[Closed] Calais - sum it up in 5 sentences for a foreigner pls?

Edit : I posted on the wrong thread, sorry

Haiku?

Want to be British?
Everyone does, it seems.
Apart from the Scots.

^^ Post of the Month

Where has this bollox come from about these refugees in Calais paying smugglers 10k to get there? It is just another lie to misrepresent the desperation of their situation.

My only feeling is of sorrow for the poor blighters. Imagine what life at home must be like if you have to resort to that.

Have you got the figures to hand as to how much they do pay smugglers, on average, MSP?

Isn't that a haiku fail? Only 6 syllables in the second line..

Not in my back yard!

That's five words....sorry!

Are they really refugees? They are in a perfectly civilized country (France) free from whatever drove them from their home country (if anything). The only reason to "break into" UK is the possibility of more money.

Have you got the figures to hand as to how much they do pay smugglers, on average, MSP?

Do you? Do you have any evidence that they paid anybody to smuggle them there?

There once was a man at a port
who suddenly had a thought
'if i get on this lorry,
I'll never be sorry
as they'll give me a car and a flat when i get caught.'

[i]Isn't that a haiku fail? Only 6 syllables in the second line..[/i]

and no seasonal inference

The only reason to "break into" UK is the possibility of more money.

They probably believe the same myths as all the racist cocks, about gold paved streets free homes and money growing on trees.

I would guess the guy who owns the boat that crosses the Med doesn't do it for charitable reasons. No idea what the "Fare" would be though? Your first born perhaps?

People desperate to flee squalid, dangerous lives headed to Europe to find a better life.

Some have chosen Britain as there final destination for various reasons - quite a few speak English as a second language so it's practical, some might have the idea The UK is some kind of garden of Eden - but really it's tabloid scaremongering to suggest every migrant from Africa and the Middle East wants to make it to the UK.

Calais is an obvious pinch point - it's the major port to reach the UK and security is tight - this is not a 'new' thing - there have been camps there for years.

In recent months the migrants have changed tactics and have become more brazen - this is causing delays in Calais which is pissing off holiday makers and truckers alike, be then there's been a lot of industrial action too which has been as big a factor.

Which all leads to the now probably decade old question - how to do you solve the problem of migrants with so many xenophobic voters in the UK? Theyll be waving thier Daily Mails from behind thier net curtains if we allow any to come to the UK, France was pretty tolerant to them living in camps until we pressured them to tear them down but won't give them asylum and the migrants won't head back east. I suspect like every year previously the holiday season will end, the general public will stop caring about crossing the channel and we'll forget about them till next summer.

Thanks Pjay that was very astute!

Is France allowed to not give them asylum?

It's 'jazz haiku' you peasants.
Jazz, with an 'a'

Trucker's arse tightens.
Fat man sweats in summer heat.
**** this for a wage.

If they could get asylum in France then they would, then they'd just be able to buy a ticket and walk into the UK,

Sum it up for a foreigner please?

Media is scaremongering because there's no news this week.
It's a tiny number in real migration terms. Let them in and kick some of the dross out.
This country was built on hard working migrants.

If they could get asylum in France then they would, then they'd just be able to buy a ticket and walk into the UK,

Not true.

France takes in as many, if not more, foreign migrants as we do. Germany takes in more. We're somewhere in the middle in terms of immigration to the EU according to most sets of statistics. We just have the stupid, selfish view that all foreign migrants want to come to the UK, and want to come to sponge off the state.

Some people's desperation has driven them thousands of miles from their homes, repeatedly risking their lives, in search of a chance of life free from war or persecution or poverty, and this annoys people in the UK because they can't drive down the M20 quite as quickly as usual.

Some people's desperation has driven them thousands of miles from their homes, repeatedly risking their lives, in search of a chance of life free from war or persecution or poverty, and this annoys people in the UK because they can't drive down the M20 quite as quickly as usual

I get all of that. But why should people not be able to "drive down the M20 quite as quickly as usual"?
Once these desperate migrants have reached either Greece or Italy they are to the best of my knowledge free from war. European laws apply in relation to persecution and states have their own aid systems

If the UK is their ultimate destination then there are systems for that rather than resorting to criminality and the bad publicity that brings, not to mention the huge costs in policing both here and in France, costs to haulage companies, "just in time" manufacturing, etc

How long before they use the boat on the med tactic across the channel.....

