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By God they've jumped in the last 18 months! Last time I had a new tyre fitted it cost me £37. 2 new rears tomorrow is costing me £135! And I'll have to get the fronts done before my MoT in October as well. Is this another Brexit win or are we talking COVID, Brexit, shipping costs and material shortages all combining for a perfect storm?
Mine seem about the same, maybe £10 more (£100-130 a corner, all seasons)
I'm booked in for a pair next week, first pair in 2 years.
£50 for a budget 16" ditchfinder recently seemed pretty standard to me. Haven't found any ditches yet so I must be doing it wrong.
Just looked on Mytyres for the Bridgestones for my car, they are the same price as I paid two years ago. Perhaps it’s the cheap end of the market being hit by higher shipping rates from China etc.
Are we comparing like for like? The cost of tyres is massively variable depending on size and brand.
Aye, I think the OP is comparing cheap shite to something decent.
Motorbike tyres seem to have jumped in price, too. I paid £245 for a pair of Avons last week in the 'normal' sporty sizes.
last time i paid 37 quid fitted for a tire
it was for a 1.8 diesel fiesta and it was 2002
£37? christ I wish. Just looking at winter tyres for my Volvo and it's £270 a corner. Summer tyres are priced at £238 each. Thankfully I no longer do big miles. (I know it's my own fault for spec'ing 21" wheels. I'm not looking for sympathy)
To be honest £135 for two doesn't sound that bad to me
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Disregard, didn't read previous post properly.
Aye, I think the OP is comparing cheap shite to something decent.
Even the cheap shite has gone up. The tyre I paid £37 for 2 years ago is now £57. I've opted for Maxxis at just £8 more per tyre this time. Common size though.... 16" (205/55) for a 2009 Focus.
Thread piqued interest as I have a pair of rather worn tyres needing replacement soon.
The exact same tyre as I had fitted to the other two wheels, in Aug 2019, is now.... £2.50 more.
Falken Euroall AS210 in case anyone GAF.
Goodyear efficientgrip performance 2's are £65 a corner in that size, seems a bargain?
https://www.blackcircles.com/order/tyres/search?width=205&profile=55&rim=16&id=10075
Just replaced 2 front on mine for some replacement all-season tyres, last pair lasted 2 years but they stopped making them so I got the replacements to them. They were about £110 2 years ago each and now £150 each...apparently stock is low and shipping costs are up.
Stop moaning. Our bike tyres are way more expensive considering how much 'materials' you are getting.
Our two Nissans are £150 a corner for Premium (minimum) and £80 a corner for mid range tyres.
My Minions RRP are £60 each.
They have jumped up a bit. Need to replace all 4 of mine and the same Goodyear's are £15 more a tyre than when I bought a pair 18 months ago. The cheaper options are no longer cheap though, used to see tyres starting at £35 but there's no options below £50 now including the Chinese crap. The range for my size used to be £35-100 but it's now £50-140 a tyre!
Brexit adding 20% plus to import costs, and the current logistical issues and demand due to covid will make everything more expensive.
That basically covers the 37 to 57 rise the OP experienced.
My Avon bike tyres are made in the UK ...
I recently bought 4 x 245/40/19’s in Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 5’s and they were £138 each. I was surprised they weren’t more - so maybe it’s just the ditch finder end of the market that’s seen the biggest % bump in cost due to the Brexit and Covid double whammy.
Stop moaning. Our bike tyres are way more expensive considering how much ‘materials’ you are getting
The materials cost is only a small part of the total cost for the whole design, manufacture, logistics cycle of the tyres journey to your bike or car. Everything else will be cost similar between a bike tyre and car tyre which explains the cost.
Cost of containers is 10-15x what they were.
I'm still weeping because I got rid of a car with 17" wheels and got one with 19" wheels, they're £160 a corner now and because of a stupid list of stupid reasons, they were lasting 3-5 months at best...
I like how you're all saving time by writing corner instead of tire, sounds much more 'Clarkson' as well.
My Avon bike tyres are made in the UK …
With materials from the UK?
The materials cost is only a small part of the total cost for the whole design, manufacture, logistics cycle of the tyres journey to your bike or car. Everything else will be cost similar between a bike tyre and car tyre which explains the cost.
Someone round here falls for the marketing bullshit.
I bought my son 2X £57* tyres for his Seat for Xmas (yes, I'm a nice daddy), then he had to replace a bike tyre at BPW and paid £85 including sealant 😆
The car ones will last, what? 2 years, 3 years? The bike one...? It's nothing to do with design, it's 'lifestyle' prices.
