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He's fed up that Abu Qatada isnt getting deported. And apparently ministers "moved heaven and earth" to ensure that he would be deported.
Wind your neck in Dave and respect the laws of the country fella.
I'm fed up of this country and call me Dave. Can I be deported?
No, I'm afraid to be deported and denied right to stay here you have to serve in military first, then they can disown you properly.
I'm fed up that we can't deport Dave to Iran.
Easy answer for you, 'Dave'. Haul our armed forces out of the various theatres of operation then he'll have no cause to spout his bile about and the alleged threat will be neutralised and lives and money saved.
We'll get rid of him eventually. Bank on it. I shall celebrate when we do.
yup i'm with dave. we should detain him for years without trial then ignore the rule of law and fly him to a place where he'll have his testicles wired to a car battery before he's collected his luggage from the carousel.
it's what all those people who died fighting for freedom and justice would have wanted..
He'll go, just not yet
I have no time for his kind, they've invested so much time and energy into hate and blaming others for everything they don't like, they're afraid to see things any other way now.
He'll go, just not yetI have no time for his kind, they've invested so much time and energy into hate and blaming others for everything they don't like, they're afraid to see things any other way now.
Well that's the Tories for you. 😀
It's not 'his kind' that's keeping him here, it's the legal Industry and I use the word Industry very deliberately, thanks to Mrs Blair whispering in her husbands ear, the legal industry has been doing very nicely from all this and the thousands of other claims from immigrants.
He is of course on legal aid, paid for of course by us tax paying saps, as of course is the governments side, so both ways we are being royally screwed, whilst our legal betters make millions and the lower orders face cut backs and redundancy.
Not to menion the other handouts given by our wonderful state to whoever manages to turn up on our shores with a tale of woe..
Doesn't it just keep you warm at night knowing we're so liberal with our money?
I think jota was not so delicately referring to dave. Nevertheless a term like "his kind" is quite telling about the person uttering it; no matter who it's aimed at.
Well that's the Tories for you
I did mean both cmd and the Arab fella
I'm quite pleased I live in a country that takes care of people who turn up and want our help
^^^^ So your happy for people to turn up on our shores with a fake passport and take the pi55 for ten yrs?? Hasn't this waste of oxygen fathered kids here who are now in jail for armed robbery??? Jesus wept.... How many of his wives/harem are we keeping never mind just him, no wonder he looked happy this morning!
as well an appeal, the government would "do everything we can to make sure that we do have the power to expel and deport people from our country who have no right to be there and mean us harm".
Has he considered putting a well evidenced case before the courts or perhaps charging him with an offence in this country?
The law applies equally to all even those the state dislikes.
Cant the secret service do their job and get rid of scrotes like this quietly ?.The Russians and Israelies manage it.
david cameron is fed up......
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if qatada is so fracking dangerous why dont we just charge him and chuck him in jail
as far as im aware all hes done is block a cul de sac off in finsbury park
I'm quite pleased I live in a country that takes care of people who turn up and want our help
Indeed. It's awesome we take care of...[url= http://www.bigissue.com/features/1655/deportation-commonwealth-troops-morally-unjust ]oh hang on[/url].
I think a few of you are mixing up Qatada with Hamza. A few more of you clearly don't understand the somewhat silly legal technicality he used to get bail. He will go. But will take time.
does he live in Finsbury Park?
:peers through net curtains:
[quote=Nonsense ]I think a few of you are mixing up Qatada with Hamza.
"They all look the same...."
who are you quoting there?
What was the "somewhat silly" legal technicality?
Dan Hodges - Always a good read, IMHO.
Is this the "legal technicality"?
" the court ruled there was no guarantee evidence that may be submitted against him in any subsequent court case will not itself have been extracted via torture; ie that third party’s rights may, in theory, have been abused."
ooops hamza/qatada
which one has the hook?
Curse those lawyers and their fancy legal talk!
bloodynora - Member
^^^^ So your happy for people to turn up on our shores with a fake passport and take the pi55 for ten yrs?? Hasn't this waste of oxygen fathered kids here who are now in jail for armed robbery??? Jesus wept.... How many of his wives/harem are we keeping never mind just him, no wonder he looked happy this morning!
if hes only been here for 10 years and the kids he fathered here are in prison for armed robbery he sounds like fagan!!
now that you mention it....
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and he has a harem?
i suggest you need to cross reference your sources asap, the daily star website?
i suggest you need to cross reference your sources asap,
kimbers - Member
ooops hamza/qatada
😉
HOdges - I could some fun at a dnner party with him
Right wing nonesense with a healthy dose of lefty bashing and a lack of attention to detail ... I can't think what you see in it cpt 😉
This is not someone who has been unfairly singled out by the British state; he is a global fugitive from justice. And even the most wishy-washy liberal should have some aversion to commuters on the Northern Line having their arms and legs blown off.
Nice debating style he has there - off he seems to list a long list of offences he has "done" and yet he has never been charged here and we dont have enough evidence to do so and he forgets to mention this
Jordan torture people and may use evidence from torture to prosecute him - we dont have enough evidence - should we just torture someone till we have?
Something separates us from the lawless and it is this.t is unpleasant , it may be unpalatable but it s good that the law can be stronger than the state and this makes us all safer[if not safer because he is here]
If he is so guilty then charge him
I'm quite pleased I live in a country that takes care of people who turn up and want our help
Me too. Except criminals. I don't care where he goes, put him on a flippin Eurostar for all I care. We should still be able to deport any immigrants we choose to. The old three walled cell is something we need.
[quote=wrecker ]I'm quite pleased I live in a country that takes care of people who turn up and want our help
Me too. Except criminals. I don't care where he goes, put him on a flippin Eurostar for all I care. [b]We should still be able to deport any immigrants we choose to[/b]. The old three walled cell is something we need.
