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A 10 second google search suggests:

Asparagus

Per serving, asparagus delivers over 3g of protein. This lanky, green vegetable is extremely versatile, as it can be boiled, grilled, steamed or fried.

Cauliflower

Excellent in curries and soups and equally appealing eaten mashed or as a steamed side dish; not only is cauliflower versatile and healthy but it contains 3g of protein per serving.
Broccoli and Brussels Sprouts

Tying for fourth place are two more examples of healthy, green vegetables: broccoli and brussels sprouts. Both of these vegetables are protein-rich, low in fat and easily prepared; making them ideal side-dishes.

Artichoke

Artichoke is another vegetable that is high on the list when it comes to protein content. Serving up just under 3g of protein per serving, artichokes are an excellent addition to pasta, salads and soups and provide an earthy, intense flavour.

Watercress

Tiny yet surprisingly rich in protein, watercress is next on the list. Per 100g serving, watercress delivers almost 3g of protein, which, for its size, renders it an excellent source of the nutrient. Perfect for salads, soups and sandwiches, watercress can easily find its way into your diet.

Sweetcorn

It might be slightly more calorific than the other vegetables listed here, but sweetcorn also has its benefits: Per serving, it contains almost 3g of protein and is a delicious addition to many popular recipes.

Nuts, pulses, leafy greens, lentils.

As my youngest son doesn't like most types of meat, what veg's are going to fill in for the protein, minerals etc he's missing out on?

Oh, and if he has a decent balanced vegetation diet he won't be "missing out" on anything much, meat isn't the be all and end all of protein and minerals.....

A balanced fruit and veg diet will tick all the protien boxes, a common mistake for esp new vegans is not taking in enough carbs in a day, if you calculate the carbs daily, almost by default you will also tick the protien box.

A balanced fruit and veg diet will tick all the protien boxes, a common mistake for esp new vegans is not taking in enough carbs in a day, if you calculate the carbs daily, almost by default you will also tick the protien box.

This ^

Meals out will be a nightmare as will breakfasts at hotels,not many vegatarian takeaway options, no pies or bacon butties, as youll be braanded eveil for killing animals for food, then it will be followed by no cheese ,milk only sya stuff,no cream not even ice cream.

Best see if some tree hugging,veggie will adopt him, bag of lentils should swing the deal.

Chicken.? Chicken is veggie right.?

Nuts, pulses, leafy greens, lentils

Meals out will be a nightmare

I think folk over worry about this when folk go veggies but read up its not that big a concern tbh

as above and add

TOFU...... some pretty good stuff

eggs......protein city

Pulses.....lots of options

Meals out will be a nightmare

Cobblers.

Project you are either speaking from a timewarp back in the late 70s or speaking bollocks.

Eating out is dead easy these days, plenty of veggie options even in McDs and quite often it is the nicer option on the menu.

Plenty of options available - been veggie for 28yrs and we are all veggie including the hulking monster teenagers in filling up the lounge at the moment.

Andypaul99 is spot on.

My eldest isn't veggie, but is fussy about eating meat. We found that she will eat mince, so that might be worth trying.

You could probably trick them as easily with veggie mince if you wish to respect their choices.

To be clear I doubt mike meant trick a veggie.

This site has some imaginative and good recipes. Lots of cakes too if he has a sweet tooth.
[url] http://www.theppk.com/recipes/ [/url]

Very few places do not have a veggie option -

very few have a vegan option sadly that was the peak of accuracy in your post - does eating meat affect your IQ?

No. stupid comment

Project you are either speaking from a timewarp back in the late 70s or speaking bollocks.

Eating out is dead easy these days, plenty of veggie options even in McDs and quite often it is the nicer option on the menu.

The above was based on the workmate i work with, veggie, want eat meat,pies,bacon,etc milk, chocolate and cheese.

so its chips and beans or veggie curry then.

and point blank refuses to enter the chavfifedom of mcdonalds, so thats out, also not many small cafes round where we work do vegie options, and if i buy a pie immade to feel like a third class killer, an animal died to provide with that pie blah, blah , blah.

I think Project is saying it'll be a nightmare for Dad as he'll have to join in! My daughter is veggie and I hardly eat any meat now. Try it it's fine

Ah right so your sample size is one then and a vegan not a veggie.

That sure disproved the IQ comment 😉

To be clear I doubt mike meant trick a veggie.

Yep, it was a suggestion for meat for someone who's not keen on meat but isn't a veggie.

Give him steak

OP fish is quite good. Most Vegetarians eat that.

OP fish is quite good. Most Vegetarians eat that.

Cobblers.

Nice trolling Hora. Precisely zero vegetarians eat fish.