Zulus, thousands of them.........

I understood it, that refugees / asylum seekers should register in the first country they arrive in - i.e the other end of Europe?

I remember something about Germany claiming that as refugees traveled [i]through[/i] their country, technically they did not set foot (or "arrive") - therefore have no reason to "provide" asylum to them.

Polite way of saying "Not our problem"

Let them in, what's the worst that can happen?

bencooper - Member
Let them in, what's the worst that can happen?

Surely if it's housing, healthcare and eductaion they want, the Scotland is where they want to be going?

It's a difficult subject. Obviously the only real solution is to sort out properly whatever it is that's going on in their own country so they don't have to leave. That however isn't going to be simple or even acheivable.

Anyway, it's not just the UK that's affecte by this. We are only getting the ones that still want to come here - there must be loads spread out around Europe.

Of course, the Americans have an immigration issue too. But they have Donald Trump, who makes Farage look like a choirboy in comparison!
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/donald-trump-immigration-policy-breakdown-2016/

Nuke the site from orbit.

Mackem - Member
Are they really refugees? They are in a perfectly civilized country (France) free from whatever drove them from their home country (if anything). The only reason to "break into" UK is the possibility of more money.

Sounds a bit like the people you see who drive past several perfectly good parking places in Tescos car park to try and get a place right next to the door. Turns out the ones right next to the door are for disabled people only, but they park there anywyay, cos - what you gonna do about it?

The irony is it appears quite a lot of Brits would quite like to live in France....

Nuke the site from orbit.

Probably take out most of Dover. Gets my vote 😯

Isn't that a haiku fail? Only 6 syllables in the second line..

Is there a chance that the people who got them across to mainland Europe will have promised them jobs and/or accommodation in the UK?
Perhaps some have friends, family or other community contacts here?
Perhaps they've been told it's where they will find a warm, safe welcome and they are keen to get off the side of the road so that they can start making arrangements for families left back home in danger?

Starting the big dangerous journey to safety, wealth and freedom must be scary, and then to arrive into hostile Europe, perhaps having been told it was the UK, perhaps a Europe where the authorities are shepherding them towards the UK (we're only getting info from the press, who knows)

There are plenty of reasons for frightened, desperate folk to try to get here, rather than staying on the continent.. Projecting our own fat indolent motives onto them and assuming the reason is greed because that's the only thing we understand is pretty ****ing ugly

I'm guessing that many will have some ability to speak English rather than, say, German. Although French must be reasonably common too.

I must admit to not knowing the ins and outs of the French industrial action until I read about it this morning.

5 points

1) There are lots of poor people in the world who'd like to live in a rich country
2) If you can claim you've been tortured / live in a war zone you can claim asylum which gives you a route to 1)
3) The (ludicrous) EU Shrengen agreement allows people to enter the EU illegally and then travel freely within it, no country wants to arrest these people as as soon as they do the will claim asylum in that country. Hence the French very eager to palm off as many to the UK as possible. Whatever criminal offence they commit in France / Calais they will no be arrested
4) The UK got wise to 3) by not signing Shrengen and has acted to discourage economic asylum seekers by granting very few applications. Sadly we are not allowed on detain asylum applicants so many disappear within the UK
5) The cost of asylum seekers is very high. For example Kent council has 100's of unaccompanied children who have requested asylum, they will be costing the state £30-£40-£50k ? per year. Economic disruption to movement of goods is substantial as are the policing costs.

@yunki those coming know if they can get asylum they will get housing, living expenses and get to remain in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Many others will know they can work illegally in poor conditions but still much better off than they where before. I reall do not believe it's about people joining family/friends.

How about if, for every one we let in, we deport one BNP/EDL mouthbreather?

How many syllables in "Everyone"?

How many syllables in /?vr?w?n/?
3.

Pfft.

I'm with Van on this one.

Would you argue with Belfast's grumpiest man?

