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So, he's going. Which grinning goon will take over?
Bozza?
Gove?
Dustin Gee.
Well, Boris started it, he can sort it out
#pleasegodno
its time where we need someone with a mastery of the language the ability to inspire and the need to be a diplomatic person with vision to sell to the country and the world
Essentially we are ****ed as there is no one anywhere to do this on any side
BJ for PM
he needs something to cheer him up for losing.BJ for PM
I never thought I'd hear myself say this but Theresa May might be the best candidate. And now I feel dirty.
God no, not her. Even more right wing than Dave and Osborne.
Can't see an obvious choice as to who will take over and givel a similar sense of leadership.
The BoJo and Trump Dystopia could actually happen. Tell me it's all just a bad dream...
Odd that one of the first effects of leaving is that we get a leader we didn't vote for.
I'm going to put a tenner on Stephen Crabb @ 16 - 1
May odds too short now at 3-1
Boris will be next PM
[silverlining]at least it won't be Nigel[/silverlining]
As much as I despise everything she and her party stand for...
One of the few credible politicians left in the entire nation....
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Aye Perchy,her and Nicola could form an alliance 😉
How about this guy - he'll fit right in:
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I'm going to put a tenner on Stephen Crabb @ 16 - 1
I hope not. He couldn't sort out my child tax credits issue with HMRC so he's got no chance with Europe (though to be honest Europe is probably easier and less bureaucratic).
It's a weird day in politics when I agree with Junkyard. The referendum is uniting us all!
Cameron almost looks like the lesser of the evils.
I'm going to put a tenner on Stephen Crabb @ 16 - 1
That's a bit of a sideways move. Can't see him clawing the party back together again.
Cameron almost looks like the lesser of the evils.
I miss him. Everything was so much better when Call Me Dave was in charge 🙁
thepurist - Member
Odd that one of the first effects of leaving is that we get a leader we didn't vote for.
Unless you are one of the small percentage who happen to live in their constituency you've never had a leader you've voted for in the UK
[edit] I accept if you're a voting member you may have voted in the party leadership elections which elected a parliamentary party head who happened to become pm, chances are slim though [/edit]
That's a bit of a sideways move. Can't see him clawing the party back together again.
One word: Corbyn
🙂
Crabbe has some views that mean he'll not make it.
The current "big beasts" will destroy each other, outsider to get the job
Davidson potentially a good prime minister but won't take the job
BoJo fo shur
Agree with pp, I think she's a brilliant politician, and she comes across as a really solid human being as well.
Personally, I'd plump for Priti Patel.
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There'd be an end to all the media whining about snobby old Etonians, for starters.
I fear it will be
Gove the man who makes [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hamilton_(actor) ]George Hamilton[/url]
look like a good actor
If you reverse Theresa May's initials you get MT, which are Margaret Thatcher's initials.
Makes you think...
Rees-Mogg will be in the running, just to make the 'prime' candidate look more reasonable.
Anyway, corbyn is going to be in the firing line today. Might we end the day with Mcdonnell in charge? 🙂
Good call perchy - though she appeared to completely rule out coming down South on the TV last night
YepOne of the few credible politicians left in the entire nation....
Could be fun if we don't end up with any candidates who are both electable and willing to push this through
R4 put forward the possibility of a BJ / Gove combo (PM / chancellor).
I can't think of anything worse.
To be honest if the tories stay in power I'd love to see one last hurrah from Ken Clarke but I know that ain't ever going to happen.
Loathe though I am to say it Theresa May is standing out as the least shit option out of a pool of truly massive turds...
Donald Trump. Seems to talk a lot of sense. No need for a wall either so quids in from the off.
Boris Johnson 11/8 £23.75
Theresa May 2/1 £30
Michael Gove 6/1 £70
George Osborne 12/1 £130
Stephen Crabb 20/1 £210
[s]Prince Philip[/s] Boris in the lead at the bookies...