Does he not like the taste of meat or is it the look/idea of eating animals?

That Quorn stuff in my opinion doesn't taste like meant at all but has a decent amount of protein in it and if it seems bland (which it really is!) then you can cover it in sauce.

Most people eat way more protein than they really need anyhow.

After a couple of days without food he'll be only too eager to eat meat.

does eating meat affect your IQ?

No.

But we haven't given up hope that one day it will 😉

As others have said plenty of vegetable matter contains protein. If you're son is eating absolutely no meat/fish then the only note is essential amino acids. We can synthesis all the proteins we need from the protein we eat but there are a few of building blocks we can't synthesise/convert so they need to be in the diet. So its important to get a range of veg because (with the exception of Quinoa IIRC) there aren't many veg that give all those essential ones in a oner. Its not overly complicated just make sure there some of each of these types food going down the cake hole -
grains/cereals,
nuts,
eggs,
dairy,
beans/peas
and in addition soya in one of its myriad forms.

You don't need to get all that in one meal or one day, or probably even one week but so long as theres bits of all of that most of the time you should be good.

If he's so fussy that he won't it most of that then things like Whey protein are formulated so that they have all the Essentials in there.

Does he like smoothies?

After a couple of days without food he'll be only too eager to eat meat.

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What... He doesn't even like bacon?

Hummus ftw

Hummus ftw

The thinking man's Ketchup 🙂

A vegetarian that is fussy about what vegetable he eats...? Jeepers. Guava halves?

it may affect IQ but thankfully it does not affect humour

A vegetarian that is fussy about what vegetable he eats

no

As my youngest son doesn't like most types of meat

not a vegetarian, just not a big fan of some meat it seams. To be frank most people eat too much meat out of laziness and lack of imagination so he's probably on the right track (until he discovers roast duck)

What's wrong with milk?

It's got plenty of protein in it, and is good for growing [s]cows[/s] children by definition.

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I am very confused by veggies who don't eat meat because they think it's wrong to kill animals for food but still drink milk.

Hold on. The kid's not going to be vegan, is he? Just veggie.

Does he like milk, cheese, eggs? If so, sorted.

Drinking Milk confuses me, with the exception of Babies feeding from their Mothers lm not sure why grown adults feel the need to suckle from a cow?

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Hold on. The kid's not going to be vegan, is he? Just veggie.

The kid isn't 'going' anything, they just don't like meat.

I am very confused by veggies who don't eat meat because they think it's wrong to kill animals for food but still drink milk.

Because they don't understand the full milk-production process?

Drinking Milk confuses me, with the exception of Babies feeding from their Mothers lm not sure why grown adults feel the need to suckle from a cow?

I think humans are the only animal that consumes any milk after weaning, and the only one who drinks milk from another species. We're certainly the only animal that buys a powdered commercially-produced version of something produced for free and naturally by the child's mother.

I think humans are the only animal that consumes any milk after weaning, and the only one who drinks milk from another species.

... and only in the northern hemisphere, basically:

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We're certainly the only animal that buys a powdered commercially-produced version of something produced for free and naturally by the child's mother.

Some mothers have problems producing enough milk, it's not quite as cut and dried as you make out.

and only in the northern hemisphere, basically

People of northern European origin are the only people who can digest it. Something to do with an enzyme needed.

Some mothers have problems producing enough milk, it's not quite as cut and dried as you make out.

I wasn't judging anyone, though I suspect that number's considerably lower than the number of people who buy formula milk.

Drinking Milk confuses me, with the exception of Babies feeding from their Mothers lm not sure why grown adults feel the need to suckle from a cow?

Because it tastes nice...

Drinking Milk confuses me, with the exception of Babies feeding from their Mothers lm not sure why grown adults feel the need to suckle from a cow?

A milkshake is a great recovery drink after a hard run.

Because it tastes nice...

Things that 'taste nice' got us to this point in evolution..

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A balanced fruit and veg diet will tick all the protien boxes, a common mistake for esp new vegans is not taking in enough carbs in a day, if you calculate the carbs daily, almost by default you will also tick the protien box.

+1

I am very confused by veggies who don't eat meat because they think it's wrong to kill animals for food but still drink milk.

No need to be confused. Just like meat eaters, vegetarians are vegetarian for all sorts of different reasons. Some of them can even be hypocritical too, just like people who eat meat can be.

Taking a stance on something is surely a good thing, Or if you decide to do something you think is positive, should that mean that unless you are 100% infallable in every area of life, you should completely give up?

To the OP, there is no trouble whatsoever in getting all you need from a veggie diet, so long as it's healthy and balanced, just like a meat-based diet. Hope you enjoy broadening your foodie repertoire. 🙂

I think humans are the only animal that consumes any milk after weaning, and the only one who drinks milk from another species.