What crime has he committed?
wrecker - Member
We'll get rid of him eventually. Bank on it. I shall celebrate when we do.
We need one of them Andy McNab types to accidentally pop him off
What crime has he committed?
He was found guilty of terrorism offences in his absence in Jordan in 1999.
Based on evidence obtained by torture, which would not stand up in this country?
Well, we'll at least have another militant cyclist, given his bail restrictions, the only way he can get about is on foot or by bike
Abu Qatada's bail conditionsTagged and allowed out of his home only between 08:00 and 16:00
[b]Banned from travelling on the Tube, or by train, car, motorbike or bus[/b]
Banned from contacting a number of named individuals
Only family members, his lawyer, emergency workers and social workers can enter his home without approval
Banned from using mobile phones, computers and other devices
Banned from attending mosques, leading prayers and giving lectures
Needs approval to take a job or enrol on a course
Allowed one bank account and must surrender his passport
Now, I think the real point here is probably that cycling didn't even cross their mind, or if it did they're perhaps hoping for a slight mishap with a car ???
oops double post - soz
Evidence which may or may not have been gained through torture. Jordan may not have the best record in human rights but it doesn't mean that they can't fairly try one of their own people, or identify a criminal without strapping the old electrodes on.
Anyway, the British govt and the vast majority of British people do not want him here. Moving him on (wherever) should not be this difficult.
as far as im aware all hes done is block a cul de sac off in finsbury park
kimbers - you are Entwistle's Home Affairs Correspondent and I claim my £5. 😀
if your claiming it from my bbc compensation package you can have a bit more than a fiver
wrecker - Member
We'll get rid of him eventually. Bank on it. I shall celebrate when we do.
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The terrorist or Call me Dave?
If he can only cycle, perhaps he'll turn up on here debating the age old 26/29er and geared or single speed options? And if he does manage to gain employment, where he'd spend his CTW scheme voucher. Whether Gore do a weatherproof Thobe that's hi-vis, and the pros of converting to SPD sandals. All tongue in cheek, some of my best friends are suspected terrorists!
I'm quite proud that our judges are prepared to take a stand against torture and quite ashamed that so many in this country think the rule of law and the prohibition on torture should own benefit those they approve of .
crankboy - Member
I'm quite proud that our judges are prepared to take a stand against torture and quite ashamed that so many in this country think the rule of law and the prohibition on torture should own benefit those they approve of .
+1
youd think after blair, straw, d milliband & co and their shameful record with renditions etc that this government might take a more principled approach
youd think after blair, straw, d milliband & co and their shameful record with renditions etc that this government might take a more principled approach
Which I guess they are doing given the fact that Qatada is still in the country.
Interestingly (or not) the human rights watch chap was hopeful that the fact that Jordan want him so badly, and the publicity of this case could apply pressure to Jordan to denounce torture (which is a good thing obviously). Before this is scoffed at, he also said that it had worked in other countries in recent times. It won't have a bearing on this case but could at least have a positive effect.
then he'll have no cause to spout his bile about
That is so far beyond naive and stupid, you couldn't see it with Hubble...
I think we should keep him here for the rest of his natural. We would know where he is, monitor his communications and neuter his terrorist activities completely, then there'd be no need to worry about torture-based evidence.
The only thing that was missing on his return to the house where he's living was someone to step forward and stick a custard pie in his smirking face. Imagine THAT image going viral.
I respect the judical ruling, however much it grates, for upholding the liberal principles we are fortunate to have in this country.
It would seem to me that the terms of his bail are sufficent to nulify his ability to be a threat. We should ask Jordan for a financial contribution towards his retention in this country and simply forget the whole affair until there is enough legitimate evidence to put him on trial.
Afternote: I am quite surprised that the terms of his bail have been sanctioned despite an apparent lack of legitimate evidence required to deport him for trial or to place him on trial here. Any innocent man should rightly be indignant with the curtailing of his liberties under these conditions. Perhaps this will be the next legal challenge used to rub our noses in this wholly unsavoury affair.
I think we should keep him here for the rest of his natural. We would know where he is, monitor his communications and neuter his terrorist activities completely,
I think he's cost us enough. Someone else can take a turn funding him.
I don't know this newspaper, so can make no comment on it's political standpoint but even if it half true, he can foxtrot right oscar.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/terror-kingpin-abu-qatadas-freedom-1433193
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/13/abu-qatada-english-court
£100K per week in surveillance on top of the £3M in legal aid on top of his benefits? No wonder he's smiling.
Much as I find his outpourings vile, weasley and offensive, especially considering that we are all contributing to his benefits bill, we have the concept of free speech in this country. If he is suspected of incitement, charge him. If he is suspected of hate crime, charge him. If he is suspected of doing *anything* illegal, charge him. If not, let him go. Detaining him only reinforces his stance in the mind of his deluded followers. We have had years to put a case together FFS! Alternatively, let him go, put him under surveillance and as soon as he commits an offense, nick him!
Banned from travelling on the Tube, or by train, car, motorbike or bus
Excellent rule!
So he can only travel by van, lorry, coach, quad bike, aeroplane or ferry ...
😆 😆 😆
You forgot helicopters and jet packs.
and bikes!
we have the concept of free speech in this country
Provided you toe the line of popular opinion and don't write anything contentious on FaceAche.
How many people have been arrested/investigated for stupid comments they've put on an internet page?
Free speech? pfffft.
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Didn't we use to condemn Aparthied South Africa for detention without cause and Banning Orders?
A Banning Order, and he has yet to be convicted of any crime. Welcome to Airstrip One...
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between Dave looking fed up there, and....
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If he did the Movember thing, we'd be there 😆
I 'ave a waffer theen meent for Dave.