[Closed] Calais Migrant camp- a conversation

Dont forget the pretend they are not disabled/ATOS fitness to work test whose analogy is to pretend they are not refugees /or from Syria so they dont really need help after all . Oh and of course we cannot afford it- how else can we afford inheritance tax cuts ?

Still waiting for anyone to say how many hundred thousand asylum seekers they think the UK should take.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/08/28/world/europe/countries-under-strain-from-european-migration-crisis.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Since 2011 we have had 194 asylum applications per 100,000 people, Sweden has had 2,359. We're one of the largest and richest countries in Europe, and the world, so we should really be leading the way. If we took in double as many as we do currently, then we'd be on par with France. If we took in four times as many as we do currently then we'd be on par with Germany.

There's something incredibly broken in this country's 'Little Englander' mindset, that is unfortunately so common, that thinks that we are only place affected by this, or that we're somehow doing more than the rest of Europe, when the opposite is clearly true.

I'd recommend that everyone watch 'the Lorry Jumpers' on channel 4. It's starting on +1 shortly, or get it on OD.

Put a human face to the people we apparently should continue our lofty indifference too, and regard like a virus. See the conditions they live in, and hear what they've been through, the journeys they've made, the horrors they've endured, and see if you still think that their plight is something we should remain so uncaring and cold-hearted too

Makes me ashamed to be British

Just finished watching Lorry Jumpers. [b]Every single person featured is from Africa[/b]. JY and Northwind I'd echo @binners recommendation to watch the programme.

@binners we have an asylum application system, it is not necessary to live in a camp in Calais and try and enter the UK illegally. You can apply for asylum at a British Embassy that way however you don't get free housing and welfare whilst your application is processed.

I see Merkel and her ministers are now openly speaking of suspending Schengen passport free travel as a result of the migrant crises.

jambalaya - Member

As a final note why was the camp nicknamed "The Jungle", not very Middle Eastern is it ?

The first Jungle was established in 2002. Relevance of the name to today's situation = 0. Your evidence is strong.

Every single person featured is from Africa

Are you now claiming that there are only Aficans there or simply telling me that only Africans appeared on the programme?
I guess the former as it is the one that is factually incorrect and that is basically what you do , get things wrong.

Still waiting for your actual figures and sources whilst you ignore the sources provided that refute your unevidenced [ if we ignore appeals to the media that is] claims- even then you still have to be highly selective - see below.

Anyway its clear to see the suffering has really stirred your empathy for your fellow man, its almost as strong as your ability to handle data now.
Really brings a tear to my eye as I can tell the suffering did to yours.

Pft you and facts eh Jam its a situation where you just see what you want to see and ignore everything else
here are some more for you to ignore
Remember Jungle eh it sounds very African eh 🙄
http://time.com/3983113/calais-migrants-camp-jungle/

Every day, thousands of migrants, most of them Syrians, Sudanese, Eritreans and Afghans, try to board a train or ferry for the U.K. in Calais, France.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/10-truths-about-europes-refugee-crisis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29074736

Where are the migrants coming from?
The UN High Commissioner for Refugees' representative in France, Philippe Leclerc, said most of the migrants in Calais were fleeing violence in countries such as Syria, Eritrea, Somalia and Afghanistan.

http://news.sky.com/story/1527131/calais-migrant-crisis-what-you-need-to-know

Where do they come from?

Countries where there is unrest or civil war. So Somalia, Sudan, Eritrea and Syria.

Syria took over from Afghanistan for the top country for asylum-seekers in the world in 2013. There are smaller groups from Ethiopia, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran.

I know what you mean Jammers. Why would anyone seek asylum from Eritrea? Looks great! Sounds like a [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eritrea-is-africas-north-korea--but-uk-bureaucrats-wont-accept-its-citizens-are-refugees-10478885.html ]holiday camp[/url]

jambalaya - Member

Just finished watching Lorry Jumpers. Every single person featured is from Africa.

As evidence of "who was on Lorry Jumpers" that's excellent. As evidence of the population of the camp, it's [i]quite a bit[/i] less good than DrJ's link.

