[Closed] CallMeDave Queen gaffe: Nigeria and Afghanistan are 'fantastiacally corrupt'

Saw a thread earlier and didn't pay much attention but just saw it on the news. What a knob

You know, as much as it pains me to say it, this 'gaffe' actually makes me warm to him a tiny bit. You know, like from Norway in the depths of winter, to maybe, northern Greenland in March.

He is kind of right, after all.

Did googol seach for existence of such thread. Found nowt. Fail.

Soz kids.

Thought I actually had something intersting to bring to the forum for once.. 🙄

I was calling call me Dave a knob not you for your lack of search skillz 🙂

Also in tonights news I found myself warming to IDS point of view on a few things....I must be getting old and right wing

I dunno. The way he says it, it's really forced and unnatural- it doesn't feel like a slip of the tongue, it feels like he had to make a real effort to say it. But why? Can't see any advantage to it.

Is fantastiacally a pretentious version of fantastically that politicians use?

Very stupid thing to be caught saying but given that Buhari ran and came to power on exactly the same point, it's not far off the truth. Buhari views it as his central mission, to tackle widespread corruption. Shame that much of his good intentions are being overrun by the collapse in oil and the Naira.

The All Progressives Congress (APC) Presidential Candidate, Gen. Muhamadu Buhari, has pledged to do everything within his powers to end corruption and insurgency get the country working again, if elected on February 14.

Buhari spoke on Tuesday to over 40,000 supporters at the APC official flag-off of the presidential campaign in Port Harcourt, Rivers State capital.

He told the people that his interest "is for the nation to be free from the current calamities."

The former Head of State assured Nigerians: "I will ensure that there is no room for corruption and insurgency in the country. We will assemble a team of professionals in the country to ensure job creation, wealth and security for the betterment of the country.

I thought that was their private conversation? No?

He also told the Queen that the Pope is a catholic - statement of the bleeding obvious by any measure.

I don't get it.

Surely getting an invitation to attend the summit is an implicit accusation that corruption is an issue in your country..... and accepting that invitation is an implicit acknowledgement? Who is offended here?

I'm offended the sheer hypocrisy - there are two sides to corruption, the corrupter and the corruptees. One criticizing the other is a bit f*cking rich.

Transparency International CPI.

JFGI.

Am I missing something here? International anti-corruption summit, leaders of some "fantastically corrupt countries" invited, so that leaders of the international community can discuss the issue and support those with greater problems
DC hasn't criticised their leaders, he's invited leaders that are actively fighting acknowledged corruption in their countries

It's all about how you phrase it, they are not corrupt but integrity depleted/challenged same as we are not allowed to point at fat people any more.

It's good to be honest at these things, unless the first seminar was about how to structure bribes and hide payments...

I heard that the Nigerians fiddle their election expenses - fantastically corrupt!

Pot calling kettle black IMO.

What is perhaps pertinent here is that the filming was done by the Palaces' own tv crew and production team, who knowingly released this clip to the world media.

Perhaps the royal household have also had enough and putting in place the first steps of their own coup?

And if that doesn't make you think... Then Eurovision will...

Sure CMD is just stating the bleeding obvz 🙄

It's a disgrace! Mr Tombatuu the Nigerian businessman who contacted me the other week has been nothing short of honest, upstanding and courteous. He's even offered to let me hold some of his money in my bank account. Shame more people aren't like him!

Not often I'd side with Dave but I don't see what the fuss is about either. They [i]are[/i] fantastically corrupt countries. Pretending that they are not is hardly the best approach at a conference on corruption.

them Chinese are rude as well. They offended the ambassador, according to the queen. How rude!

They are fantastically corrupt countries. Pretending that they are not is hardly the best approach at a conference on corruption.

True but snickering about it in typical Lord Snooty style is not the best way to bring the issue up.

Did you watch the actual clip Dr?

All seems a slightly awkward conversation noteworthy mainly for the balanced intervention of Welby. If there was a real tit there it was unsurprisingly Berkow.

Did you watch the actual clip Dr?

