ?

Oh, edit: - hope the cat's OK !

Hope the cat gets well soon. I'm not sure of the legalities- were there any witnesses to the attack? I imagine so.

Turn the cat into a nice little handbag. 😀

Cats are defined as freee range animals, whereas dogs are not. Therefore the owner of the dog is responsible (but not sure if liable) for any damage that may be caused by dog.
Also can I say I hope that cat is ok.

Seriously.... buy a tiger. How cool would that be? And then get matching clothing. And some medallions. And fake tan

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that's an interesting legal standpoint (the free roaming/tame thing)

and further points out the shitness of cats to me!

even in the eyes of the law cats are indifferent companions!

you and Hora have not aged well Bin Bins

There is no reason why the dogs should be tied up in the back garden.

However as it escaped then you have something to go on. I get the undertones of some neighborly issues here anyway. In which case good luck

It does seem a little odd but thats how the law stands. Interestingly farmers are liable for damage their livestock causes if it gets out of its field.

if "in law cats are considered wild animals" why should anyone be held responsible for their welfare or pay for their injuries?
if i run over a squirrel or shoot it in my garden i don't expect a bill from the rspca.

Poor Cat hope he gets better soon. Will be traumatised for ages.

I think we need to have a whiparound for tracknicko, who is so poor he is making his kids eat random stuff from the garden.

Because they are still owned by someone thus are possessions. It does seem a bit odd but thats the way it stands

...it's because cats are in charge (and they know it).

Anyway

If a child in the habit of eating cat shit, I'd suggest that the problem there isn't the cat.

This topic reminds me of what Bingo did to a cat in our garden. 🙁

its even worse. i don't have any kids!

did have a MAJOR issue with cat shit in our garden, but the arrival of the new pup has curtailed the visits somewhat.

so now just dogshit to deal with...

hmmmmm

This topic reminds me of what Bingo did to a cat in our garden.

was it like the monkey and the frog?

[i]I would call the police and I am a dog owner, it could have been a child[/i]

Strange how a dog owner could know so little about dogs.

(and get it right, its supposed to be [i]"it could have been a child's face"[/i]

Last time my dog caught up with a cat it sat on a fence post and slashed her across the nose. She squealed like a bitch. Bloody big cat it was. I lol'ed 🙂 (this was "in the wild", no gardens were involved)

if you see the dog again just shoot it, self defence and all that.

This has been discussed in so many threads here.

Dogs "can" be dangerous. I didn't see where it said the dogs were tied up in the garden? May have missed it.

However the garden should be secure.

The animals should be well cared for. As the OP said he has given them information to help, which may not go down well, but any owner should be aware of specific welfare for their dogs.

The issue here is the dog escaped. If the attack was in the dogs garden then I would say fair play, its in the dogs territory, dog chases cat etc, God forbid it caught the cat which would normally be straight out over a fence.

The RSPCA would be able to help in assessing if he dogs are well cared for and help or educate the owners.

I think it would be a police matter as the dogs were not in a secure environment and attcked an animal, realistically that should not happen.

Its also down to who maintains the fence etc I guess, but if you have a dog wether it is or is not your fence you stil have to make that provision.

I would call the police and I am a dog owner, it could have been a child.

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http://news.stv.tv/tayside/265451-appeal-after-court-orders-dog-to-be-put-down-for-attacking-cat/

Must be crap lurcher if the cat survived. From your description it would appear they wont be insured so i would hope you have cat insured.

You guys know my previous on dogs but I see no purpose in involving the police - where is the crime?

if they are the type of people who you are suggesting then they will probably ask for proof that it was their dog that mauled your cat...without that proof I'd imagine you are goosed if it went to court...

I had a similar thing happen when my old next door neighbours cat sat on the boundry wall of our house and didn't factor in my dog (young staffy) could jump quite high..not a pretty sight. ended up with me paying nowt..we both agreed it was the dumb cats fault (ironically called 'Lucky').

Oh dear, I hope your cat is ok.

Dogs have chased cats since time immemorial. I'm surprised though, usually the dog comes off worse. BTW it is not at all accurate to say that because a dog chases a cat that it will chase/attack a child.

Were there any independent witnesses to the attack? What sort of relationship do you have with the dogs' owner? (Not great by the sound of it.) Sounds like a bad neighbour dispute to me, solicitors love these, the fees rack up and there is rarely, if ever, any or any amicable resolution.

