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For breaking the new BBC rules on social media posting.
Aka, pointing out a shit government is a bit shit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67357877
The new guidelines say everyone who works for the corporation "should ensure their activity on social media platforms does not compromise the perception of or undermine the impartiality and reputation of the BBC, nor their own professional impartiality or reputation and/or otherwise undermine trust in the BBC".
However, Vorderman's Radio Wales show is not among the "flagship programmes" whose hosts have a "particular responsibility to respect the BBC's impartiality".
Other BBC staff and freelancers apart from journalists and executives "are not required to uphold the BBC's impartiality through their actions on social media" but are "required to respect civility in public discourse and to not bring the BBC into disrepute", the guidelines add.
So not really breaking the rules, more about seeming to not toe the line, and therefore creating a potential problem for nervous producers.
How come Simon Schama is still on the Beeb ?
Meanwhile the ghastly Rachel Riley is still a fixture on Channel 4.
When did she join the BBC?
the tories & the right do seem to be rather snowflakey about criticism these days
the ghastly Rachel Riley
Huh?
the tories & the right do seem to be rather snowflakey about criticism these days
Their belief in freedom of speech does seem rather biased towards freedom for themselves and not others.
It does feel like a self imposed problem now for the Beeb, are other broadcasters so beholden to the Gods of "Impartiality" that they need to tell the light entertainment talent not to have any opinions out loud in public or on SM?
How do ITV/Channel 5/Channel 4 handle these things (if they do at all?)? I suppose they had to get shot of Phil but that was more because he'd been grooming on company time...
Is the Licence funding Sword of Damocles the Tories like to keep keep dangling over Auntie having the desired effect by getting them to silence any dissenting voices as a default response.
All while GBeebies is largely free to operate as the RW headbangers direct propaganda wing...
Meh, cynically I half wonder if She's lined up a better gig elsewhere and this is just the fastest way out of her current contract. That only holds true if she pops up on ITV in a couple of weeks.
Maybe the numbers didn't add up .
"should ensure their activity on social media platforms does not compromise the perception of or undermine the impartiality and reputation of the BBC, nor their own professional impartiality or reputation and/or otherwise undermine trust in the BBC"
The thing is... there are so many issues on which it is impossible to be "impartial" as regards both the UK and Welsh governments at the same time... you can't be neutral about both, when politicians are deliberately setting their policies at odds with each other (see Sunak and other UK ministers trying to make hay out of 20mph limits set by the Welsh government). Where does that leave people working for the BBC outside England...?
Her criticism of the government pretty consonant recently.
Yup,can just hear the vowels of rage
When asked which people in government she wanted rid of she said "one from the top and five from anywhere else"
[i]Carol Vorderman[/i]?
Was at the BBC? I thought she just did life insurance ads to pay for the facial surgery these days.
Hmm, any site that badges itself a 'Independent Citizen Media' gets a swerve from me.
Oh, and...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines
The BBC have set themselves up here - taking Lineker as the highest profile example, he may be their highest paid person, but you can bet Sky would offer him more. Not pointing out policies are borderline racist/fascist doesn’t make the policies any better.
Why would he hold back his - perfectly valid and accurate - opinions for fear of losing his job? If he left and went elsewhere, would they have him on Question Time?
DrJ..
you have single handedly ruined Rachel Riley for me….I’ll never forgive you.
Hmm, any site that badges itself a ‘Independent Citizen Media’ gets a swerve from me.
Up to you of course, but you can see what she tweeted and draw your own conclusions.
you have single handedly ruined Rachel Riley for me….I’ll never forgive you.
Sorry mate. Unfortunately that's how life often turns out 🙁
Unfortunately what the right view as "unbiased" is actually pretty heavily biased towards the right.
Dorset Eye - oooh look - another completely unbiased load of twaddle website.
Dorset Eye – oooh look – another completely unbiased load of twaddle website.
It was a convenient way to link to the tweets. You don't have to read what they wrote, just look at what Riley wrote.
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DrJ..you have single handedly ruined Rachel Riley for me….I’ll never forgive you.
Definitely a challenging wa...
Ah I misread, I thought it was Voldemort leaving the Beeb.
people having a go at the torys at the moment is fairly par for the course after a party has been in power over a decade. Hardly anyone has said anything about Labour (other than some mild in-fighting) because they haven't had the opportunity to do much.