Yes I did, hence my comment.

What's the issue? Both leaders of the countries named admit their countries are corrupt and they want help.

They are having a meeting this week to discuss it, if nothing else Dave brought some publicity to something that otherwise would have not made the press, after all the Dail Mail only want to report negative news.

As others have said, hardly news.

I'm very surprised that this, and the Chinese comments, have been made public. Surely politicians and heads of state should be able to have conversations without it being front page "news"? What are the rules of engagement for this cameraman?

Yes I did, hence my comment.

That's what I thought

But Cameron is right. As an example of the depth of the corruption that is ruining Nigeria, there is virtually no public electricity supply. Lagos has a population of around 16 million yet it has a generating capacity for about half a million. It's widely believed this is because certain ministers receive a commission on the sale of every generator sold in Nigeria and hence there is no incentive for the government to invest in public electricity generation.

My colleague in Lagos celebrates if he gets an hour a week of "light" and spends a fortune on diesel for his gen. The massive extra cost cost kills businesses, the fluctuations and outages wreck your electrical equipment and "no light" is the excuse for any public servant who can't be bothered to do the job.

Cameron's only mistake was to say it in public.

Clumsy to discuss near cameras, but it's stating the obvious. I'm not enraged.

DC hasn't criticised their leaders, he's invited leaders that are actively fighting acknowledged corruption in their countries

Its one of those statements we could all make but a "world statesman "before a conference on the issue should have had the sense and diplomacy to keep his gob shut.

GIven the UK and tax havens and his reluctance, PR spin aside, to do anything about it it was also astoundingly hypocritical

We are not corrupt we just profit from everyone elses corruption and keep the transactions secret.

Did you watch the actual clip Dr?

One wonders how he ever managed to hold down a job in PR.

Cameron should be critisized for making such a bland statement, no great revelation and hardly incisive. Reminds me of that Morecomb and Wise sketch,

Name: David Cameron
Specialist Subject: The Bleeding Obvious

I am just glad we have a PM who has lived in the real world before becoming a career politician 😉

I'm no Dave fan but occasionally even he makes sense. Though perhaps he could look a bit closer to home for where these corrupt foreigners hide their money in plain sight. Fantastic for London of course!

Dave didn't say this in public, Buhari does and regularly. It was part of the latter's election case

Perspective?

OH THM Your attempt to spin to defend him is endearingly neutral 😆
He said it in front of a camera that was recording...if you wish to term this not in public then the very best of luck persuading folk to this view, you are going to need it what with the facts just not supporting this.

loving the queen's comments on the chinese, I wish we heard her express an opinion more often.

Though perhaps he could look a bit closer to home for where these corrupt foreigners hide their money in plain sight. Fantastic for London of course!

huh? what? err. It appears your *rse is doing the typing for you.

She didn't make comments about the Chinese - she described the behaviour of some Chinese officials towards the ambassador.

Both stories typify how the desperate need for 24 hour news strains common sense and basic rational thought.

we'll be having Bojo on next talking about tobacco or bullfighting...(and lying about the cost of EU membership)

Dave didn't say this in public

Right, he was jus' chillin' with Her Madge and the Rev Canterbury. How much more public can you friggin' get?

The crowds were enormous Doc, true....they are releasing the script at 13:00 today on the BBC News in case anyone missed it. Jeremy Kyle starts on ITV soon too for the froth seekers and cerebrally challenged

How much more public can you get? Obvious answer, a very great deal.

Skinny lattes all round, except in Bercow's case

Out of interest, are you attending the summit with the rest of the public?

I really don't think anyone (sensible) is claiming that Nigeria and Afghanistan are low-corruption countries and that Cameron is being unfair to them with his comments.

Whether it's appropriate for the PM of the country hosting the anti-corruption summit to be making those comments with the Head of State (gawblesser) and the Archpriest of the state sanctioned fairy-tale cult while being filmed and recorded is what's in question. IMO, while not exactly the sin of the century, it's a bit stupid to be talking so loosely - does nothing to get the leaders of those countries on one's side, alienates them further and allows them to go back to their people saying that the white man still thinks they're just a bunch of piccaninnies who can't be trusted to manage their own affairs - look, the PM said it to the Queen. This is the power of words and why they should be chosen carefully.