However difficult it may be, I suggest you approach your neighbour in a friendly manner, explain what has happened, give him the vet's bill and ask him/her/them to pay it. If the relationship is already strained, wielding the Police/RSPCA stick will only make your neighbours dig their heels in.

If that doesn't work you can ramp up your response accordingly.

Get a faster cat.

Cheers all; binners pics made me smile, and catpoo-eating children.

The thread has pretty much summed up our thoughts, I think.

A few points: we have established that the owners are not all that aware of the breed. They seemed surprised to learn, for example, that a lurcher will take after deer. So there is ignorance to overcome, certainly.

Yes, we know dogs chase cats. They will also do all number of other antisocial things, that the owner needs to control/moderate/mitigate against. If they can't build a decent fence, the dogs shouldn't be allowed to roam free.

Most important: it looks like Smudge will be OK - he's been operated on to fix a hernia. Other than that his insides appear to be in good order. So he wins his 'Surviving Dog Attack' medal.

As a Lurcher owner my dog is kept securely in the garden, but has been known to chase after cats that roam into the garden. It's even had a couple of cats in its mouth but lost a clump of head hair and had a bleeding nose to show for it.

If my dog got out of the garden and hurt a neighbours cat i would pick up any vets bills and make sure it didn't happen again. Any cat coming into the garden when the dog is out is fair game. Darwins law.

http://news.stv.tv/tayside/265451-appeal-after-court-orders-dog-to-be-put-down-for-attacking-cat/

I would love to know if the cat was on that dog owners property or not.

Complete double standards, cats are a pest to wildlife, people who own small animals such as chickens etc, they shit everywhere and their owners never clear it up. They should be securely locked in peoples property but that would piss off the cat lovers.

Glad that you have had a (relatively) positive outcome in that your cat is ok physically. I hope that at the very least your neighbours are shocked, sympathetic and willing to pay your vet bills. Hopefully, nothing more that that would be required, if they are civilised human beings.

I have the opposite problem of cats (and other wildlife) in my garden and have to be on the lookout before letting my dogs out. Its a worry on both sides. Fortunately, the cats are lightening fast, rabbits less so!!

http://news.stv.tv/tayside/265451-appeal-after-court-orders-dog-to-be-put-down-for-attacking-cat/

Anyone that calls their dog C-Jay should be put down 🙂

To be fair to the neighbours, they do seem concerned and have taken some measures to beef up their fence.

The only witness to the events were the neighbours - they were chasing the dog around trying to get it back in when it got our cat. I believe the sight of our cat in the dog's mouth put the wind up them somewhat.

A_A's comment about crap lurchers made me smile - we actually can't believe the cat survived at all. I'd always assumed it would be curtains in this scenario.

The trouble is, we've seen it coming since they moved in. We seem to know more about lurchers than they do (family keep and breed them), and we're finding their ignorance particularly frustrating.

Now this has happened, we feel a bit more justified giving them more direction than we have up to now.

Any cat coming into the garden when the dog is out is fair game.

Yep, any cat daft enough to visit a lurcher at home pretty much deserves what he gets.

A_A's comment about crap lurchers made me smile - we actually can't believe the cat survived at all. I'd always assumed it would be curtains in this scenario.

For my Lurcher it's all about the chase. She's never hurt or killed a cat. She has chased after a few though and rarely catches them. There have also been times where she has chased after a cat and the cat has stood it's ground. The dog then gets very confused and runs away. Cats can be quite vicious and anytime my Lurcher has caught up with one she has come off worse.

A few years ago my chased a squirrel, the squirrel suddenly stopped dead, turned round and bit my cat, who should i claim off, also the magpies we have living nearby also attack the cat.

The cat has learnt its best not to chase squirrels and run form balck and white birds.

Its just education, your cat has learnt the hard way.

apparently cats hate citrus. so the best way to keep cats out of your garden in neither buy your own cat or a dog but buy a pet lemon. just remember a lemon is for about two days not for life.

Smudge is OK ? - probably learned his/her lesson.
Eight left then ....

My wifes cat got eaten by her fathers dogs.

RIP

Just to address the balance here, it's not just dogs that do the attacking.

One of my sisters colleagues had a call out by a couple who had gone out for dinner leaving their cat and few week old puppy at home for the first time. They returned to find a rather full cat and a puppies head.

(The cat was fine, just a bit bloated for a day or two)

Not all dogs hate cats....
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This is our two. Rogue the fearless lion hunter and Messi the rough, tough little ally cat. Messi is the boss man in this relationship, the dog is s**t feared of him.

