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If a country is its institutions...
This is a broadly Christian country. The USA is not.
If a country is its people...
This is a broadly secular country. The USA is not.
It's a good thing that David Cameron is such a committed Christian:
grum - Memberkb - that's just about the worst apology for getting pretty much everything wrong (while being incredibly haughty about it) that I've ever seen.
Have you ever thought about becoming an MP?
But it's you who's refusing to budge from your erroneous position grum.
As konabunny points out the Attorney General is not some sort of neutral civil servant who is expected to suppress all his own personal opinions.
He is in fact a very senior politician, and a government politician at that, who is perfectly entitled to express his opinions when giving interviews to newspapers.
Indeed he got to the position of high office precisely by making a career of telling people his opinions.
As konabunny says : [i]"Your mock concern that he is doing so is entirely misplaced."[/i]
grum - MemberIt's a good thing that David Cameron is such a committed Christian:
So now after spending several pages denigrating those who express religious views, specially those who do so in the public arena, you use the opinions of 42 Anglican bishops and more than 600 clerics to attack David Cameron ?
Have you no shame ?
Or is this you being "ironic" ?
Only on STW could we have a thread discussing religion which is more concerned with semantics than semitics.
Homo stipula and grammar police aside, the linked articles there mention "Christian values" time and again. Now, I know this is a Callmedave soundbite with so much spin that it has its own doppler shift, and largely designed to look good on a headline rather than mean anything, but quite a few people are talking about similar things.
What does this actually mean? There are plenty of positive values that a society can live by, being nice to each other and so forth, but these aren't "Christian values" exclusively, rather they're "values." Some may be attributable to Christianity if that's what they brought to the great unwashed masses a couple of millennia past, but I reject absolutely the implication that you cannot have values without Christianity (or religion generally for that matter).
Plus let's not forget, our modern "Christian values" are a [s]cherry-picked[/s] evolved subset of their original teachings. As a general rule, we don't stone our wives if they aren't virgins, beat our slaves (so long as they deserve it), execute rape victims, burn witches or sell our daughters for sex any more.
So it seems to me that in isolation "Christian values" is nonsensical. Do we take it to mean "values as preached in modern-day Christian churches"? And how is that different from any other values?
I thought you were suppose to be an impartial moderator.....are you entitled to express your own personal opinions on such matters ?
I'm sorry I don't live up to your Erniean values. What you thought is neither here nor there.
What you thought is neither here nor there.
Well that's nice !
Next you'll tell me that you give interviews to the Daily Telegraph.
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Steady ern, you don't want to risk a month in the naughty dungeon getting spanked by the cloderators...
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Clear signs of prejudice on display there ernie.
Cougar - I know Ernie chose to omit the smiley, but you did get the (not so) hidden joke in the post at the top of the page?
Cracking form Ernie, it's a pity when the efforts are not fully appreciated. I was waiting for Grum to pick it up first!
If (as I doubt) you're actually serious; I'm posting as a user, not a moderator. I've discussed this at length before now.
Cougar - I know Ernie chose to omit the smiley, but you did get the (not so) hidden joke in the post at the top of the page?
I think I must've missed that. But I assumed he wasn't being serious and responded in kind.
Oops, looks like the joke was missed!
X-post!! My interpretation goes back to grum's assertion that the AG should not be commenting on such manners. If correct, I thought it was a good joke from ernie in the circumstances!!
There may come a point when the Attorney General has to give his opinion on something like, say, the legality of invading another country. If he's previously made a point that this country is a Christian country and that other country is a Muslim country, I can see that causing issues.
It'd be like if, for example, the [url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/06/eric-pickles-britain-christian-nation-atheists ]Communities secretary had made a big deal about being a Christian country[/url] a couple of days after [url= http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/apr/04/investigation-tower-hamlets-mayor-lutfur-rahman ]ordering the investigation of a local authority that is run by Britain's first Muslim executive mayor[/url].
Things like that would worry me, if I were a non-"Christian".
THM > Ah, I see what you mean. Yeah, I got that, I thought you meant there was more to it.
Shall we start that again? (-:
Only on STW could we have a thread discussing religion which is more concerned with semantics than semitics...
What does this actually mean? ...So it seems to me that in isolation "Christian values" is nonsensical.
Oh, the ironmongery!
Can a moderator acting as a moderator moderate themselves? The UK is a moderate country, after all, and people who deny that are deluded.
I'm more mean than mode, on average.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/22/david-cameron-vague-faith-christian-country ]A sensible article[/url]
[url= http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/04/clegg-calls-disestablishment-church-england-and-hes-right ]Another sensible article[/url]
Someone else is absurd and [s]deluded[/s] deluding themselves - but this time it's a former Archbishop of Canterbury: