[Closed] Calais Migrant camp- a conversation

junky loving the signature

Persecution by a small minority - Daesh. They hit well above their weight because the opposition doesn't have the will to fight.

I lasted a couple of minutes...no way I'm listening for nearly half an hour to some bigoted diatribe.

That ^^^ guy's a prick.

(The guy in the video! I realise many will think I'm referring to the poster, and I wouldn't want that, oh no.)

@deadlydarcy

What you just said. I concur, every word.

Lost me when he started on about vampires

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"the UK's population is rising fast, whereas Germany's is falling fast;"

"Angela Merkel is creaming off the most economically useful of the asylum seekers, by taking those that have shown the gumption and initiative to risk life and limb by fleeing to Europe."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34172729

I lasted a couple of minutes...no way I'm listening for nearly half an hour to some bigoted diatribe.

That ^^^ guy's a prick.

Its a shame you missed such peaches as "Fetish Toe Goddess of Diversity" and Slow Squidgy Curry Dump"

I only got half way through the video but I now feel like I am a philosopher king.

Stefan Molyneux is a vile sexist, racist **** who blames victims of rape and abuse.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/11/05/two-white-dudes-spend-an-hour-talking-about-how-racist-and-sexist-it-is-to-criticize-other-white-dudes/

Grum, please keep the discussion on topic which is Calais Migrant camp remember?

Anyway, on the subject of rape, since you brought it up, in Sweden 85% of rape was carried out by immigrants, and the authorities tried to cover it up.

Coming to a town near you, so hold on to your chocolate starfish sweetie.

superstar1 - Member
Anyway, on the subject of rape, since you brought it up, in Sweden 85% of rape was carried out by immigrants, and the authorities tried to cover it up.

That's scary ... 😯

Also due to their small population they will be impacted most and their way of life will disappear slowly in future.

Pity they don't value their own culture as their liberal attitude is vastly incompatible with the newcomers and they will suffer in the long run.

They are making too much of an assumption that they can integrate people into their culture but the opposite will be true. Slowly slowly catchy monkey ...

If the migrants want to stake a claim on a region it is very easy ... all they got to do is once they are naturalized (in the context of free EU movement) they all move to a region with lowest local population then overwhelm the local population.

Since the West always preach democracy and majority rules they will effective overrule the locals. Simple.

😯

Grum, please keep the discussion on topic which is Calais Migrant camp remember?

ola there my racist amigo!! bom dia!

I started this thread so I feel I should respond..
The topic was more along the lines of 'what sort of conversation would [i]you personally[/i] like to have if you actually visited the calais camp..'

I'm assuming this wouldn't be your opening line?

in Sweden 85% of rape was carried out by immigrants, and the authorities tried to cover it up.

Coming to a town near you, so hold on to your chocolate starfish sweetie

So then... what would you say if you found yourself in the camp speaking with one of them dirty rapey foreigners superstar1?

enlighten us oh wise and erudite one
show us the way Kemo sabe

Using 2011 stats as an example to debunk the stupidity bukkake you just shot all over the thread. Again.

Population of England and Wales, source: 2011 ONS Census
White – 48,209,395 (85.97%)
[White British – 45,134, 686 – 80.48%]
Black – 1,864,890 (3.32%)
Asian – 3,820,390 (6.81%)
Chinese – 393,141 (0.7%)
Mixed race – 1,224,400 (2.18%)
Arab – 230,600 (0.41%)
Other – 333,096 (0.59%)
Total – 56,075,912

Rape/Attempted Rape
White – 820 (71.11%)
Black – 118 (10.23%)
Asian – 85 (7.37%)
Other – 34 (2.94%)
Not stated – 96 (8.32%)
Total – 1153

So, my wife and daughter statistically have to worry about all the rapey white folk a lot more than some others.

If the migrants want to stake a claim on a region it is very easy ... all they got to do is once they are naturalized (in the context of free EU movement) they all move to a region with lowest local population then overwhelm the local population.

Since the West always preach democracy and majority rules they will effective overrule the locals. Simple.

you're not in Borneo now chewy.. we has different rules here

yunki - Member
I'm assuming this wouldn't be your opening line?

So then... what would you say if you found yourself in the camp speaking with one of them dirty rapey foreigners superstar1?

Zilt! Nothing! What can you do or say without being branded as racist etc?

yunki - Member
you're not in Borneo now chewy.. we has different rules here

Oh no you don't. It's democracy get it? We follow the legacy of British system ... within two generation (I think might be 3 now for newcomers) we are practically being squeezed out. Our population is not larger than Sweden but we feel the impact immediately. When the newcomers' majority increased our local tribes got squeezed out.

What can you do or say without being branded as racist etc?

Something not racist. It really isn't that hard unless you actually are racist.

MSP - Member

What can you do or say without being branded as racist etc?

Something not racist. It really isn't that hard unless you actually are racist.

What if I say along this line ... (assuming I am talking to the rapist [u]not the general public [/u]...)

"Oi you why did you rape that woman?"
"What makes you a vile being for raping that woman?"
"You are the lowest of the low for raping that woman!"

I can say all the above but it's meaningless coz they cannot even comprehend your language ... Woooshhh ... like hot air flowing through. They cannot understand at all.

Now, if we apply the universal language of pain then the story is different.

(Btw am I allowed to beat the person senseless? If not then the bureaucratic rules apply.)

So, my wife and daughter statistically have to worry about all the rapey white folk a lot more than some others.

Wrong. As a percentage of the number of rapes and size of the population white isn't the worse as Asian and Black have more rapists within their ethnic group. If your wife or daughter come across a "not stated" they'd better get the rape alarm out quick.

Trying to keep implying asylum seekers/immigrants are rapists is racist. If you don't want to be called a racist prick, stop spouting racist bullshit.

moose - Member
Using 2011 stats as an example to debunk the stupidity bukkake you just shot all over the thread. Again.

Moose if superstar1's statistic is accurate then that is the fact!

You can try to compare that to UK as much as you wish but it's meaningless. 😯

MSP - Member
Trying to keep implying asylum seekers/immigrants are rapists is racist. If you don't want to be called a racist prick, stop spouting racist bullshit.

Ta da! Thank you for proving my point. 😛

p/s: thank goat the User Blocker(UB) works! 😆 (I don't use UB btw)

Well as I don't live in Sweden, I don't really care about their crime stats. It was the implication that immigrants/refugees are rapists that was my issue.

How so Craig? All supernazi1 put up was 85% of rapes was carried out by immigrants. He didn't specify an ethnic group. He hasn't qualified his statement with an ethnic breakdown. They could all be white!

Blimey! This thread has quite rapidly gone a bit BNP, hasn't it? 😯

I'm sure the photo of the ISIS fighter/refugee will be posted soon. Even though it's fake and the man in question was actually a FSA commander who's unit was decimated so the remaining members hot-footed it out of there. But I digress.

Bloody muslamic rayguns coming over here stealing the jobs we don't want to do.

moose - Member
Well as I don't live in Sweden, I don't really care about their crime stats. It was the implication that immigrants/refugees are rapists that was my issue.

binners - Member
Blimey! This thread has quite rapidly gone a bit BNP, hasn't it?

Nope, I do not associate myself with the extreme right, extreme left, middle right, middle left whatever ... 🙄

Not at all, what I posted was about as relevant as what our closet nazi posted. Totally irrelevant and off topic.

How so Craig? All supernazi1 put up was 85% of rapes was carried out by immigrants. He didn't specify an ethnic group. He hasn't qualified his statement with an ethnic breakdown. They could all be white!

I hadn't commented on Superstar claims as he didn't put up lists of populations and rapes by ethnic group like you did. If you're going to put all that then make a claim then check the figures before doing so.

Rapes by size of ethnic group:

White 0.000017%
Black 0.000063%
Asian 0.000022%

Only read the first and last pages of this thread. If this is a sample of the population this country ****ed from not only the bigoted but the rose tinted views of others, not much in the middle ground.

craigxxl - Member
Only read the first and last pages of this thread. If this is a sample of the population this country **** from not only the bigoted but the rose tinted views of others, not much in the middle ground.

We are screwed aren't we? Screwed! 😯

"... rose tinted vies of others ..." <= I like this polite description. 😆

I like being in the middle ground. I can be just a little bit racistish there and hopefully, nobody will notice unless they're some PC gone mad types who get professionally offended on behalf of others.

The middle ground - it's where it's ok to be y'know, just a bit this and just a bit that.

Fair point. 😉

Problem is the middle ground gets lost in the noise from right and left. I've deliberately avoided the obvious security issues that a refugee crisis from Muslim countries presents in todays climate. I briefly mentioned it, If I were an IS planner, I would definitely use this opportunity to get some faithful soldiers in through the system, the issue would be logistics, how they would arm themselves and plan such an attack. I imagine it would take quite some time for them to establish themselves and make contact with like minded nationals. Hopefully by that time the security services have done their thing and they're picked up. But that risk is not enough in my mind to deny help to so many displaced by war.

Any response needs to be measured and sensible. Not influenced by knee jerk responses from either side, just plain sensible and humanitarian measures, that keep the refugees safe and the population of whichever country they finally arrive in.

deadlydarcy - Member
I like being in the middle ground. I can be just a little bit racistish there and hopefully, nobody will notice unless they're some PC gone mad types who get professionally offended on behalf of others.

The middle ground - it's where it's ok to be y'know, just a bit this and just a bit that.

Oi you where is your User Blocker? 😆

So what ground are you on? Left, right, centre etc? Where? 😛

moose - Member
Problem is the middle ground gets lost in the noise from right and left. I've deliberately avoided the obvious security issues that a refugee crisis from Muslim countries presents in todays climate. I briefly mentioned it, If I were an IS planner, I would definitely use this opportunity to get some faithful soldiers in through the system, the issue would be logistics, how they would arm themselves and plan such an attack.

I agree.

I'm definitely feeling a bit more racist as a result of this thread..

My left leg has become very suspicious of people what are browner than me and my stomach is feeling totally sympathetic towards Chinese cuisine..

My nipples have got browner too which made me admire a passing woman's figure earlier

yunki - Member
I'm definitely feeling a bit more racist as a result of this thread.

Does that mean you have been influenced?
The question is if you were influenced whose fault is that? 😆

My left leg has become very suspicious of people what are browner than me and my stomach is feeling totally sympathetic towards Chinese cuisine..

Congratulation! You have now been assimilated. Bow and thank the might wok that cooked your cuisine. Also soup is clear NOT creamy ... 😛

My nipples have got browner too which made me admire a passing woman's figure earlier

No, that could be health problem ... 😛

Nope, I do not associate myself with the extreme right, extreme left, middle right, middle left whatever ....

Binners,

Reminds me of this ... not sure if everyone gets it but here you go coz it's funny. (not implicating anyone ... )

Nope, I do not associate myself with the extreme right, extreme left, middle right, middle left whatever

I am losing track now, so binners is THM, and chekw is Donald Trump?

MSP - Member
I am losing track now, so binners is THM, and chekw is Donald Trump?

😆 Trump has more hairs than me ...

Dear me, you are all putting your faith in the governing classes and they are betraying the British people. Who are the governing classes? Conservatives? Labour? the EU? the United States?

Take Moose for example, he has been shit upon by the British government, he joined the Army and they sent him to Afghanistan, then they put rules of engagement in place meaning the campaign was unwinnable leading to the British Army taking massive casualties and achieving nothing. And ex military are suffering from PSD and some are homeless living on the street and the government doesn't give a shit. And all because the British Government were desperate to appease the Muslims that have the cheek to call themselves British in the UK.

What an absolute piss take, and you all can't see it through your rose tinted spectacles.

Pitiful.

Wow, we are overflowing with racist cocks tonight.

MSP - Member
Wow, we are overflowing with racist cocks tonight.

Do you equate Muslim with race?

It's people's response that buggers up threads imo, not Chewwy's drivel.

Was that aimed at me?

gofasterstripes - Member

It's people's response that buggers up threads imo, not Chewwy's drivel.

Was that aimed at me?

Oh dear ... Ernie is in trouble. 😀

gofasterstripes aren't you supposed to have User Blocker on anything Chewwy? 😮

Superstar you do realise that the Muslim appeasing government went to war to fight the islamist Taliban don't you ? Which bit of the ROE do you think were different in Afghanistan to other operations ?

all because the British Government were desperate to appease the Muslims that have the cheek to call themselves British in the UK.

It was really George Bush and his mate Blair that were intent on fulfilling biblical prophecies as Gog and Magog were busy in the Middle East. Sadly this absurd reason for going to war is the real one. [url= http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/politique/chirac-bush-et-l-apocalypse_746203.html ]Or the one given to Chirac to try and persuade him to join in anyhow[/url]

Superstar1, do you get all your info from the daily mail. ROE are there to ensure that the rules of war are followed. IT has never hampered me dispatching the Queen's enemies. Most people do not realise where or how such things are drawn up. It's not made up and is drawn from UK law. And as UK doesn't allow the death of people for a variety of reasons, therefore we cannot go around and kill with impunity.

I won't even go into the rest of your mess, it will derail the thread even more, needless to say you need to dig into the information a little bit more. Just because it appears on social media doesn't make it true.

I don't filter anything, chewy. We have our past, anyway...

Labour (Blair) took us to the "big" war, ya, you did ... ya ... freedom and all that.

crankboy - Member
Superstar you do realise that the Muslim appeasing government went to war to fight the islamist Taliban don't you ? Which bit of the ROE do you think were different in Afghanistan to other operations ?

Ya, but the govt still need to appease the moderate at home don't they? Otherwise no votes.

Also diplomatically the govt want the support of the oil rich middle east nations so they have to tread carefully not to offend the moderates and as a result had to fight with one arm tight behind their back. Not to go in full gun blazing but enough to show that they are doing something ...

A bit like Churchill caught in between the giants of USA & CCCP in WWII... innit! Churchill had to maneuver carefully between them two giants otherwise they would take over the entire operation. 😯

gofasterstripes - Member
I don't filter anything, chewy. We have our past, anyway...

Hollywood and Chewkw, rewriting history since... . 😉

Edukator - Troll
Hollywood and Chewkw, rewriting history since... .

I think I love Moose. In a manly, heterosexual way obviously. Mostly.

Northwind - Member
I think I love Moose. In a manly, heterosexual way obviously. Mostly.

😯

Make sure you fist bump and gangster hug ... watch your hands ... 😆

So go on chewkw in what way was Afghanistan fought differently to any other similar operation so as to appease Muslims?

So go on chewkw in what way was Afghanistan fought differently to any other similar operation so as to appease Muslims?

I'm curious too. 😆

crankboy - Member
So go on chewkw in what way was Afghanistan fought differently to any other similar operation so as to appease Muslims?

I am sure it is not as large a scale as Iraq if I can recall or the other way round ... 😀

Silly answer we are not talking about scale we are talking about in what way were different rules applied to appease Muslims.
Given the largely Muslim population of Iraq you don't make your Muslim appeasing point by reference to that conflict anyway.

crankboy - Member

Silly answer we are not talking about scale we are talking about in what way were different rules applied to appease Muslims.
Given the largely Muslim population of Iraq you don't make your Muslim appeasing point by reference to that conflict anyway.

More drone strikes less foot on ground ... 😛

Foot on ground = invasion force.

Drone strikes = "Thunder from sky".

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moose - Member

That's hilarious!

My view (arm chair general) is that they opened two fronts (the enemies). 😛

Drone strikes were to appease Muslims that worked well . Not sure we used that many drone strikes in the initial Afgan operations which were very much boots on the ground . We even built fighting bases to seize and control the ground and draw the Taliban into shooting matches.

crankboy - Member

Silly answer we are not talking about scale we are talking about in what way were different rules applied to appease Muslims.
Given the largely Muslim population of Iraq you don't make your Muslim appeasing point by reference to that conflict anyway.

“We will no longer target belligerents solely because they are members of the Taliban,” the official said. “To the extent that Taliban members directly threaten the United States and coalition forces in Afghanistan or provide direct support to Al Qaeda, however, we will take appropriate measures to keep Americans safe.” (Ref: [url= https://www.lawfareblog.com/rules-engagement-war-afghanistan-2015 ]This bloke.[/url])

Ya, carry on reading the article then google the rest ... 🙄 You will find that someone is going to appease someone ...

Told you something is fishy ...

p/s: [url= http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/26/rules-of-engagement-bind-us-troops-actions-in-afgh/?page=all ]Washington Post - not sure right or left wing.[/url]

So this daft mad as a brush government sends an army to Afghanistan and Iraq when all the time the enemy is in Bradford, Burnley, Blackburn etc....... ON ****ING BENEFIT!
You couldn't make this up, if this was a Carry on Film you would be absolutely ****ing pissing yourself, and that's even before Babs starts running around with the jugs out. If Benny Hill got in on the act it wouldn't be any funnier.