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I was just about to type some more stuff in an edit to that post. But JY made it weird.

I was nice to you and everything
Tough Crowd

Now you've made it even weirder

100% right AGAIN chaps. Majority of camp is African.

Its easy to be 100 % correct if you just ignore the evidence AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN

@ NW 😥

There are plenty being prosecuted in China let them in ... 🙄

JY you are right I am making an assumption about nationality based on TV, reports and my own eyes but when the faces are very black and the news reports speak of sub Sharan African nations continually it's an obvious conclusion. If you think sub Saharan Africans are the minority show me some evidence which contradicts the dozens of news reports and images which show very much the opposite. As a final note why was the camp nicknamed "The Jungle", not very Middle Eastern is it ?

Oh wow you are really excelling yourself now with this utter drivel. Have you ever tried reading back what you write?

People already posted evidence but you know best obviously because you looked out of the car once and saw a black man. FFS.

What's the link to that ignore plugin again?

100% right AGAIN chaps. Majority of camp is African.

That's not EVEN what you claimed earlier - and where is your evidence? This is way beyond pathetic.

Just finished watching Lorry Jumpers. Every single person featured is from Africa.

Sub-saharan africa?

I see a good part of the lack of compassion being caused by the following:
1. Failure to understand that a lot of our wealth in the west is based on our exploiting the rest of the globe for well over 200 years to date, through colonisation, commercial control and conflict
2. Manipulation of a large number of people through the simple mechanism of fear by communicating a false message of "These immigrants they want some of what you got - so keep them out because you will have less if they come over here"
3. The bandied about and again false idea we are crowded as an island

Why do I think this is done...? So we can continue to be a country where a small few with the majority of the wealth can create and maintain a low-marginal tax situation for themselves and not fund a better common infrastructure for all, which would be thrown into even harsher relief if the population increases suddenly.

1. Failure to understand that a lot of our wealth in the west is based on our exploiting the rest of the globe for well over 200 years to date, through colonisation, commercial control and conflict

So nothing to do with democracy, the rule of law, property rights, capitalism, science etc.

Try comparing North and South Korea or East and West Germany. Zimbabawe before and after black rule. The poverty in the world is not all caused by the big bad ex colonial govts.

You mean the Korea that was divided by an American invasion to impose a political ideology and the Zimbabwe that was run by colonial powers until overthrown by a revolution. Or did you have in mind other countries with the same names that you thought made your point?

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You mean the Korea that was divided by an American invasion to impose a political ideology and the Zimbabwe that was run by colonial powers until overthrown by a revolution. Or did you have in mind other countries with the same names that you thought made your point?

Un, didn't the UN (not just America) go to Korea to stop an invasion? If you asked the people of the South, I'm sure they'd rather be in the same boat as the North now. Zimbabwe was run by a white minority Zimbabwean Govt that were very uncooperative towards the old colonial power, until it was overthrown by a revolution. But yeah, I'm sure it's all the Great Satan's fault.

Jam may be talking bolleaux, but there's no need to reciprocate in kind!

Un, didn't the UN (not just America) go to Korea to stop an invasion?

No

Zimbabwe was run by a white minority Zimbabwean Govt

Well thats ok then, thank god for those white colonial heros helping out those stupid africans.

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you know best obviously because you looked out of the car once and saw a black man. FFS.

To be fair he said they were VERY black as he moved from dwelling in eternal ignorance to flirting with racism.

TBH i think he meant they came from bongo bongo land as there must be a JUNGLE there.

Still not sure if he Chris Morris satire or he really is whatever word the mods let me put here to describe that

DrJ, Northwind and JY. Did any of you actually thoroughly read the link DrJ posted ? I very much doubt it as if you had you would have seen it contains no data at all about the overall composition of migrants at Calais. In the Ministers written evidence to Parliament (his name deliberately misquoted in the blog for political effect) he says the French have no figures for the breakdown. Trying to draw a link between the figures for people making a crossing to Europe by sea and the makeup of the camp is totally erroneous. There is no reason for any Syrian to come to Calais as Germany has said it will take them all. I read carefully the link DrJ posted before I repleid above.