Give them a decade in charge and I'm sure plenty of people will be slagging them off, and should be covered by the same policy. Stating
What I want to stop, and what the law abiding majority wants to stop is your vile government clinging onto power for a day longer.
is quite clearly a political post, and so isn't within the guidelines. Seems like a non-story
When did she join. Still no great loss
is quite clearly a political post, and so isn’t within the guidelines. Seems like a non-story
lets be honest if shed said 'gosh isnt rushi sunak amazing "
she wouldn't have been fired
this government just seem terrified of criticism
lets be honest if shed said ‘gosh isnt rushi sunak amazing ”
she wouldn’t have been fired
this government just seem terrified of criticism
she wasn't fired. She left as she wasn't prepared to meet the guidelines for employees use of social media
Had she said "gosh isnt rushi sunak amazing" and that was a narrative that was prevalent throughout her social media use that would also have been a breach of the guidelines very likely resulting in the same outcome
that would also have been a breach of the guidelines very likely resulting in the same outcome
You really believe that?
do the impartially rules apply to the director general?
do the impartially rules apply to the director general?
Possibly different if your speech is "please don't sack me!"
do the impartially rules apply to the director general?
Did you read the link in the OP?
All BBC staff and freelancers are also "required to respect civility in public discourse and to not bring the BBC into disrepute", the new guidelines say.
Vorderman's Radio Wales show was not on the "flagship" list, and the issue with her posts is understood to have been to do with civility, rather than impartiality.
I would expect BBC Direct General to also resign if he publicly calls the Labour Party "vile" when he speaks to the 1922 Committee on Wednesday.
The Rachel Riley article linked above, seems to have this tweet down as "celebrating re-election of Boris". Surely it's the opposite - I'd read that as "We'll get through this sh*t / I'm praying for the country I love after that jizz bag has been re-elected".
(Not defending her other stuff though).
The Rachel Riley article linked above, seems to have this tweet down as “celebrating re-election of Boris”. Surely it’s the opposite – I’d read that as “We’ll get through this sh*t / I’m praying for the country I love after that jizz bag has been re-elected”.
No, I think the context was that she was happy that Corbyn had been beaten given his well known "anti-semitism".
DrJ
No, I think the context was that she was happy that Corbyn had been beaten given his well known “anti-semitism”.
Correct.
I think the context was that she was happy that Corbyn had been beaten given his well known “anti-semitism”.
Apparently some prefer to believe that it's the fault of a Jewish TV presenter on Twitter that Corbyn was seen as anti-Semitic (in "scare quotes") rather than the more obvious candidate of Corbyn himself. But of course with Corbyn it's always, always, always someone else's fault.
Apparently some prefer to believe that it’s the fault of a Jewish TV presenter on Twitter that Corbyn was seen as anti-Semitic (in “scare quotes”) rather than the more obvious candidate of Corbyn himself.
Did somebody say that? Are they in the room with you now?
No, they've popped out to pick up their cheque from Press TV for presenting phone-in shows and spreading conspiracy theories that Israel murdered Egyptian policemen, and not the Islamic extremists that actually did it.
How did we get from Carol Vorderman resigning from the BBC so that she could carry on attacking this "vile" Tory government on social media, to the racist right-wing Tory supporting former Labour MP, Ian Austin, and conspiracy theories?
I don't know, but what I'm wondering is how Carol Vorderman is asked to leave a job for using the word 'vile' to describe a group of people that have said & done some pretty unpleasant things (so not an uncivil use of language, to a lot of people), compared to a Home Secretary calling a peace march a 'mob'. One of those is a fallacy. Incitement aside, perhaps she should take a look at the standards others... ah, forget it.
what I’m wondering is how Carol Vorderman is asked to leave a job for using the word ‘vile’ to describe a group of people that have said & done some pretty unpleasant things (so not an uncivil use of language, to a lot of people), compared to a Home Secretary calling a peace march a ‘mob’
one of them works for an organisation that attempts to remain impartial from a political perspective. one of them works from the government and is very clearly an active member of a political party. It seems fairly easy to figure out
Agreed.
And also the policy doesn't stop employees having political opinions on social media, and it doesn't stop the BBC criticising governments or parties in its content. It just requires employees not to do anything that would cause the institution's impartiality as a whole to be tainted.
Ah, well thanks for that. I didn't understand impartiality and bias, but now I do. Cheers.
one of them works for an organisation that attempts to remain impartial from a political perspective. one of them works from the government and is very clearly an active member of a political party. It seems fairly easy to figure out
Except the situation being discussed here isn't that at all.
The reason that Carol Vorderman has resigned has nothing to do with the BBC's "impartiality", it has to do with "civility in public discourse".
And being "an active member of a political party" does not give the UK Home Secretary the right to be biased in cases of the right of freedom of expression and the right to public demonstrations.
Nor does it exempt Braverman from "civility in public discourse".
<br />hightensionline Full Member<br />I don’t know, but what I’m wondering is how Carol Vorderman is asked to leave a job for using the word ‘vile’
Tim Davie.