I don't know why anyone would be trying to swing it round to simply defending the veracity of what he said - it's like some people have an agenda or something. Christ on a bike, I can only imagine the right-wing-nut-job circle jerk we'd be having this morning if Corbyn uttered something similar.

Cameron "worked" in PR - yet every so often he makes gaffes like these - it's almost as if he was employed [i]in spite[/i] of his skills, not [i]because[/i] of them. Although I'm sure all those firms never employ mates and sons of mates and same-school-tie-wearing individuals because of who they are, not what they can do. Those days are long gone.

Jeremy Kyle starts on ITV soon too for the froth seekers and cerebrally challenged

Give it a rest mate, seriously.

Out of interest, are you attending the summit with the rest of the public?

My guess would be that by "fantastically corrupt" he (and "all" politicians) probably means ... "they'll let us do whatever we like, as long as we bung 'em a few quid first"

Indeed DD - hence "[i]very stupid thing to be caught saying[/i]...."

ok forget the froth, prefer a filter coffee with hot skimmed milk please

"[b]caught[/b]" being the operative word, scaredy? Point well made, thank you.

One wonders how he ever managed to hold down a job in PR.

By all accounts he was not very good at it. Caught out pretending to be the cleaner on one occasion too.

medders, are you the only person in the country who doesn't realise that the London property market, not to mention the banks and the off-shore industry in British dependencies, is stuffed full of dodgy money?

"caught" being the operative word, scaredy? Point well made, thank you.

You do this quite a bit - and what's happening, as you appear divorced [EDIT: at times] from others' interpretations, is that no-one has a clue what point you're making.

Don't worry about it DD - I accept the contrast between being caught on camera and saying things in public is a subtle one.

Enjoy the story...

A nothing story, he's right, move along.

Don't worry about it DD

I'm not worried about it thm - it's just that y'know, try actually making a point rather than trusting people to infer the right one, while all the time telling them they're inferring the wrong one. I don't know why you're so afraid all the time of making one.

Enjoy the story...

Trademark thm, right there.

OK DD don't enjoy it then. You decide.

Dragon, its a very big story and my last two jobs involved advising people on investment in Nigeria among other things. I welcomed Buhari and his initiatives although feared (and still fear) that his weak grasp on issues such as the Naira and the rest of the economy might mean that weak economic performance might overwhelm his good intentions re tackling corruption. We shall see...

OK DD don't enjoy it then. You decide.

I don't know...you appear a bit mixed up now thm. But thanks for leaving the decision in my hands. It means a lot.

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Seriously? In a pigs mouth?

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Good, let me know how it goes.

Odd that the fairy-tale cult wizard was the most sensible of the three blokes caught on camera - perhaps that was his "real world" experience?

wwaswas 😀

It genuinely isn't a big story Nigeria is horrendously corrupt, so where is the story? The thing that is going to be killing Nigeria right now is the oil price, like all the other nations relying on oil the price drop is hammering their economy and with Saudi holding a hard-line on production rates, this looks like it will be prolonged.

them Chinese are rude as well. They offended the ambassador, according to the queen. How rude!

Apparently he offered them a Ferrero Rocher and they refused.

Cyclical factors v structural ones

The Oil price has bounced, corruption remains....

If it isn't a big story, how come they elected a President who claimed exactly the opposite? He wasn't worried about oil, FX reserves etc...he had one thing on his mind. Buhari views his legacy as stamping out corruption, hence his justified annoyance at Dave being "caught" on camera...

Someone has to offer them money/bribes to make these country's corrupt 🙄 and i am sure that England has done it's fair share of bungs.

Are they the most corrupt though? America, Spain, England etc. All those places have government officials who are getting found out as being bent.

"caught" being the operative word, scaredy? Point well made, thank you.