Theresa Villiers doesn't appear to be on the list...?
I have always thought Boris wouldn't get onto the final ballot paper because he doesn't have enough support among MPs. However, I have to change that view, he has had a good referendum - hasn't risen to personal attacks - and shown he is out poll the party throughout the country. If he is on the final ballot, he will win - the big question is will he make it and then you are talking a tiny electorate of 300 odd MPs.
Davidson can't stand she is not an MP.
CountZero - Member
Agree with pp, I think she's a brilliant politician, and she comes across as a really solid human being as well.
Personally, I'd plump for Priti Patel.
Brilliant as in homophobic?
Did you really just accuse the openly lesbian Ruth Davidson of being homophobic? 😯
It must be a shock when she goes home at night and finds a gay woman in her house.
Davidson can't stand she is not an MP
The leader of the third largest parliamentary party ain't an MP either. Just sayin.
The leader of the third largest parliamentary party ain't an MP either. Just sayin.
And she couldn't be PM either unless she found a Westminster seat.
perchypanther - Member
Did you really just accuse the openly lesbian Ruth Davidson of being homophobic?
No.
Priti Patel.
I thought she was great until I read her views and values.
Nah, it's going to be Bojo - he was heir apparent after the last confernce when all his competitors stool like they were trying to ski, he was taking care of business - plus they were all on the wrong side of the debate.
Dear god no, can't we get an agency temp in?
What's Silvio doing these days?
A foreign manager - good call, it's working for the Cricket and Rugby teams (apologies to our Northern friends who don't know what cricket is)
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Ruth Davidson would make a great PM. But not now. It's a bit of a poisoned chalice at the moment so hopefully she'll hold off for five or ten years.
It's a weird day in politics when I agree with Junkyard. The referendum is uniting us all!
Steady on old chap....agreed on the weird day, but not THAT weird!
Risk Astley
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Oh **** it. Let's have Rupert Murdoch and be done with it.
He wouldn't dirty his hands, besides he's far too happy pulling the strings
Maybe there is no-one who is electable who would take the job under the condition that they will take Britain out of the UK. Possibly that is the way out
I vote for Obama: He'll be out of a job soon
or Sadiq Khan: He seems to talk the most sense these days.
Jesus, just seen Liam Fox teeing himself up, thought he'd been seen through
A foreign manager -
Well, we have had a Canadian PM before.
Leave the 'undemocratic' EU to get a PM who wasn't on the ballot (the 'no-one votes for a PM' thing is technically true, but in the real world, bull) but even better than that we could end up leaving the 'undemocratic' EU to avoid TTIP and get a PM that no-one voted for who thinks:
There is absolutely nothing not to like about the TTIP.
Totally scientific Twitter poll on The Last Leg put May as favourite.
Odd that one of the first effects of leaving is that we get a leader we didn't vote for.
Well, given that 75% of the UK didn't vote for the party that chose Cameron as its leader, I don't think we need worry about domestic democracy.
Is boris an MP? Can he be leader?
Yes, and yes of course.
How come politicians claim to serve the people and carry out the wish of the majority, yet when we give them a mandate to carry out they resign? Cameron and Hill should have their pensions withdrawn at the least!!!
If only the average worker could resign when their boss told them to do something they don't like or agree with.
If only the average worker could resign when their boss told them to do something they don't like or agree with.
Er - you know what resign means?
Cameron was elected as an MP, he remains an MP.
Thanks aracer. Completely misread wiki on my phone earlier. Quite clear after a ride and a coffee!!
Is boris an MP? Can he be leader?
He's an MP. While in theory he could be leader, I think he's post-referendum campaign far too divisive a figure, though that hasn't stopped asshats like Bill Cash talking up the next leader being a 'true Brexiteer'. This would seem a good way of ensuring the self-destruction of the Tory party as they alienate everyone currently <45, meaning their entire voter base will eventually die off...
first hurdle overcome: Crabb has announced he's running for the leadership. And odds have already shortened to 10/1
Sunday times tomorrow:
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From the guardians comments section:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
I was amazed to see that Nicky Morgan is being touted as a serious contender, she has all charisma and inspirational qualities of Liz Kendall, I can't see the Corbyn camp being too worried about her.