I think cats would beg to differ. But its a pretty meaningless making comparisons between ourselves and other species - they have their diets and and a physiology that has evolved around it and we have ours - and ours has evolved around our farming activities as much as our previous hunting and gathering ones. Early humans didn't consume milk form other species because it wasn't really available and they couldn't have digested it properly if it was. But for quite a long time humans have been keeping livestock rather than chasing it and growing crops rather than foraging and out physiology has changed to reflect that

Its a relatively recent part of human evolution to drink milk its only since the advent of farming rather than hunting and even then early farmers tapped cows for their blood rather than their milk as that was available all the time rather than in small amounts sometimes. Some cultures some still do tap cows for blood, or make a mixture of blood and milk to eat. Theres nothing broadly unhealthy about drinking milk unless you're not personally well adapted to it. Its only unhealthy to drink too much of it, but then its unhealthy to drink or eat too much of anything.

Consuming too much is easy as there milk hidden in pretty much everything so you can decide not eat milk, butter or cheese and still be consuming quite a bit of it

. We're certainly the only animal that buys a powdered commercially-produced version of something produced for free and naturally by the child's mother.

This is true.
Absolutely no other animal appears to use a cash based policy for obtaining resources.

My two kids are vegan. They haven't died yet and are perfectly healthy, and other than giving them a normal varied diet, we don't pay much attention to making sure they get x amount of protein/minerals or anything else like that.

As for the veggies being hypocrites for drinking milk thing, if you follow the logic to it's end the only viable option to be strictly 'cruelty free' would be to become self-sufficient and grow all your own food and make all your own clothes/household products/medicines etc. That's not exactly feasible in this country so compromises have to be made. You can either focus on the positive things you do, or the negative things you don't.

You can either focus on the positive things you do, or the negative things you don't.

Well said.

vegetarians are vegetarian for all sorts of different reasons

From my first post

because they think it's wrong to kill animals for food

you are 100% infallable in every area of life

Well it's not its a minor slip is it?

If you take the stance that you think "Meat is Murder" how can you support an industry that slaughters roughly 50% of its animals at birth?

Drinking Milk confuses me

It's not that confusing. It's healthy, nutritous, readily availble (if you farm beef) and tasty. Also useful for making lots of other really yummy but less healthy things.

plenty of veggie options even in McDs

Haven't been in there for years, what else (vegetarian) can you get apart from fries and a cup of tea?

[quoteIt's not that confusing. It's healthy, nutritous, readily availble (if you farm beef) and tasty.

My biggest health and fitness benefits came when i gave up dairy. What healthy nutritious foods can you make with dairy products that you could,nt make with other more healthy alternatives?

My biggest health and fitness benefits came when i gave up dairy

What benefits are those? I've had to give up dairy but I'm not noticing or able to measure a way in which I'm either healthier or fitter as a result.

@natrix - last thing I had was a veggie wrap - kind of like a poor man's falafel wrap but will do when the need arises, also seem to recall salad boxes.

My biggest health and fitness benefits came when i gave up dairy.

Not everyone deals with it well, for sure - just like wheat and quite a few other foods probably.

But for a lot of people it is healthy and nutritious.

What benefits are those?

Less bloated, clearer skin esp face where i used to get rashes around my eyes, my power on the bike vs h.r went up and h.r recovery was faster to rest. I phased different things out of my diet over a period of 6 months to vegan. I cut dairy in June and noticed the differences within a couple of weeks. The changes with dairy were more noticable than any other change, like cutting excess salt, red meat, fizzy drinks etc

Another huge change was just drinking water in leu of all other liquids ,although i do have one cup of organic coffee a day... im finding that harder to give up

readily availble (if you farm beef)

Nothing to do with farming beef.

Milk comes from dairy cows. If you farm beef you do not milk your herd.

I should've said 'if you farm cows'.

Do they still get dairy cows pregnant to get them lactating? Or is that old fashioned now? Does that not produce a surplus of cows?

Does that not produce a surplus of cows?

We farm Beef Cattle (144 of the buggers) at the farm and we don't force anything.
We let them eat grass and shit.
No idea about lactating MooCows for milk production but suggest it's probably soo 1970's..

As far as popping into restaurants goes, I've never had issues with Veggie options, most restatuants off this choice, if they don't they are frankly idiots. Issue I do have though is the quiality of preparation of the Veggie options, ie: if it's stew, does it have animal stock in it.. that's my main question when in restaurants.

Of course they get them pregnant why do you think they lactate - its not for you its for the calf that is removed. Also tends to be done by artificial insemination as well

I am very confused by veggies who don't eat meat because they think it's wrong to kill animals for food but still drink milk.