🙂

Bollocks,

Jamba - considering you can't even spell Schengen I think that tells you all anyone needs to know about your knowledge on its practical matters.

Why do you suppose Schengen was agreed? Do you think it may be that in order to actually allow free movement of people and goods it might just be convenient to scrap physical borders? If you wanted to live in France and work in Germany or Switzerland how much of a ballache would it be to queue every morning and evening to get across a border?

We, on the other hand, have a physical border (the sea) but where we don't have one (with Eire) guess what? We do EXACTLY the same thing. The border between Northern Ireland and the republic is a free travel area.

I'm not sure what makes you think Schengen [b]allows[/b] anyone to enter the area illegally anyway, surely the word [b]illegal[/b] should be an obvious clue.

As for your comment about working illegally or those who disappear out of the system, what is your point? Think about it.

They will keep coming illegally coz there is nothing to loose. The promise of free money, good life etc is simply too much to bear coz they must have them.

In fact the way they try to enter illegally is similar to forcing another society to accept them.

They can blame the west for the situation at home but what they don't realise is that their situation is caused by their own leadership. Most of the 3rd and developing nations CANNOT escape corruptions, cronyism and exploitation of their own people where with a very small percentage controlling majority of the wealth if not all.

However, what these people don't understand is that the bureaucratic will slowly grind them down one by one. They might think that they will gain freedom but in actual fact they will exchange one set of rules for another set.

It will take them at least 3 generations to become stress "free" if they want to stand on their own feet rather then being fed by the state.

If left alone you will see the beginning of first European shanty town and you don't have to be a tourist to travel afar to sympathise with those poor people in other part of the world. "Oh look poor people! Ohh ... how sadddd!" Coz they will be at your door step where you can now have celebrities taking photos to help them or fighting for their rights whatever. "Oh look! Look! I am helping poor people! Photo please coz I am a celebrity!".

When the mass increases in the shanty town (if they manage to stack a claim in a region/place/land etc) this is where real trouble will begins. With one side (illegals) trying to stack a claim while the other side (govt, locals etc) trying to prevent them. Now you have a show down.

The problem is just starting now but when the momentum gathers further the mass will increase and it will be Very hard to deal with.

Not all illegals are refugees but some are and it is precisely this difficulty in trying to separate them out that you get the opportunists.

You want to be fair then let the ENTIRE world come in otherwise be tough and act on those illegals. You Cannot simply have backdoor migration by bending the rules.

If I lived in those war torn nations, where bullets are flying all over the place, I would arm myself and fight for what I want after all if I win I will be a "big fish" in a small country rather coming over to beg for living to be a "small fish" in a big pond then becoming a ZM.

Where I come from the situation has not degenerated into AK47 Vs AR15 yet but in the coming two generations it will, so I legged it before that happens.

I am a legal alien via my strong paper qualifications (not asylum seeker or refugee or married some thunder tights Geordie bird or pretending to be a homo) and did not jump off the back of a lorry, however, I had to jump through all the govt bureaucratic hoops only to become a lowly bureaucratic ZM. Dammit! Obey my pen pushing ability or face being damaged! Where I came from (far far away) the place was a paradise until some ZMs decided to abuse their power at the start of early 70s. Now it is a dump.

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I'm eternally impressed by those on this forum who've seemingly met, interviewed, psychoanalysed, and reviewed the bank accounts of each and every one of the 5000 or so rough-sleepers hunkering down tonight in Calais. And from this evidence, have generated a full, dispassionate report that they could maybe call "what the migrants want".

Glad to know that you've all found the time to do this. I mean, you must have done surely- these can't just be ill-informed opinions generated by a glib scan of the media?

Surely not?