IMO probably the best the Tories have available is Theresa May. Although she's unpopular on here I don't think she's universally disliked by the electorate. She's a capable politician who keeps a low profile and therefore doesn't have much baggage - in the eyes of the electorate.
I hope they don't choose her. And to be fair with the exception of Cameron the Tories don't have a good recent track record of choosing capable leaders. I hope and expect them to cock it up.
I think I read that Benn has been looking for support to challenge corbyn.
TurnerGuy - Member
From the guardians comments section:If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
Was just about to post this - sounds plausible and if it's even half true, sounds like CMD may have played a blinder. He's gone up in my estimations - though that's not hard.
I think I read that Benn has been looking for support to challenge corbyn.
I heard that too.
Does it matter?
The Tories have done themselves in. The winners have set unrealistic expectations that cannot be met (by definition) and will be responsible for the aggravation that is to follow/come. History is unlikely to treat them kindly.
Those Turkey's who are left will not be fooled twice. If labour do the sensible thing - find a leader - they should be a shoe-in. If they miss and another open goal, then one is left to tear one's hair out. It certainly is a sorry state of affairs.
The next leaders will end up v unpopular indeed. And they probably deserve it.
[quote=ernie_lynch ]I hope they don't choose her.
I presume that means you think she's electable 😉
Not clear that he's after the job himself from that, but the implication is obvious and TBH he seems the obvious leader in waiting - I'd only expect him to be putting himself forwards if he thought he could/would win in 2020.
sounds plausible and if it's even half true, sounds like CMD may have played a blinder.
Yes it's plausible but the author, whoever they are, appears to have an obvious bias.
Here is an article which completely contradicts the claims in that anonymous article and appears to be written from a much more neutral perspective. And to be frank sounds far more plausible imo.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/article-50-brexit-debate-britain-eu
aracer - Memberernie_lynch » I hope they don't choose her.
I presume that means you think she's electable
Electable is not a term which I use, I think it's meaningless, but yes, of course if you mean that she has more voter appeal than the other candidates. Wasn't that clear ?
I don't know why you threw in a link about Corbyn. I know the Blairites think he's "unelectable". And you know what my views are on the matter.
And to fair to the Blairites their claims that Corbyn is "unelectable" is based on his supposed policies, most concede that his appeal is based on on the fact that he comes across as a normal likable guy - not a politician.
sounds like CMD may have played a blinder.
Sounds to me more like he's lived up to his reputation as a weasly ****er but that's politics I suppose.
Hilary Benn has just been sacked by Corbyn, well that was quick 😯
That article is full of holes. If you don't believe the claim made in my link that he has actually done Johnson and Gove a favour, and instead believe the premise made in that article, then the "poison chalice" applies equally to any other of his successors, including his mate Osborne. Any Tory leader after him who ignores the referendum result is finished.
Cameron might be a weasly **** but he isn't going to screw the Tory Party as a final leaving act.
well that was quick
It took about 6 months didn't it ?
[quote=ernie_lynch ]if you mean that she has more voter appeal than the other candidates. Wasn't that clear ?
To me, yes, was just clarifying for those who may not totally understand your views.
I don't know why you threw in a link about Corbyn.
Was supposed to be referring to Benn's coup, I added some text which should have made it more clear.
Can I ask a question?
Where's his mate George
I added some text which should have made it more clear.
Well I hadn't read your edit until now.
Cameron might be a weasly **** but he isn't going to screw the Tory Party as a final leaving act.
I dunno if he thinks it's Bojo in charge, he may just stick the boot in.
He has no legacy now, everything he has or will do has been overshadowed by this 1 huge mistake.