*Black Circles seems to be the way to go these days for reasonable cost
instead of tire
and tire sounds much more er, Kelly Clarkson? 😀
they were lasting 3-5 months at best…
That's many magnitudes greater than Molgrips can make an entire car last so count your blessings...
and tire sounds much more er, Kelly Clarkson?
I'm starting to tire of you. 😘
I need two Michelin 235/65 r 16 best price 150 to 200. I think the reason Michelin are expensive 42000 miles and the fronts will probably go on for another 6 months
I won't buy a tyre unless I know the brand and avoid the crappy Chinese ****ing or whatever they are called
Someone round here falls for the marketing bullshit.
You think they design them, purchase and maintain the factories, pay staff, ship raw materials and finished product etc. etc. for free? And if you're making a stress purchase of anything that you need NOW, you can't compare that to chipping around the internet for the best price on a similar product that'll be fine in a couple of weeks time.
I’ve just checked, the Uniroyals I fit to mine have actually gone down by about a fiver each since I last bought them.
Now £83 front and £120 rear - that’s not bad at all.
I'll ask this here as the thread's running - we're going to need some winter tyres on at least one of our vehicles. Am I best getting 'all-season' ones and leaving them on, or 'winter' ones and swapping them on and off? It's only for a crappy little hatchback, but we're now living slightly in the sticks where some snow will be inevitable.
I had all season corners tires tyres on throughout last winter-summer-winter and only replaced them quite recently, so I'd probs get them again.
@IHN - the all-season ones I got are doing a sterling job through the hot weather and coped brilliantly with snowy Sheffield hills as well. I'll not be going back to 'normal' tyres.
This thread has actually pushed me to get mine sorted as they're all worn below 3mm and the offside front has had a slow puncture for a few weeks! My normal choice of Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance were over £300 a set everywhere but I've managed to find an offer on some Toyo's for £240 fitted with a £15 fuel card. Money's tight right now so the £75+ difference will come in handy even if the tyres don't last as long as the Goodyear ones do, safety is more important in the wet.
Brexit adding 20% plus to import costs, and the current logistical issues and demand due to covid will make everything more expensive.
No, Brexit didn't add 20%. That was VAT which you always paid in the EU. Import costs maybe.
Call it what you want, but there's added costs now that we didn't have before.
Car tyres are cheap considering the mileage you get compared to the tyres we buy for our bicycles.
Am I best getting ‘all-season’ ones and leaving them on, or ‘winter’ ones and swapping them on and off?
Loads of threads on this already if you want the long conversation but there's no need to take either off. In fact IIRC it was the RAC that recommended winter tyres year round for UK climate if you're only going to use one set, and I'd argue the same from my own experience. The scale is going to tip further towards winter tyres the further north you get and the further you live out in the sticks.
Am I best getting ‘all-season’ ones and leaving them on, or ‘winter’ ones and swapping them on and off? It’s only for a crappy little hatchback, but we’re now living slightly in the sticks where some snow will be inevitable.
Depends on how much snow and how often really. North of England up a hill, Southern Uplands or Highlands I'd be swapping. I've a set of winters but since travel was so curtailed last Winter (no trips to the Lakes or Scotland for me!) I just left the Summer tyres on. But then I live in SW England, and even if the weather's bad I have the luxury of not having to go out unless I choose to.
we’re going to need some winter tyres on at least one of our vehicles. Am I best getting ‘all-season’ ones and leaving them on, or ‘winter’ ones and swapping them on and off? It’s only for a crappy little hatchback, but we’re now living slightly in the sticks where some snow will be inevitable.
How much snow is "some snow"?
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/types-of-weather/snow/snow-in-the-uk
We're in a "5-10" days bit.
Last snowy spell, several of the neighbours didn't get out of the (sloped) drive, nor did all the trade visitors to the house having the renovation work done.
Both our wagons have all seasons. We just drove out. Probably could have driven out a bit quicker with special winter tyres, but with a big whole 1 or 2% of the days being snowy..? All seasons win for me.
I’ve just put all seasons on my van partly because they look good but also because I live in Scotland and it will get used up north in the winter and for snowboard trips to the alps.
My fast German whip sensible estate I switch between summers & winters on a second set of wheels. It drives much better on the summers (Uniroyal Rainsports) than the winters in anything other than snow & ice. Better winter tyres would probably reduce the difference.
Goodyear efficientgrip performance 2
The 'efficient' wording could readily be replace by 'lack of'. Bloody awful things they were.
