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Hi. Nursed my old Mondeo (52' 130hp TDCi), 160k miles, to the garage this afternoon. Big power loss, pinking noise under load, white smoke on start up. All the signs point to a new turbo.
What do you think I'll be looking at in terms of cost...? 🙁
Anyone had a new turbo on a TDCi recently...?
Keen to keep it really, miles aside its a nice car.
anything between £500 and £1000 as a very rough ballpark figure - would depend on the garage doing it ( independent / dealer ) and the source of the turbo ( new / reconditioned )
Don't put a new turbo on a car with 160k on the clock - recon and an independent garage to keep costs down.
Get it done by someone reputable too as I had two fitted in the space of 6 months. First one blew and spat bits everywhere, the garage left some of the bits inside which tore up the second, which was replaced FOC. Time lost through down time can not be recuperated...
White smoke equals water not oil. lots of blue smoke would suggest oil. Sounds like head gasket maybe. If the turbo goes it usually dumps its contents into the inlet manifold and this can damage the cylinder head. As it was driveable to the garage sounds like water ingress somewhere. Pinking would also suggest a loss of compression again leading to gasket failure. If the engine hasn't overheated you may get away with a new gasket if the head is sound. May not be as bad as you think. I have an 04 130 TDCI they are great cars, but at 160k it doesn't owe anybody anything.
My nissan primera diesel turbo went last year at a cost of £1460 !!! .. and that was with 53k on the clock !!
mastyles...True, its at an Indy garage we always use. Awaiting a call in the morning, & they mentioned a recon unit would be best option given its age. They were optimistic that it could actually be something else, seeing as there was no smoke when they tried it.
Can you actually hear the turbo spin up? I thought i'd blown a turbo a few years back, but it was just a sensor. It was telling the ecu the turbo was fully open so it never kicked in. Mine wasn't smoking though, that sounds more like a head gasket
Funnily enough just had the same conversation with my business partner about his father in law's VW Golf TDi
They'd know if it was the turbo.
P20, not sure. Its always whined a bit (that I've always thought was the turbo), & still does. Its only when the revs go up it gets noisy, sounding more like an old transit van. Got me thinking about the head gasket now. The smoke wasnt that white, more white with a bluey tint, & it stunk of diesel fumes.
Hopefully find out in the morning.
I got a remanufactured unit for the Range Rover fitted for about £1200 - a new one from RR was circa £1500 plus fitting.
I had the turbo go in a 2002 2.0 TDCi 130 Mondeo. A 'whumph', sudden loss of power, rattling, and enough white and blue smoke to fill (and I am not exaggerating here) the lower Ogwen Valley. I suspect the person I just overtook was even more surprised with the turn of events than I was... I coasted to halfway bridge and it wouldn't pull itself faster than crawling to the nearest safe space to stop.
Bad news is that cost more than 900 quid to fix at an indy, and a month or so later other parts started playing up, almost directly related. The car was retired to eBay sharpish.
Good news is I did have the symptoms you describe in an Escort TDI - that turned out to be water pump and head gasket. Still cost 400 to fix, but much better than 900 and probable terminal damage...
Probably not worth fixing unless you can get mates rates.
White smoke may be the turbo ,mine went on a Master van and I looked like a downed Spitfire with the plume of smoke I emitted
The Turbo on my 6 year old Audi A4 went last year (100k miles on the clock), loads of smoke when it did run then wouldn't even start. So I couldn't even drive it the 200m back to my house, had to be recovered to the Local audi garage.
Audi charged me £80 to tell me the Turbo was ****ed, then quoted me £1800 to replace the turbo and a further £600 to replace the Cat as it was likely damaged due to the dump of oil etc. no way I was going to pay that
I got one from Turbotechnics and had a local garage fit it. Cost me £900 all in and was told to run it a bit to burn the oil out of the Cat, if it didn't pass its MOT then get it fixed. Sailed through the MOT so please I didn't listen to a main dealer.
The smoke wasnt that white, more white with a bluey tint, & it stunk of diesel fumes
Maybe one of the injectors has gone down as thats pretty common on those motors isn't it ?
I had the same symptoms on my VW TDI last year. Took it into an independent, and they informed me that a vacuum pipe had collapsed. £5 later, it was as good as new.
I had our Focus 2.0 TDCI in for service yesterday. Wife picked it up and complained it was 'a bit flat'. I took it out and the engine management light was on and the turbo wasn't....
Turned out they'd knocked the actuator pipe off when changing the fuel filter. Bastards...
I hate that ****uing car 🙁
White smoke equals water not oil
Not necessary. Try over filling your car with oil and see what colour smoke comes out the back - Its WHITE! 🙂
Yes I have done it!
Dump a LOT of oil where it shouldn't be and that's the result!
Blue smoke comes when you just have a bit of wear. Blue smoke on acceleration equals piston or turbo wear, blue smoke on lifting off is normally valve wear.
Black smoke is a fuelling problem on a diesel. 🙂
I recently had P20's experience with the boost pressure sensor going on my'01 TDI Passat.
That was easily sorted,however,got some pretty crazy symptoms from the car after a monster deluge in the Alps in July: About a litre of water in the engine sump and a month later a 30% reduction in fuel efficiency accompanied by lethargick performance..
And the cause was...
The brake servo rotted away (so the brakes always on slightly) by being flooded constantly (blocked Plenium Chamber drains; the Passat Bete-Noir), the water inside it gets pumped by the vacuum pump (runs off the camshaft and vents into the engine!)into the crankcase.
Managed to work out the cause myself with the help of mr google and replaced the servo with the help of a friend with a knack for all things mechanical.
Now goes like sh*t off a shovel and back to the usuall 48 mpg.
Blogger all to do Mondeo turbos, but anyway...
A customer of mine was quoted £600+ for a new turbo recently. Through a mate in the trade he paid £300 so they have room for manoeuvre
A customer of mine was quoted £600+ for a new turbo recently. Through a mate in the trade he paid £300 so they have room for manoeuvre
Make and model?
New or recon?
When my Espace was in for it's stupidly long repair a 2003 version was in for a new turbo ... and the lovely people at Renault picked up 90% of their repair costs too.
Well, thought I'd update. Turns out the injectors had lost their coding. They've re-coded them & its running fine now. £120 inc vat.
Thinking its a sign to move the old beast on.
Anyone run a pre-TDCi Focus diesel ? I'm wondering if something like that might be a bit cheaper to fix, with no fancy injectors etc.
Call Turbo solutions in darlington, they will do an exchange for probably round £350 and you will get warranty. they are a good company not a back street scrappy.
Glad you got sorted takisawa2.
Coming to this thread after the event I know, but I think you'd have noticed if turbo failed and more importantly, you should get plenty of warning that a turbo is on its way out. Mine was whining for about 6 months before it went. TDCI 130 54 plate 90k miles.
It was my own fault, I'd let the oil change intervals become too long. If you're doing regular oil changes you shouldn't have any problem.
My replacement was £1k all in at an indi garage. (part was £700 +vat new.) I thought it was worth doing on balance as the only two common big bills on these motors are turbo and DMF. The mechanic said the DMF was fine so I opted for the new turbo.
I'm expecting to keep the car for at least a couple of years more.
A mate has one thats been a taxi. It has well over 300k miles on it on a 54 plate. Original turbo. Runs fine. Don't let milage alone make you change.
Well, thought I'd update. Turns out the injectors had lost their coding. They've re-coded them & its running fine now. £120 inc vat.
I had this issue - it was the straw that broke the camel's back. I had two garages look at it before Ford fixed it - even ford suggested it might be best to make it someone else's problem...