Chewy you are now quoting how the Americans are ending the war not how they and we fought it . we also stopped shooting Germans in 1945 not out of appeasement just because the shooty bit was over.
Superstar what enemy are you an about Britain First or the English Defence League ?

crankboy - Member
Chewy you are now quoting how the Americans are ending the war not how they and we fought it .

I think it applies to all "Western" troops and I am sure Merica take the lead as usual. If Merica decides to change the rule of engagement the rest follow ...

@chewy, nope. ROE is derived from the applicable laws of each member of the coalitions land. As an example US troops can use deadly to protect property. We, cannot.

moose - Member

@chewy, nope. ROE is derived from the applicable laws of each member of the coalitions land. As an example US troops can use deadly to protect property.[b] We, cannot. [/b]

Crikey ... 😯

I bet we (you) will be throwing hand bags at them in future ...

moose - Member
Was meant to read deadly force. But you get my drift.

edit: Ya, got that.

Was meant to read deadly force. But you get my drift.

So this daft mad as a brush government sends an army to Afghanistan and Iraq when all the time the enemy is in Bradford, Burnley, Blackburn etc....... ON **** BENEFIT!
You couldn't make this up

But you just did. 😕

Germany closes border and leaves Schengen 😯

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/13/germany-to-close-borders-exit-schengen-emergency-measures

Well, they were warned...

Depressingly predictable really. Germany have got it all wrong encouraging them and its now out of control. Only answer I can see is UN run camps around Syria borders and then limited asylum for those very needy cases. Which isn't too far off the current UK approach.

EU really needs to get better at fast, coordinated responses to crisis whatever the nature and cause.

ninfan - Member

Germany closes border and leaves Schengen

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/13/germany-to-close-borders-exit-schengen-emergency-measures

Well, they were warned...

I wonder what sort of ideal world the German govt was thinking of previously ... 😯

Save the world? 🙄

I expect there will be some remarkable scenes from the German border over the next few days

"Angela promised us"

Looks like Cameron's approach was correct then. Open door policies can't work.

I don't think only accepting a handful of refugees when there is a catastrophic crises, which is Cameron's approach, has been proved to be correct.

If some other countries such as the UK faced up to their responsibilities then perhaps Germany wouldn't be quite so overwhelmed.

This whole crises and the UK government's response to it just serves to emphasise what an arsehole Cameron really is.

I don't think only accepting a handful of refugees when there is a catastrophic crises, which is Cameron's approach, has been proved to be correct.

If countries such as the UK faced up to its responsibility then perhaps Germany wouldn't be quite so overwhelmed.

This whole crises and the UK government's response to it just serves to emphasise what an arsehole Cameron really is imo.

I thought the local funding of refugee assistance and selected vulnerable refugee placement sounded quite sensible

as compared to the German/ Swedish policies which have got lots people dashing to their countries in the knowledge that its "first come, first served" and that the barriers will go up again very soon when they are overwhelmed with the numbers

the European plan to "redistribute" won't work as the refugees aren't daft all will be aiming for the places with the best offer rather than for example Bulgaria. Anyone sent their will simply try again to get to the better offer, when they get sent back to Bulgaria again how will they react?

so what is Corbyn's "right" number? what is his strategy for this?

so what is Corbyn's "right" number?

That's the critical question.

I thought the local funding of refugee assistance and selected vulnerable refugee placement sounded quite sensible

I'm sure you do. How has it helped to solve the crises?

How has it helped to solve the crises?

it helped manage the problem of refugees locally, supported the states adjacent to Syria who were taking the strain and generally made things better for a lot more people than Corbyn is proposing to take in to the UK

What is Corbyn's Syria strategy?

Well if you think Cameron's policy of leaving them in Lebanese refugee camps is helping to solve the problem then I think it's probably best to leave it there, I can't see this going anywhere useful.

Well if you think Cameron's policy of leaving them in Lebanese refugee camps is helping to solve the problem then I think it's probably best to leave it there, I can't see this going anywhere useful.

why do you think moving and dispersing a significant % of the Syrian population out of the region a better one?

Do you want to offer direct flights or do they need to paddle/ walk to the borders of Europe first?

What is Corbyn saying are his numbers for the refugees to be taken in to the UK, where are they coming from (EU or from region), what is his wider strategy to resolve the crisis?