Germany will take an estimated 800,000 migrants in 2015 having said it will grant asylum to all Syrians. I estimate the cost, per anum of that commitment to be anywhere from €20-30 billion. Housing, medical care, welfare, language training etc. Germany's unemployment rate has fallen to 6.2% but that still means 2.7 million Germans are registered unemployed, my guess is the immigrants will nit be added to those figures but that's a lot of people who'll need work. Combined with new loans for Greece, another €20bn Germany will not get back, I sense major social and political unrest is brewing.

Are you completely insane? No, the link did not give census date for the Calais migrants. It did include a report by the UK Immigration minister. I am no Tory-lover but I believe him more than I believe what some clot spotted out of his car window.

In fact I'd go further and suggest that the gap between what you "saw" and what the facts actually are constitute strong indications of racist bias on your part, not unlike experiments where witnesses "see" the black man commit a crime even though he did not.

jambalaya - Member

.... there are going to be very few if any Syrians in Calais as Germany has said it will take all Syrians who apply.

jambalaya - Member

There is no reason for any Syrian to come to Calais as Germany has said it will take them all.

Presumably you think we should reject the Home Office's own figures as you are 100% correct and unlike you they don't understand the situation ?

12 months to the end of March 2015 :

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jambalaya - Member

........ we drive through the tunnel at least once a month

Do you even know what tunnel we're talking about?

Are you perhaps confusing it with the Dartford Tunnel?

you would have seen it contains no data at all about the overall composition of migrants at Calais

So the evidenced data about the actual make-up of refugees is unreliable, but you counting black faces out of the car window and on lorry jumpers on the TV is solid evidence.

You really are an absolute joke jambalaya.

If UK is a democratic country I should have a vote to say who should be let in. Unless you think this is a commy land. I would vote for control immigration and not mass back door entry.

Unless of course democracy means nothing in your idealistic world? A bit like democracy in those countries where people are fleecing.

Ya, the clue is in the bureaucratic rules regardless of what situation they are in coz the moment they left their countries they are already safe.

No queue jumping please and yes they need to be processed and form an orderly queue. This is where the real ones are separated from economic migrants.

Most of them once reached EU soil are no longer persecuted so their lives are no longer in danger ...

Trying to pick and choose ... ya, right ... give them an inch they want a mile.

I don't buy this they are dying once they have reached EU soil, only those that are really greedy trying to use the short cut to upload themselves into the van pay with their lives.

For those who insist on arguing for an opened door policy like I said before you are a very biased person. Fact! Why not open the door to China's persecuted or those in other part of the world? Why wait for them to shipped/van half way across the world by human traffickers. Why not invite them over?

[b]Those who try to enter UK illegally is a bit like forcing a backdoor entry into UK innit![/b]

Shouldn't you be saying "No! No! No!" The UK is not for turning or forced backdoor entry?

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jambalaya - Member

DrJ, Northwind and JY. Did any of you actually thoroughly read the link DrJ posted ? I very much doubt it as if you had you would have seen it contains no data at all about the overall composition of migrants at Calais

No you're absolutely right, the UK immigration minister personally visiting the camp and reporting back should be ignored in favour of your much better data obtained by going "It's called the jungle, makes you think eh eh" and watching a TV program.

I think this must be that thing where a person's become so consistently ridiculous that you can no longer tell when they're joking?

chewy - you chose to come here*, though. Why was that and why is that OK?

*IIRC

I would vote for control immigration and not mass back door entry.

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gofasterstripes - Member

chewy - you chose to come here*, though. Why was that and why is that OK?

*IIRC

Yes, I did but Not via backdoor nor illegal means. I did not beg nor used force entry or even in fear of my life.

I showed qualifications for a job and with that I was welcomed. I just said I could do a better job than most and that I am here to compete for a job.

😛

No you're absolutely right, the UK immigration minister personally visiting the camp and reporting back should be ignored in favour of your much better data obtained by going "It's called the jungle, makes you think eh eh" and watching a TV program.

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I just said I could do a better job than most and that I am here to compete for a job.

Well, good for you.

