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I'm not an engineer, so I thought I'd ask. Could this argument be made for mountain bikes as well? Especially downhill bikes.

"The problem is not that CF is too stiff, but that the feedback it provides differs so completely from conventional aluminium. The property most often quoted is hysteresis, which in this instance, refers to the rate at which absorbed energy is returned. One of the benefits of CF is the fact that it can be made to damp vibration, its hysteresis meaning that the energy absorbed from an input (such as striking a bump) is released in a much more controlled fashion. Tap an aluminium tube and it rings like a bell; tap a CF tube and it emits a dull thud.

This is a property that Ducati had hoped would help them solve the problem of chatter (or extreme vibration over bumps) but it had an unintended side effect. Just as with the original attempts at using carbon fiber for chassis, starting with the Cagiva back in 1990, the damping also removes some of the feel from the front end. When used to build swingarms - as Aprilia had been doing for their 250cc racers for several years - this damping helps remove unwanted vibration, but at the front of the bike, that vibration also contains valuable information. As Guy Coulon once explained to me on the subject of unconventional front suspension systems, what is required of a racing motorcycle is that the information from the tarmac should pass directly into the rider's brain with as little interference or loss of data as possible. Any system which removes or alters that information means that the rider has to learn to interpret the feedback almost from scratch. All of the experience gained in his many years of racing is of little value in interpreting what he is feeling."

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2011/08/08/the_trouble_with_the_ducati_desmosedici_.html


 
Posted : 25/02/2012 12:47 am
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No, its bollocks.
It's bollocks on motorbikes too.

How much sits between tarmac and brain?

Tyres
Rim
Spokes
Hub
Bearings
Axle
Fork lower
Coil/air
Fork upper
Steerer
Stem
Bars
Grips
Gloves
Skin
Nerves.

.. and cf will alter that in some material way?


 
Posted : 25/02/2012 6:23 am
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Just sounds like something the Ducati camp have come up with to obscure the fact that Stoner is better than Rossi these days.


 
Posted : 25/02/2012 8:03 am
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I wouldn't write the theory off...the time I spent on carbon (many years ago) was weird, the frame could feel inexplicably stiff and vague at the same time.

Most of crikey's list is metallic anyway.


 
Posted : 25/02/2012 8:56 am
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There's a firm in sheff makes carbon motorbike frames ask them


 
Posted : 25/02/2012 10:05 am
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It's interesting to note though that Ducati dropped the carbon fibre frame and no one in WSB or Moto GP are running them.

Maybe there's something to be said for the stuff not being all it's cracked up to be.


 
Posted : 25/02/2012 2:50 pm
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I am on my second carbon rush, after snapping the first frame half way down the seat tube.


 
Posted : 25/02/2012 6:36 pm

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