@squirrel I couldn't be bothered to google the name, I am sure everyone perfe to ell understood which treaty Inwas referring to. The mayor of Calais certain,y thinks the problem is due to Shrengen as they are insisting we sign up so they can offload all these people to the UK. Shengen allows people who enter illegally into ANY EU country to travel freely. With borders like sives the EU is awash will illegal immigrants moving freely about. The UK was dead right to opt out and congratulations to whichever party Laboir/Tory or otherwise made sure we had no part in it. The Calais immigrant proble. Is all about Shengen as without it the vast majority these people would not make it into France as they are getting into the EU illegally elsewhere

It's simple really, after the banking bailouts, our leaders used the "apparently" failing economy to squeeze workers wages whilst increasing their own. Workers are less well off than they once were (pay rises what are they?) and in order to take some of the heat off those who caused and profit from the situation a scapegoat is needed. This time round the scapegoat/goats are a few thousand immigrants who, if allowed to come to the UK, will make hard working British families even worse off. Divide and rule is all it is.

Propaganda is a very real part of our everyday lives.

joolsburger - Member
This time round the scapegoat/goats are a few thousand immigrants who, if allowed to come to the UK, will make hard working British families even worse off. Divide and rule is all it is.

Propaganda is a very real part of our everyday lives.

I doubt the govt is trying to scapegoat the illegals.

By your assumption all news can be a form of govt to deflect their own misgoverning and if that is the case then all govts past and present are guilty.

It is the bending of the rules that is the concerned and what is the point of the rules when some can be let in just because they start knocking at the door or when they force their way in?

They want in then join the queue and be processed like everyone else. 🙄

This time round the scapegoat/goats are a few thousand immigrants

It isn't about the few thousand at Calais right now. The UK would hardly notice another 3 or 4 thousand. But if you let in everyone who gets to Calais tens of thousands would turn up as the UK is a honeypot.

Migrants are understandably choosing the country which they perceive offers them the best benefits. For example crossing Europe to go to Sweden.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/01/asylum-seekers-perilous-path-sweden-20141792744288806.html

As he said

"If countries open the door for Syrians to come in a straight way, then many people will come."

If there was an open door at Calais many thousands would be going through it.

Britain should be shouldering it's share of the burden but having an open door at Calais isn't part of the solution.

Seems like most of the migrants are from the countries adjacent to the suez.
Does MI6/ CIA keep these countries in a constant state of turbulence for geopolitical reasons, rather than declaring war outright?
Or maybe our intelligence agencies have run out of any coherent strategy to deal with Sudanese/ Eritrean nationalism?
Just like with the TV series 'rentaghost', when the script writers ran out of plot ideas, the actors would chase after the pantomime horse, Dobbin, in an attempt to fill up airtime.
Anyway, the East Africans migration strategy 'seems' to work *. I've not been to London in years but I'd wager they quickly disappear into the black economy (sorry). It's not like there's hundreds of East Africans panhandling the streets of London.

*'seems' to work. Assuming they survive crossing the med, etc.

By your assumption all news can be a form of govt to deflect their own misgoverning and if that is the case then all govts past and present are guilty.

Absolutely, of course it can and it's been like that for decades. The internet is making it easier to get actual "on the ground" information before the news agencies have had the chance to create the "correct" viewpoint but it's clear that our allies/friends get a soft ride in the media as do those whose interests happily coincide with those who ultimately control the media networks. It's not an organised conspiracy (although I'm convinced certain "conversations" take place now and then) just the outcome of our news system.

joolsburger - Member

By your assumption all news can be a form of govt to deflect their own misgoverning and if that is the case then all govts past and present are guilty.

Absolutely, of course it can and it's been like that for decades. [b]The internet is making it easier to get actual "on the ground" information before the news agencies have had the chance to create the "correct" viewpoint [/b]but it's clear that our allies/friends get a soft ride in the media as do those whose interests happily coincide with those who ultimately control the media networks. It's not an organised conspiracy (although I'm convinced certain "conversations" take place now and then) just the outcome of our news system.

Crikey, you trust information from theinternet? If that is the case they really see you coming ... 😯

Information from newspapers is much more reliable.

Specially top selling newspapers such as the Sun and the Daily Mail.

I mean, if they weren't telling the truth they'd just go bust - right ?

ernie_lynch - Member

Information from newspapers is much more reliable.

Specially top selling newspapers such as the Sun and the Daily Mail.

I mean, if they weren't telling the truth they'd just go bust - right ?

Truth? What is that? 😯

Convenient truth, yes ... all of them regardless.

Someone's truth is others garbage.

