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"Kenneth Clark on radio 4 jut said he expects Theresa may to activate Article 50 'within a week or two'"
If so that means she'll have worked out it's a feasible without doing much economic damage or damaging herself politically in which case cool beans.
Seems unlikely to me.
Suspect KC might just be wrong.
The only reason for calling an election would be as a way not to leave the EU and save some face.
Other argument is to increase your majority but I see little point in that. Tories have a workable majority and a mandate till 2020. We introduced fixed term parliaments to get away from all this speculation about early elections called for tactical reasons
Comment on TV last night that she would not be the PM long term, not sure what that means
The massive shit storm when the public actually realise what leave means. There will be plenty of days to dump bad news coming up.
A bit of dictatorship would be nice at the moment
Well it looks like we're effectively a single party state, for the forceable future anyway. So with the combination of that and a fixed term parliament thats effectively what we've got . Just without the guns and the cattle prods, and water cannons and stuff.
For now 😉
[quote=binners ]Kenneth Clark on radio 4 jut said he expects Theresa may to activate Article 50 'within a week or two'
Politician playing politics shocker. I doubt he even believes that - the question is what has he to gain by making the suggestion?
Are the Lib Dems going to do a Junkyard (Lazarus) and rise phoenix like from the ashes? Will people hacked off with the Labour bunfight go towards them. They are pro europe and seem the only party that isn't ripping itself apart (there are about 5 of them so a bit of a tall order to rip themselves to pieces)
May says she is going to unite the country, any one have any idea how she will achieve this.
May says she is going to unite the country, any one have any idea how she will achieve this.
Some kind of Human Centipede scenario, I imagine. That or an American prison-style chain gang.
May says she is going to unite the country, any one have any idea how she will achieve this.
The smaller the country gets, the easier it will be to unite.
Corbyn wants to activate Article 50 immediately, seemingly the EU is no longer 7/10 😉
As much as I share that desire it seems to me all the advantages are to wait a year or so;
2017 Elections in France and Germany could change outlook substnatially
Imminent Austrian Presidential election re-run and potential dissolution of parliament
Junker to be pushed aside (too closely associated with failed eu super state and migrant disasters)
Eurozone sovereign debt crises materially weakens eu position and loosens membership ties
moved to other thread
Tories have a workable majority
Debatable, for non contentious domestic legislation maybe, for anything jeopardising our economy e.g. trade deals, she won't have one as there are too many Europhiles (e.g. Ken Clarke) who will vote against the government.
great artilcle about brexit (jamba)facts here
🙂
For months, the Eurosceptic press trumpeted every dubious claim and rubbished every expert warning, filling the front pages with too many confected anti-migrant headlines to count – many of them later quietly corrected in very small print.
Pretty sure #jambaliar has never corrected one of his #jambafacts!
The only reason for calling an election would be as a way not to leave the EU and save some face.
Er yes!
As much as I share that desire it seems to me all the advantages are to wait a year or so;
Slightly surprised to hear you say that. Have you run it past the EU to see what they think?
Pigface - Member
..May says she is going to unite the country, any one have any idea how she will achieve this.
Shouldn't be a problem.
She's watched 'The Hunger Games', and we've already got the workers hating each other.
Slightly surprised to hear you say that. Have you run it past the EU to see what they think?
Nothing to do with the EU is it ? Negotiations will be lead by the new President of France (definitely not Hollande) and Chancellor of Germany (possibly not Merkel)
@footflaps - I keep coming out on the winning side, seems the corrections are needed elsewhere no ? 8)
I.Told.You.So is never a good look but I am saving up a pile of that for the next eurozone debt crises thread
@footflaps - I keep coming out on the winning side, seems the corrections are needed elsewhere no ?
Winning, best, right are not all the same thing though are they.
Like many brexiters jumping up and down and shouting we won doesn't make anything happen and certainly doesn't come up with a plan to take the world/UK forward.
Tories have a workable majority
They have a majority of 12, and as Osbourne has already discovered, that's some way short of "workable "
Nothing to do with the EU is it ?
As I understand it following Article 50 there are negotiations on the withdrawal from the EU carried out by the European Council on behalf of the EU. The withdrawing nation has no input. So I would suggest it will have quite a lot to do with the EU and not much to do with us.
slowoldman, it's a negotiation we have our input but it's about an agreement between the UK (1) and the EU (27 others representing the biggest economy in the world)
As I understand it following Article 50 there are negotiations on the withdrawal from the EU carried out by the European Council on behalf of the EU. [u]The withdrawing nation has no input[/u]
A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, [u]the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State[/u], setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/the-mechanics-of-leaving-the-eu-explaining-article-50/
Cameron's Lament 🙂
http://www.classicfm.com/discover/music-theory/david-cameron-musical-analysis/#QLMd9gTDhmz0KFiQ.97
tho this is funnier
[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/david-cameron-evil_uk_578498c8e4b0e9f338cbe2d2 ]
David Cameron’s Humming Ditty Turned Into ‘Evil Tory Theme Tune’[/url]
OK, so to clarify:
1. “Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
OK my mistake, I was looking at para 4 and reading that the withdrawing state shall not participate in discussions. But I'm still surprised by jamaba's assertion that it has nothing to do with the EU.