They had a quote from a Nigerian Nurse in London "At least Nigerians all know their government is corrupt!".

Id' say the way that huge numbers of UK public assets are being transferred to private ownership (not leased, not sold but just given away) will be seen as corrupt in the future.

Comments "picked up by" the ITV pool news camera man....quite

Looking forward to the DVD (if I am wrong) and this really was all being captured officially for public consumption - as PR Dave went on to say, likely to be some fruity discussions behind otherwise closed doors. We'll have fun watching it...

There's been some interesting articles about Afghanistan and the amount of money poured in post US led occupation. A significant number of soldiers and police on the payroll don't actually exist, local administrators are claiming their pay cheques. Apparently, it took the US a very long time to realise just how to grease the wheels of business there.

I reckon Dave sent some of his tax free savings from the Virgin Islands to Nigeria so that they can get their cosmonaut home after twenty five years on an abandoned Soviet space station. It would be in keeping with how his government have treated the British economy.

Jeremy Kyle starts on ITV soon too for the froth seekers and cerebrally challenged

How much more public can you get? Obvious answer, a very great deal

are you attending the summit with the rest of the public?

my last two jobs involved advising people on investment in Nigeria

Odd that the fairy-tale cult wizard was the most sensible of the three blokes caught on camera

I reckon Dave sent some of his tax free savings from the Virgin Islands to Nigeria

Given the collapse in the currency (not the official quote) he would have been a mug to have done that. That would be reason to resign...

Give it a rest mate, seriously.

@tmh please remember its one rule for us amd one for them. Also Boris is on about vacuum cleaners and bananas today

Agreed not the smartest comment ever by Cameron, very clumbsy. Fortunately he didn't include Greece which he could easily have done.

discussions behind otherwise closed doors

Anyone know for sure

Certainly the pre amble is being broadcast live

http://thecommonwealth.org/tacklingcorruptiontogether

which comes from the govt website

https://www.gov.uk/government/topical-events/anti-corruption-summit-london-2016/about

Not sure but thought I did hear it was being done in the open

[i] Boris is on about vacuum cleaners and bananas today[/i]

Today is Cornish Pasty day for Boris...

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(protected as a regional food under EU regulations, oh the irony)

Oi, leave my Greek friends out of it....

I though you were away, hence the return of my shadow 😉

I've tried to avoid Bojo today, there's only a certain amount of froth one can take in a day. Calorie count on a latte is horrific!!

@tmh please remember its one rule for us amd one for them

I think most folk on a discussion platform are actually able to say what they mean when they post.

@dd oh the ironing

😀

I'd normally feel a bit miffed but as it's you, jamba, who some days, exist in an irony vacuum, I'll let it go. I guess this is one of those days.

"us" eh? 😆

MoreCashThanDash - Member
Surely politicians and heads of state should be able to have conversations without it being front page "news"?

What if it's about 'just a sort of bigoted woman'?

Which incidentally, was also true. 🙂

EDIT: Ah bugger...that was supposed to be under Lifer's post. 😐

But the Nigerian president, who came to power last year on a promise to fight corruption, has said he will not be demanding an apology from the British prime minister.

Asked at an anti-corruption conference in London if Nigeria was "fantastically corrupt", Mr Buhari replied: "Yes."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36266171

Well that's that square circled then!!! 😉

Horse's mouth and all that.... 😀

And I just fancied a post-lunch coffee too

well that killed that stone dead then...

I was hoping for MOAR OUTRAGE!

How does that compare with faux outrage?

BBC bias again ! How dare they do such a thing ? Lets start a petiton for Kuenssberg's sacking. Damned Zionst media.

Where is the fourth horseman of the right wing apocalypse ?

Is the sun shining in Paris Jambas? Spooky isn't it!!

After the anti-Semitism nonsense with KL, I am surprised that the racist card has not been played here. DD hinted at it, but nothing more.... 😉

Lefties are clearly not as ready to do false flags as you righties -Imagine. 😆 😛

See I added them so clearly no malice intended 8)