May almighty god have mercy on you! (as some would say) 😈

Oh ya, you don't need truth to bend the rules, you just bend it coz it's just a probability game.

@ jambalaya
EU legislation doesn't allow asylum seekers to move freely about through Schengen or any other agreement
Asylum seekers are supposed to wait in the EU country of entry for consideration of their asylum application, having had their fingerprints entered onto the Eurodac database so that they can be returned to the country of entry if necessary

The problem comes when fingerprints aren't taken at the external border, and when internal borders aren't enforced, which is an implication of Schengen. Taking fingerprints imposes a responsibility that some don't want

why have their own states failed?

why should they not work to make their own country's a better place ?

If all the good people run away from a country what hope for the rest ?

why do so many Islamic states or states where Islam is the main religion fail?

A clear message needs to be sent them that this is NOT the land of milk and honey they believe it is.

I have no idea what the motives of the migrants in Calais are for wanting to enter the UK are. But if I wanted to live and be healthy whilst doing so, then free at the point of delivery healthcare would be a pretty compelling motive for me.

why have their own states failed?

why should they not work to make their own country's a better place ?

If all the good people run away from a country what hope for the rest ?

why do so many Islamic states or states where Islam is the main religion fail?

Mostly because we interfere.

Libya is an excellent recent example. The country is now in a complete mess and a failed state precisely because we interfered. We were bombing Libya to help the rebels even though there was overwhelming evidence that they had no commitment to democracy - one of the first things they did when they seized Benghazi was to fly the Al-Qaeda flag and execute people. But we thought it would be a good idea to help them anyway and bombed so that they could seize the rest of the country. The place now a hellhole with no functioning government.

Still, as long as they don't come over here who cares ?

Awful lot of nonsense on this thread.

[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/robin-lustig/calais-migrants-refugees_b_7909630.html?utm_hp_ref=uk ]Is it time for some facts?[/url]

Q.1: Why do they all want to come to the UK?

A: They don't. Far more migrants head for Germany and Sweden, which dealt with nearly half of all asylum applications into the EU last year. [b]The ones at Calais are a tiny fraction of the overall number, probably no more than 3,000 out of a total of well over 175,000 who have entered the EU so far this year.[/b]

Q.6: Why don't Syria's neighbours look after Syrian refugees?

A: They do. According to the UN, [b]there are more than two million registered refugees in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, and another 1.7million in Turkey.[/b]

Q.7: If some of the migrants who enter the EU are genuine refugees, why don't they apply for asylum in the first country they get to?

A: Huge numbers do exactly that: the number of applications more than doubled last year in both Italy (the main entry point for migrants who have made it across the Mediterranean) and Hungary (entry point for mainly Asian migrants who originally entered the EU from Turkey).

And:

[url= https://fullfact.org/immigration/welfare_benefits-44747 ]Immigration and benefits[/url]

Lifer - Member

Awful lot of nonsense on this thread.

And:

Immigration and benefits

... and we don't want them long term but only to provide short term relieve from war and once war is over regardless of the time period can we send them home or are they now rooted? That is the question.

We help but we don't accommodate for life or for generations to come. Fair enough?

Surely the war will not last for generations? (well actually they do for nearly two generations where I come from bloody bunch of ZM trying to create ... yes, you guess right ... a strict Muslamic country/region and now they want to invade us too) They can stop the war but they don't want to because of their ZM egos and their god says so ... three generations later and we are entering a stage of equality i.e. their population is almost or more than the locals now (we are nearly 5 million and they are half that with many unaccounted for). This scenario will not happen in the UK because the local population is very large but some of the EU smaller nations will get a shock of their lives three generations into their future.

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Nimbyism thriving on this thread-- usual right wing clap trap-- oh how lucky you were to drop out of the fanny you did....

rudebwoy - Member

Nimbyism thriving on this thread-- usual right wing clap trap-- oh how lucky you were to drop out of the fanny you did....

Nothing right wing or left about it but the way people see things i.e. they don't see things like you do. Simple.

What are you fanny-ing about? Are you saying you are correct?

We voice our views that's all we can do but nothing more.