Nothing to do with the EU is it ? Negotiations will be lead by the new President of France (definitely not Hollande) and Chancellor of Germany (possibly not Merkel)
So leaving the EU and negotiating this with the EU after telling the EU has "nothing to do with the EU"
This has to be sarcasm as no one can actually think leaving the EU has nothing to do with the EU.
Madness
But I'm still surprised by jamaba's assertion that it has nothing to do with the EU.
Why are you surprised....
I think his thoughts are that France & Germany will lead the negotiations as they are the big hitters, but it needs to satisfy at least 20 of the countries on average so the EU will be involved. Unless of course you want to try and misrepresent what democracy of the EU.
Ruth Davidson's analysis
Labour is still fumbling with its flies, while the Tories are enjoying a post-coital cigarette.
while the Tories are enjoying a post-coital cigarette.
and theyve given us all a good rogering
Yep, I'm feeling quite sore.
The full quote was even better
While Labour is fiddling with its flies the Tories are enjoying a post-coital cigarette, having withdrawn their massive Johnson.
😆having withdrawn their massive Johnson.
**STOP PRESS**
Looks like the most popular and competent cabinet member will be retaining their post.
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The negotiations will be interesting but from the below link they reckon that the EU and Britain, are likely to reach a trade deal and maintain close economic and military ties despite the Brexit vote.
[url= http://www.mauldineconomics.com/editorial/heres-how-much-europe-depends-on-the-uk ]Heres how much europe depends on the uk[/url]
The negotiations will be interesting but from the below link they reckon that the EU and Britain, are likely to reach a trade deal and maintain close economic and military ties despite the Brexit vote.
Meanwhile, in actual news..... 😉
its in no one's interest to continue a lose:lose strategy
Just seen Ruth Davidson's comments about Andrea Loathsome
Before politics not only was a BBC journalist but I singlehandedly saved the British banking system during the Barings collapse ... A little known fact was that I was the original Misha the bear at the 1980 Moscow olympics, and that was the same year I won Eurovision. Which speaking as a mother ...-----
I didn’t say that, you can’t report that, and it would be gutter journalism of the highest order if you wrote down exactly what I’ve just said.
how the hell is she a Tory?, cant we have her as Labour party leader
Also
'She explained why she did not take part in the EU referendum debate alongside Angela Eagle.'
I’d had a phone call from Craig Oliver saying we want you to do the Wembley debate, Labour are putting up Angela Eagle. That is great Craig but are you absolutely sure you want two short-haired, flat shoes, shovel-faced lesbians with a northern accent?
She's top, isn't she?
I keep coming out on the winning side, seems the corrections are needed elsewhere no ?
A stopped clock is still right twice a day, doesn't mean it's better than a working one...
and your definition of winning (i.e. making everyone worse off) is a tad unusual....
dragon - Member
The negotiations will be interesting but from the below link they reckon that the EU and Britain, are likely to reach a trade deal and maintain close economic and military ties despite the Brexit vote.Heres how much europe depends on the uk
OK - it's a bit simplistic and jumps to some conclusions...
European powers depend on exports to the UK
European nations are heavily invested in their relationship with the UK. The UK is the fourth-largest importer in the world, and the EU needs British import demand.
EU member states’ trade ties with the UK vary, but several European economies send a significant amount of their exports to Britain.
Nearly 14% of Irish exports went to the UK in 2015. 9% of the Netherlands’ exports and 7.4% of Germany’s exports also went to this nation in 2015.
The EU needs exports to the UK, the UK is also reliant on Imports. If the UK doesn't allow EU goods in at favourable rates it will force up inflation. It's in the UK's interest to maintain the imports as they are and could probably accept concessions to do that?
The UK was one of only 10 net contributors to the EU budget – along with Germany, France, the Netherlands, Italy, Sweden, Austria, Denmark, Finland, and Ireland. For these wealthy European economies, a British exit means an increased financial burden.
True but once our rebate etc. comes back it's not as much. So what the EU will be looking for is some kind of payment to balance it's books - see above
Eastern Europe needs access to UK labor markets
British job opportunities and remittance flows are highly significant for Eastern Europe. Eastern Europe has enjoyed low unemployment rates—in large part because millions of Eastern Europeans work in other EU countries… most notably, the UK.
In case you missed the entire debate, the exit camp really does not want uncontrolled immigration, any form of points scheme will be a cumbersome method and not address short term needs very well. The UK also has politically found itself needing to be strong on immigration - tough crowd there.
Brexit is more than just an economic threat to Europe
Europe’s unease is about more than economics. Some countries see Brexit as a threat to the region’s security interests. The Kremlin has been working to split the Western alliance, while the EU has been fragmenting under the weight of internal challenges and diverging interests.
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Plus, The Royal Navy remains the second-largest navy in NATO, after the US Navy.
And will remain in NATO, doing NATO stuff etc. NATO is not the EU.
All of this confirms that Europe can’t afford a break-up with Britain. The EU and Britain, therefore, are likely to reach a trade deal and maintain close economic and military ties despite the Brexit vote.
Nothing more than wishful thinking and inflated ego's.
If the UK wants trade it will have to take Free Movement - like everyone else.
If the UK wants "Free" trade then like the lunch it's not free.
If the UK wants to influence the EU it has to be done as a member.