Having bought a car in January, I also bought a 2nd hand set of alloys and put Hankook Kinergy all seasons on. They were awesome and all in the wheels and tyres cost me £500. The car has just died, for the 4th time (long story) and is being returned to the dealer for a refund. Gutted as I now have a set of spare wheels with great tyres on that I cant use as they don't fit me new car.
All seasons on my van, mainly because they're suitable for all seasons. Not as good as summers or winters in their respective season, but a great fit and forget option (I only do 5k/year, if I did much more I'd get spare winters on steels).
I've got brand new summer tyres on the weekend car I just bought, trying to decide whether to buy some spare wheels for winters or not (or just use the van if it snows)
The ‘efficient’ wording could readily be replace by ‘lack of’. Bloody awful things they were.
Interesting... They are consistently well reviewed by multiple sources.
About 12 months ago got dealer to cover 75% of cost of set of 4 Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric 3 in 255/45/19/104Y.
About £220 each then; marginally more now.
Given my massively reduced mileage the tyres will die of old age before they wear out.
What are the odds they’d actually fit… I’m going slim to none 😂
Depends whether you have a Vauxhall Insignia or not then @ross980
That'll be a no then.
Still waiting for the MPS4 all season to be released in my staggered wheel size.
Doubt they'll be cheap.
The ambulances round here (EMAS) switch to winters and back to summers according to date, regardless of the weather.
My paramedic mate tells me that winter tyres on an unseasonably warm autumn day squirm and slither horribly, and wear out in days (even fewer than usual).
So if you have a heavily laden 4x4 Skoda estate and you tend to rag it I wouldn't have winter tyres as the only tyres.
In the down camp here. Goodyear all seasons for my Skode Superb down around £5 from last year to £114 each.
Pair due to be fitted before winter as fronts down to around 3mm.
Insignia has a 'standard' bolt pattern and number though that will fit other cars...be more of an issue if the wheels are 5-bolt and you need 3-bolt, but they might still fit if the sizing if right...
The ‘efficient’ wording could readily be replace by ‘lack of’. Bloody awful things they were.
Had several sets on my diesel estate a few years back.
Did what it said on the tin. Reasonable mpg. Lasted well. Fairly low noise.
Not fabulous cornering or grip. But so what.
Maybe you fitted the wrong tyre?
IIRC these are made in OEM and aftermarket spec with the OEM ones being not so hot - that might be a bit 'pub fact'. Maybe an industry expert (we must have one on here) could enlighten?
The ‘efficient’ wording could readily be replace by ‘lack of’. Bloody awful things they were.
Had several sets on my diesel estate a few years back.
Did what it said on the tin. Reasonable mpg. Lasted well. Fairly low noise.
Not fabulous cornering or grip. But so what.
Maybe you fitted the wrong tyre?
IIRC these are made in OEM and aftermarket spec with the OEM ones being not so hot – that might be a bit ‘pub fact’. Maybe an industry expert (we must have one on here) could enlighten?
+1 Have a pair on my gti, they're 'fine' - seem to be lasting very well. Did ok in winter, doing ok in summer. Sometimes a bit screechy if you're driving faster than most round bends but they aren't scrabbling
They appear to have not changed price
So if you have a heavily laden 4×4 Skoda estate and you tend to rag it I wouldn’t have winter tyres as the only tyres.
I reckon you're looking at 5h1t tyres.
I happily ran Pirelli winters on my 435d - and last year ran the same tyres throughout 2020 (lockdown) on the replacement 320d. Ragged them just the same as the summers.
IMO for 99% of folk, quality winters would be fine all year around here (I'm rural Scotland).
Car tyres are cheap considering the mileage you get compared to the tyres we buy for our bicycles.
Yep, always thought car tyres were very cheap, relativity. And they are still cheap if you don't insist on driving a car with unnecessary large and wide tyres
if you don’t insist on driving a car with unnecessary large and wide tyres
To be fair, this is the vast majority of cars manufactured now. It's a trend I've never understood though. In a world where people forensically examine the cost of VED, insurance and fuel economy, they'll then go ahead and buy a small city car sitting on 19" rims, trebling the cost per tyre relative to something more appropriate.
What's the optimal tyre profile for "average" car?
65?
70?
Mine has 65 profile FWIW.
Other halfs boring diesel bus has 45 profiles, which is ludicrous. OTOH we didn't buy the car because of the wheels... we suffer the wheels.
What’s the optimal tyre profile for “average” car?