You think you/we/I/govt can stop them coming? Is that a joke ... 😆

Oh ya not everyone is right wing just because they voice their opinions in similar direction.

Alternatively we absorb ALL (yes, All) of them so they don't have to go to other smaller EU nations. Ya, let's see your left wing views counter that. 😈

Alternatively we absorb ALL (yes, All) of them so they don't have to go to other smaller EU nations. Ya, let's see your left wing views counter that.

As usual you're making no sense.

@timba, but the asylum seekers don't declare that status until they get to their target country, in the mean time once they have entered the EU illegally Shrengen allows them to move about freely. The French police are well aware the people are in France illegally but they will do all they can to avoid arresting them as in that case they'd declare asylum in France

Seems like most of the migrants are from the countries adjacent to the suez

I double checked and its approx 450 unaccompanied children claiming asylum in the UK at present, if we took them all that would costs the UK approx £18m pa (guesstimate £40k pa pp) or about £100m before they can start working (guesstimate avg age 12 and they start work at 18). As per prior threads a UK person doesn't "pay for themselves" till they earn £38k pa so these asylum seekers would be costing a huge amount for a very long time.

I double checked and its approx 450 unaccompanied children claiming asylum in the UK at present, if we took them all that would costs the UK approx £18m pa (guesstimate £40k pa pp) or about £100m before they can start working (guesstimate avg age 12 and they start work at 18). As per prior threads a UK person doesn't "pay for themselves" till they earn £38k pa so these asylum seekers would be costing a huge amount for a very long time.

Umm. Am I missing the bit where you proposed a workable and humane alternative?

Interesting

The cost of asylum seekers is very high. For example Kent council has 100's of unaccompanied children who have requested asylum

I double checked and its approx 450 unaccompanied children claiming asylum in the UK

How many more of your "facts" are in fact utter pish then?

As per prior threads a UK person doesn't "pay for themselves" till they earn £38k pa so these asylum seekers would be costing a huge amount for a very long time.

Classic.

So you're saying these children will never be able to better themselves?

Presumably you're one of the few upstanding citizens earning [b]£12k[/b] above the [b]average[/b] wage then?

Seriously, you're just making yourself look very silly.

@jamabalaya
Some EU external border countries have stopped processing asylum claims to pressure the EU into a fairer distribution of claimants, or because their system is over-burdened e.g. [url= http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/06/23/uk-europe-migrants-austria-hungary-idUKKBN0P31ZB20150623 ]Hungary and Austria[/url]
Other countries e.g. [url= http://ecre.org/component/content/article/70-weekly-bulletin-articles/949-germany-suspends-returns-of-asylum-seekers-to-greece-under-dublin-regulation-for-another-year.html ]Germany[/url] have stopped sending claimants back to Greece

I'm assuming that these reports are still current and it demonstrates the mess that is the system, which the EU (not the Mayor of Calais) must sort out. It also means that we're going to get our share of EU asylum applications

Welcome to whiteprivelidgedracistexpattrackworld.

If you are only going to let rich people move from country to country the poor will get pissed off and come anyway. Dunno why we consider movement of other people a crime but get upset when we can't do it ourselves.

Let them in. Loads of room. Perhaps they can use all those empty flats owned by rich people from singapore and the middle east.

My original question was more to do with the change of attitude (or rather my perception from overseas of a change in attitude) towards illegal immigrants from the British public and less to do with whether illegal immigrants should have been able to reach Calais or not.

This thread has shown both side of the fence - so thanks for the insight.

🙂

What's really puzzling to me is why people who are so keen on free movement of capital and goods are so totally against free movement of labour.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/commentisfree/2015/aug/03/cameron-swarm-plague-god-migrants-calais ]Frankie Boyle on Calais[/url]

Personally I have met no one who is hostile to immigrants. Most immigrants I have met have been nice friendly pleasant people and I think they are often viewed by UK residents as being brave in moving to a new country.

I find people who were born in the UK are instead angry with the UK government / the EU for allowing in huge numbers of immigrants in a very short time period - meaning long term residents get problems with access to schools/health etc after having paid in for it for years. This is not the fault of the incoming people, but of a government who is not listening to the population and who wants to push down wages. As someone said, when did the minimum wage become the maximum wage for the average worker?