If a dog comes onto a farmer's land and attacks his animals the farmer may kill it.

If a dog comes into my garden and attacks my cat, may I kill the dog?

donald - I don't think so - you may use reasonable force to defend your property - the cat and if the dog gets harmed during the course of that its the dogs hard luck

If the cat is getting shaken to bits and I'm standing there holding a pitchfork at the time, would I be in trouble with the law if the dog died?

no I don't think so so long as yo were not needlessly cruel and what you did was the minimum required.

Thats a very specific example donald. Its almost like you're asking retrospectively. Did you get away with it?

I want a baby leopard! One of these would definitely have a Lurcher!

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A friend of mine used to have a cat called Junior because he was so small. The most loony cat I have ever come across would regularly kill squirrels which is some going. One night my mate woke up in her house with this smashing noise and what she described as screams. It was Junior killing a squirrel in the kitchen. Sadly Junior got hit by a car amazingly the car survived and that was the end of Junior.

Glad the cat is OK, I like cats. My lurcher has never caught a cat, most find their way up something it time, she has caught a fox, that didnt end well for the fox.

Just a thought experiment Binners!

But we have been surprised by somebody's dog appearing in our living room when we were watching TV one evening. Luckily for all concerned the cat was not present.

usually the dog comes off worse

Bit of an urban myth I suspect. yes cats often turn when cornered and lb for lb they are well designed but not when faced with a determined dog, even a small one.

One of my sisters colleagues had a call out by a couple who had gone out for dinner leaving their cat and few week old puppy at home for the first time. They returned to find a rather full cat and a puppies head.

usually the dog comes off worse

Bit of an urban myth I suspect. yes cats often turn when cornered and lb for lb they are well designed but not when faced with a determined dog, even a small one.

This is because most dogs dont strike, they bring to bay. Running dogs will usually strike and shake. Most cats will be lucky to survive the intial strike from a lurcher.

What's "bring to bay" mean?

[i]This is our two. Rogue the fearless lion hunter and Messi the rough, tough little ally cat[/i]

that image is SICK and UNNATURAL

( 😉 in case taken seriously)

bring to bay means corner them really, top em running.

tonyd - Yes, it's true.

Yes, bring to bay means corner (so that the hunter can come and kill the prey - or not as appropriate).

mikewsmith

WTF are you quoting where I state "I am a dog owner" for. Its as I am trying to point out a balance in my view. That is not anti dog etc. And it is my view that I would call the police. So no Mail etc, if you dont have anything constructive shut the f*ck up.

DezB

I don't actually see why I needed to state "it could have been a child's face" rather than it could have been a "child". So a child being attacked a dog and skin ripped of its arm etc would be less traumatic than it face perhaps or does it only matter if its a child's face?

Equally it is an "Uncontrolled dogs. It is an offence for a dog to be outside the owner's premises and not under control"

There ois your offence therefore what the problem with what I do and do not know about dogs.

legend

Yes it could have been a child.

If you want to rip someones post apart first have something constructive, second make sure that you are actually correct.

DezB - Member
This is our two. Rogue the fearless lion hunter and Messi the rough, tough little ally cat

that image is SICK and UNNATURAL
( in case taken seriously)

bjj.andy.w

Lovely Ridgeback, my two are soft as well.

I don't actually see why I needed to state "it could have been a child's face" rather than it could have been a "child".

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Equally it is an "Uncontrolled dogs. It is an offence for a dog to be outside the owner's premises and not under control"

There ois your offence therefore what the problem with what I do and do not know about dogs.

Civil not criminal - its only criminal if its dangerously out of control - and the danger needs to be to a human. Not something for the police IMO

anybody good at the forum searching who could find out who started the 'it could be a childs face next time'?

If a dog comes into my garden and attacks my cat, may I kill the dog?

Pingu you do realise your just making yourself look even more stupid dont you. Put the digging implement down and step away from the hole.

[img] [/img]Sorry to hear your cat has been injured, would not be happy if it were ours, but settling the vet bill is about as much as I could expect anyone to do. Lurchers are quite "serious" dogs and will chase small fast furry things only in their nature, like our dog try's to herd everyone up.

Lurchers are quite "serious" dogs

Cant mean me?
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aa nope not stupid at all mate. Just a forum and I have an opinion. SOme of those who quoted me didnt even have that.

The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 covers dogs under proper control so if the Dangerous Dogs Act is civil, which I belive it isn't then my mistake.

come on step away from the spade, its for your own good

I think its past spade point. Someone take the keys off him.....

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