Considering the shitty state of UK road surfaces the last few years, I reckon full profile, 100 would be best.
My van has 14" wheels. However, it weighs 3 tonnes so, due to the load rating tyres are >£100 each.
The date on the current tyres is 2008!
IMO for 99% of folk, quality winters would be fine all year around here (I’m rural Scotland).
You might be right but Winter tyres tend to do badly in the mild and wet which makes a swap more sensible in SW England. My next set of tyres will be All-Season then I can forget the whole palaver.
Considering the shitty state of UK road surfaces the last few years, I reckon full profile, 100 would be best.
Wasn't the standard 80 back in the day? When I started driving I don't remember tyres for ordinary cars even stating a profile, I'm sure the tyres on my old P6 were just 185R14. Which I think is about the tyres size on my mum's Fabia!
I wouldn’t be at all confident about £37 tyres being able to get round a roundabout in the wet.
Soon after passing my test I had a £200 mk1 Jetta (yes, wish I'd kept it, etc). I think it was a 1300. It had four cheap tyres on biscuit size rims. Would unstick sideways, usually at about 20 mph, on a roundabout, in just a hint of rain.
Absolute deathtrap, now I come to look back at it.
Worst handling car I ever drove was a mk 1 Triumph Vitesse convertible. This was partly because we had just rebuilt it and I was driving it to the MOT test with virtually no petrol, no hood or rear seat and so very little weight over the notorious swing axle rear suspension, but mostly because it was on 10 year old cross ply tyres.
It passed first time, but then it was 1982 and MOT requirements were a little less exacting compared to today.
Taught me very early on that cheap tyres or old tyres are just not worth it, so I have always gone to a good make and changed when about 3mm of tread left.
The ‘efficient’ wording could readily be replace by ‘lack of’. Bloody awful things they were.
Had several sets on my diesel estate a few years back.
Did what it said on the tin. Reasonable mpg. Lasted well. Fairly low noise.
Not fabulous cornering or grip. But so what.
The point I was making, badly it appears, is that they gave me no confidence grip-wise (which you do allude to yourself 😉 ). On my Vectra they were awful, especially compared to the GY Eagles that were originally spec'd with the car. Anyhoo, apologies for stealth ad, but genuinely, if anyone is looking for a set of 17" alloys with all-season tyres on PM me and I'll gather the relevant size, part number etc details. Not going to get into it here.
IHN
Full MemberI’ll ask this here as the thread’s running – we’re going to need some winter tyres on at least one of our vehicles. Am I best getting ‘all-season’ ones and leaving them on, or ‘winter’ ones and swapping them on and off?
IMO winter and summer is still the best, but allseasons have got really good. If you've got the space for spare wheels and it's a car that picking up wheels isn't too hard then I'd still go that way (I did!).
Reasons, basically 1) it's actually generally cheaper over a long enough time period, because good allseasons are expensive. 2) especially because you can often buy wheels with good used winter tyres on, especially if you have the sort of car that people buy winter tyres for, because they sell the car then sell the wheels separately (and so can you) 3) You're basically saving the tread for when you want it- rather than maybe arrive in winter with allseasons which still have a summer in them but are past their best for bad weather 4) Having spare wheels is pretty useful sometimes.
And in the end, winters still outshine allseaons when it comes to really sketchy situations, heavier snow, etc- which is exactly when I most want my tyres to be most good. And my summer tyres outshine allseaons in summer, which is less important but still useful.
Having said all that, in fresh snow my current car would probably run out of ground/bumper clearance way before it ran out of safe grip on crossclimates. And you can manage a lot of the worst just by avoiding driving which if you can, is probably smarter than driving at all regardless of tyres. But sometimes you get caught out.
Not fabulous cornering or grip. But so what.
That’s the only thing I look for in a tyre, pretty much their only job.
IHN
Full MemberI’ll ask this here as the thread’s running – we’re going to need some winter tyres on at least one of our vehicles. Am I best getting ‘all-season’ ones and leaving them on, or ‘winter’ ones and swapping them on and off?
We moved from summers & winters to all seasons when we moved down from Loch Tay to Dunblane.
IMO, unless you are 'proper' Highlands / Pennines / north of Penrith / big snow and ice regularly, the All Seasons are brilliant. The new ones are great, even in summer, even when cornering and braking 😉 They just work, they work better in the cold but not freezing, they clear rain better i.e. more of the time they are the better tyre.
That and learn when not to go out and get caught.
If you are 'out in the wilds' and see many many frosts and regular snowfall, then full winters are better for those extreme conditions.