I think the solution for immigration issues is for developed countries to seek to improve the home country of people (but not exploit it), so residents do not need to rush to leave and so that the people unable to leave are not left in dire situations.

I also think every single country in the world needs to look at reducing, not maintaining, the number of humans born. Constructive social policies - say a reward for families with 2 or less kids.

I also think every single country in the world needs to look at reducing, not maintaining, the number of humans born. Constructive social policies - say a reward for families with 2 or less kids.

Birth rate is declining in virtually every country in the world already.

bencooper - Member

What's really puzzling to me is why people who are so keen on free movement of capital and goods are so totally against free movement of labour.

Competition and strange looking Johnny foreigners ... 😆

Midnighthour - Member

Personally I have met no one who is hostile to immigrants. Most immigrants I have met have been nice friendly pleasant people and I think they are often viewed by UK residents as being brave in moving to a new country.

Ya, they cannot be hostile coz they would be branded bigot or worst case scenario a criminal. Most people just "sweep" their true feeling under the carpet. There are good and bad immigrants as I doubt they are all good or bad.

My father was actually offered citizenship by his then wing commander just after the end of the British Empire days ... 😆 My father chose N. Borneo ... I, on the other hand, was given the GeordieLand rights by the Queen to set my root in this place of plenty ... plenty of Geordies that is and bingo wings.

I think the solution for immigration issues is for developed countries to seek to improve the home country of people (but not exploit it), so residents do not need to rush to leave and so that the people unable to leave are not left in dire situations.

The solution is to cleanse the corrupted ZM mindset of their leaders. i.e. corruption. Most of those countries are brought down by the greed of their own leaders and majority acted as if the entire population of that country owe them a living and they can take as they wish.

Read the Daily Mail.

Then think of the polar opposite to what you read.

That'll be somewhere around the truth I'd imagine.

If you look at those people at Calais (Ya, Channel 4 showed plenty of people were trying to breach the fence ... you will find that there are some anomalies ...

1. Now don't get me wrong but are they all being hunted like the Yazidis to be turned into sex slaves? Where are the Yazidis? How come nobody help them apart from the hot air "concern"?

2. Is there still a severe war in North Africa that most of them are hunted down? I mean is there war in Somali, Yemen, Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Nigeria or even Afghanistan?

3. What about the families of the kidnapped school children? They are still there in Nigeria aren't they? Aren't they supposed to be already in fear of their lives?

4. It is funny that most of them are young man in their prime so does that mean they let their families to rot while they "escape" to the promised land then get them over later on human rights term? I mean they let their own families rot or at least get out first while they rot so what chance do you think they will respect you?

5. Are we really to be blamed for their leadership failure? I mean once they started shooting each other with AK47 and ruin their own home they now want to blame everyone for that?

6. Some say they want to join their family members in the UK but does that mean they have the natural rights to be here? Bear in mind those family members of theirs abandon them in the first place ...

7. As for those from Afghanistan do you think the Taliban is going to kill all of them? I mean they do know there is part of the country that is Not in Taliban control so are they really in danger? Or have they trying to escape persecution for their crimes in their country?

8. How come there are very few families with children trying to cross the boarder?

9. I mean if you are desperate to survive any place will be better by comparison to death so why travel so far with all the efforts to go North?

10. How about Turkey? Why no mass migration there? I mean there should be at least 20 or 30 million moving in that direction but surprise surprise no many actually want to go there ... it's worst than a dump? No?

etc etc ...

Anyway, I bet majority are just opportunists and they know that by swarming the system by force something got to give one way or another because you have no stomach to uphold what you say.

They know the bureaucratic system cannot deal with anomalies beyond the programmed rational. Although the system think it can handle all possibilities the system is processed by ancient 486 processor ... too slow and no time to learn.

Anyway, the system is swarmed and if not handle well there will be bigger mess socially when the locals have enough.

River of blood? Nahhh ... that can only happen in Turkey or some obscure EU nations but govt being voted out for being spineless ... Hell yes!

Bigot! Bigot! Bigot! Everyone is a bigot! (I feel a song coming ...)

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