So the choices are
1. You are just confused
2. you are a troll
3. you spend too much time thinking about other folks diets

MM interesting I notice a pattern of you being confused by those who dont eat meat

DO meat eaters confuse you or just those ****er deniers of flesh?
Why would they boil a lobster alive but only a monster would do this to a baby robbin or kitten?

As far as popping into restaurants goes, I've never had issues with Veggie options, most restatuants off this choice, if they don't they are frankly idiots. Issue I do have though is the quiality of preparation of the Veggie options, ie: if it's stew, does it have animal stock in it.. that's my main question when in restaurants.

As an ex-veggie I can tell you it's definitely an issue if you travel abroad - although in Madrid, at least, it's got a lot easier over the past 15 years.

Why would they boil a lobster alive but only a monster would do this to a bay robbin or kitten?

😀 Makes sense thanks for your expertise....you monster 😉

Not to mention a lobster is basically a giant sea cockroach, and who cares about 'roaches?

Junkyard - Yes I am confused as I have not seen an explanation in how they handle their dilemma.

As I said above about veggies who eat dairy for the reasons stated above.
It would seem to me for somebody who feels so strongly about something and can make the decision to not eat meat, surely skipping on diary for the same reasons is a very obvious and easy progression?

The question I asked about vegans, who wish to avoid all animal products, how do you do it? Personally, I think in the 1st World it is impossible to completely avoid foods that are not directly connected to the mass commercial slaughter of animals, so where would someone draw the line and how far do people go to avoid this?

Do they still get dairy cows pregnant to get them lactating? Or is that old fashioned now? Does that not produce a surplus of cows?

The surplus of dairy cows are how we get veal, which is delicious.

you need to keep an eye on amino acids (as opposed to protein) if you are veggie. eggs are the only veggie option with all 9 essential amino acids in. (meat has them all)

you need to be careful about eating them in successive meals because they only last a short time in the body.

There are little tricks which become easy. lemon juice on salad, nuts in stir fry etc.

[url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vegetarian-Sports-Nutrition-Enette-Larson/dp/0736063617 ]this book[/url] is helpful if you want to read up.

The question I asked about vegans, who wish to avoid all animal products, how do you do it?

The short answer: With great difficulty. In reality though it's not as much of an issue as you think. In general it's very easy to be vegan in respect to the obvious stuff like meat, dairy products, wearing leather etc. It gets more difficult when you consider food additives and ingredients, cosmetics, medicines etc. Even something as simple as beer is a minefield. However this is all assuming that you see veganism as a complete and total boycott of anything that comes from an animal. The reality is different. Most vegans I know (myself included) see it less as of a black and white label, and more as a lifestyle choice which gives you something to aim for. You do the things you can, within your own limits, and you focus on the positive things, rather than dwell on the negative things. It is after all a positive lifestyle choice so it makes little sense to worry about small negative things for the sake of a label. I always preferred the term 'cruelty free' to veganism anyway.

You do the things you can, within your own limits, and you focus on the positive things, rather than dwell on the negative things.

dazh- Thanks for the insight.

Even something as simple as beer is a minefield.

Veggie / Vegan here

Overall its not as hard as you think and the whole argument as to where do you get your protein from etc is a non-starter, its very easy to get all your daily needs from Vegan food. Feel loads healthier when i went from a carnivore to vegetarian and a loads healthier again when i cut dairy out of my diet. Have never drunk milk, never will.

eggs are the only veggie option with all 9 essential amino acids in

Your body finds it [i]easier[/i] to get these amino acids from plants than it does from eggs, dairy and meat.

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Edit: This table is on a per-calorie basis, which is obviously easy to confuse. Don't go thinking that it's by weight.
That means that you'd have to eat an awful lot of iceburg lettuce to make it a complete source of protein (hence the advice to combine), but I wanted to show that they are all 'complete' proteins.

What!
As I understand it, that's simply not the case.
All plant-based proteins have all of them. They differ in the amounts, so by combining them your body has the ability to make protein.

Your body finds it easier to get these amino acids from plants than it does from eggs, dairy and meat.

This.

Some mis-informed information being posted here. As stated, your body can extract and use the essential amino acids far better from plant based sources as well as nuts and pulses etc.

What about iron?

Docs advice to anaemic people is meat, afaik. From reading on the subject it would appear that it is easier to get iron from meat than plants.

Again a myth. There is more iron in things like squash, pumpkin seeds and nuts than there is in meat. Lentils have the same percentage content of Iron as meat. (There are differences between heme and non-heme sources of iron, heme is easier to absorb but non-heme is better regulated and better for the body.)