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yes I know there is a 300 page Corbyn thread but in a nutshell...
It seems that they all hate each other. I had assumed that a leftie like JC would be a big fan of Corbyn and vice versa, but clearly not. And both of them are hated by everyone else for apparently different reasons..
I use to vote for them ..but would find that practically imposible to do nowadays.
JC ?
Who is this JC that hates the main JC?
Anyway, 'Labour' is an outdated brand. Britain definitely needs a left wing party that stands for a reduction in class division and the rights of workers, etc., but 'Labour' in 2017 no longer does so. The word itself has lost much of its meaning.
I say, let the current party die, and reconfigure as something more like Canada's New Democrats.
Jeremy Cyle?
Cruddas ? Or Christ ?
Who is this JC that hates the main JC?
A splitter.
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Actually, having re-read the thread title more closely, I think that tpbiker might be on the sauce this evening. 🙂
The Labour Party effectively committed suicide the day they elected a closet Tory called Tony Bliar as leader - they just didn't realise it at the time.
Jeremy Corbyn is much closer in ideals to the true Labour Party than they have been since Wilsons day , and as that scares the right wing media they take every opportunity to tell folks Labour is " unelectable " under him.
Not a supporter by the way, but I do find that what he actually says seems to differ considerably from what he is reported as having said,
How do I know ? ... well you tube has some uses.....
yeah..that made no sense at all...
i meant livingston and Corbyn
and yes, I'm drinking cider..
ignore the entire thread, I'll just study up on the Corbyn one..
New labour was the answer to thatcherism that died out with major, there were some good times but money ran out . Cameron came along, new labour became increasingly irrelevant. the "old labour" with stronger socialist and union links gained support as an alternative to the centre right, particularly with disenfranchised younger people. new labour and conservatives don't like this. Jeremy Corbyn is a bit surprised by it all and doesn't know wether to become more moderate to improve electability with the general electorate or whether to become more leftist to appease the grass roots support, therefore does nothing while everyone else fights. lib dems move into cupboard under the stairs.
They have a fine selection of talent, all female (Creasy, Reeve etc). Few of the men cut it. But the average member seems to want a stupid old git.
Reeve seems reasonable bright, but has a bit of a mogadon delivery, which doesn't do her any favours. Creasy is vacuous - would make a good Loose Women panelist.
If you're referring to the current witch-hunt against Livingstone, Corbyn has to be be seen to be doing something otherwise he'll be accused of the same nonsense by all the attention seekers. But that doesn't necessarily mean they don't like each other, or share the same views. I think Jimbobo has it right...
They have a fine selection of talent, all female
Sleep well.
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£11,750 of your money went in to that work of art, too.
Rachel Reeves is a true MP.... No interest in her constituency unless there is a camera there, tried to paint west Leeds as a hotbed of racial tension and rioting, Good on a national level, but given the choice I woulndt vote for her. (the choice in west leeds is rachel reeves, assorted racists, a grey conservative and a wild hippy).
Sleep well.
Oh no! An unattractive black woman! The horror!
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New labour was the answer to thatcherism that died out with major, there were some good times but money ran out . Cameron came along, new labour became increasingly irrelevant. the "old labour" with stronger socialist and union links gained support as an alternative to the centre right, particularly with disenfranchised younger people. new labour and conservatives don't like this. Jeremy Corbyn is a bit surprised by it all and doesn't know wether to become more moderate to improve electability with the general electorate or whether to become more leftist to appease the grass roots support, therefore does nothing while everyone else fights. lib dems move into cupboard under the stairs.
Jimbobo +1.
And I would add that its now seemingly impossible to be pro-Palestine without being tarred as anti-Israel, which is now somehow equated with being anti-semitic.
The horror!
I was going with "hideously, almost comically bad portrait and waste of money showing one of the apparent pool of fine female political talent that was mentioned". Still, you make it racist if you like.
I was going with "hideously, almost comically bad portrait and waste of money showing one of the apparent pool of fine female political talent that was mentioned". Still, you make it racist if you like.
So she can't be a decent politician because someone did a painting of her?
Still, you make it racist if you like.
Yep. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Still, you pretend it was just a bit of bantz if you like.
So, you're accusing me of being racist? Slander. Nice.
She's female, yes. That was in response to the earlier comment about female talent.
She's also a useless farce of a politician.
It's also a hideous portrait.
Her colour is irrelevant, unless it's being used to stop me commenting on the fact that she's a useless farce of a politician who wasted money on a hideous portrait. Oh, and that she's a part of the female talent pool in the Labour party.
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a politician who wasted money on a hideous portrait
She didn't though, did she? So why make such a big deal about something that didn't actually happen? If you have a beef with her politics, why not discuss them, and not post a picture? Is that a dog whistle, or a fog horn ?
its the brakes on the outrage bus squeaking.
The Wings bloke said, on twitter, "Labour: still doggedly slashing at its wrists with a knife even as it falls out of a plane without a parachute".
Harsh, I feel, but fair, especially from a Scottish perspective.
Far as I can see, both main parties seem to be quietly imploding. Or at least, they're both accusing each other of imploding, which may or may not be the same thing.
If YouGov polls are to be trusted, Labour are faring much worse from it though. Support for Conservative (in terms of projected seats) is the highest it's been in months, whereas Labour are haemorrhaging them to LibDem and UKIP in fairly equal numbers. At this rate, the main left-centre-right parties are going to be LD-Tory-UKIP, which is somewhat disturbing.
Flashy - give DrJ a break - you know that white people play divide and conquer.
It's a civil war between the electable New Labour and the unelectable Socialists.
The Socialists are currently in control, they've purged the shadow cabinet (over and over) to remove the 'trouble makers' and their leader is currently enjoying a 17% approval rating.
They will be savaged in next month’s elections, but they'll blame the press, or dissidents within the party.
They will refuse to bend to popular demand, and stick to their principles - which is great, but they're politicians and supposed to represent the will of the people, not control them for their own good.
Their only hope is that they can retain enough financial backers and anti-tory voters that when they hit rock bottom (about 11am, May the 8th 2020) and someone finally manages to drag Fuhrer Corbyn from the leadership and his Momentum SS, they can still rebuild.
Dear Labour supporters, why are you feeding the trolls?
They aren't interested in a debate, they just find it amusing watching you dance.
Why give them the satisfaction?
The labour party has always had competing factions that want largely different things. The left, the unions, the party the MPs may think they have a common enemy but they have wildly differing views about what form if protest or difference that fight should take. In contrast the Tory know largely what they want (to get rich while the prols STFU and are grateful for the scraps that are handed them by a benevolent patriarchy). It doesn't help that the socialist message of "be a little worse off for the benefit of all™" is a hard sell anyway...
That portrait; who is it? I don't recognise anyone from the labour party at all.
Angela Rayner (Shadow something secretary) was on BBC breakfast this morning. What a horror she was. At the end of her puff piece she was asked if Ken Livingston should be kicked out for being anti-semetic etc. and she had a real rant about how she was being ambushed.
The nice Charle Stayt said it was one minute and 15 seconds at the end of her bluster to ask a Labour question.
She then went on to say if he was found guilty he should be kicked out.
It was helpfully pointed out that he had already been found guilty.
Hopeless, all of them.
That portrait; who is it?
I think it's a cartoon of what Diane Abbott thinks she looks like.
See? Identical.
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Unless the artist got mixed up and that's a mash up of Abbott and Kate Osamor
They aren't interested in a debate, they just find it amusing watching you dance.Why give them the satisfaction?
What else would they be doing? Going home; preparing for government?