[b]I just said[/b] I could do a better job than most and that[b] I am here to compete for a job[/b].

Hang on a minute!

Yes, I did but Not via backdoor nor illegal means. I did not [b]beg [/b]nor used force entry or even [b]in fear of my life[/b].

And in the modified version of that.... what's the big deal?

irc - Member
So nothing to do with democracy, the rule of law, property rights, capitalism, science etc.

That right, democratic process was a huge part of our invasion of other countries and subjugation of their people and often suppression of their culture. How can you support property rights of land stolen from it's owners? We took property, resources and labour from a huge part of the world and then used a capitalist model and sense of religious and cultural superiority to sell goods back to them. Don't be more dense than you can help.

airtragic - Member
Jam may be talking bolleaux, but there's no need to reciprocate

Sometimes, just sometimes I think idiocy should be a crime.

So, is Britain really 'full'?

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density

Define full?

Full?

Well its certainly full of small-minded, petty, insular, racist bell ends, utterly devoid of both empathy and compassion by the looks of things

Migration Watch is increasingly recognised as the authority on migration figures. Other people prefer Migration Observatory.
Both were set-up to try and establish an accurate survey of migration numbers. Interestingly, the people who set up Migration Watch were denounced by the mainstream media for being "racists", whereas they were trying to bring some sense to the debate by researching the actual numbers.
Reading this thread and its quick degeneracy into hysterical accusations of "Racist!", I'm gladder than ever both organisations were established.

Migration Watch is increasingly recognised as the authority on migration figures.

By who?

The Daily Mail

And...

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By who?

They were chosen to provide the current figures and forecasts for the cross-party parliamentary working group on immigration.

Their figures have been used by the mainstream media, including The Independent and The Guardian, although for the most part the "leftwing" media prefers to use Migration Observatory (their figures and forecasts are pretty much the same as they operate out of the same department at Oxford).

To claim that Migration Watch is an impartial, independent organisation is frankly laughable.

Have a look at its website [url= http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/what-is-the-problem ]here[/url] and then come back and see if you can use the words 'impartial' or 'independent' with a straight face. On the first page of their own website, they define immigration as the main 'problem' and then come up with their 'solutions' (doesn't say if these are 'final' ones or not) to 'the problem'

Could you just run me through on precisely which planet that could be regarded as 'impartial' or 'independent'? 😆

And frankly they need hoofing in the slats for their hideous use of green, green and green, and that school-art-project logo on their website too 😛

To claim that Migration Watch is an impartial, independent organisation is frankly laughable.

I didn't claim they were politically independent (I consider such a term an oxymoron, an impossibility).

What I claimed is that their research into current migration numbers and their forecasts are widely recognised as the most accurate out there.

Migration Watch's longterm forecasts have proved to be broadly accurate... Though, only on headline numbers, their demographic work turned out to be mostly wrong, which imo means it's mostly just luck that their numbers are right (they predicted far higher immigration from eastern europe, but the shortfall was made up from other sources that they didn't predict. Which is like forecasting your household income for the next year as a million quid, then winning the lottery and claiming you were right.)

They do claim to be apolitical, which seems to be obvious bollocks but you don't have to be apolitical to have valid points.

OTOH, I will always love them for that mid-2000s economic benefit campaign they ran, when they spent ages trailing their forthcoming report that was going to "blow out of the water" all claims that migration was a net economic benefit. Then released it rather quietly when it turned out that it was, after all, a net economic benefit.

Quick change of tack to claim that it wasn't [i]enough[/i] of an economic benefit- at which point it turned out that they'd got the numbers completely wrong anyway and included only the economic benefits from 8 eastern european countries and spread that over all immigrants worldwide, yet [i]still [/i]found an ecomomic benefit. It's still a frequently quoted report, despite that, which may say a lot about the way migration watch's figures are used.

Anyway... Not entirely sure why we're suddenly talking about migration watch, tbh? Diversion tactic? Uh oh, Jambalaya's gone fully Alf Garnett and started raving about jungles and very black people, look, the migrationwatch blimp!

What I claimed is that their research into current migration numbers and their forecasts are widely recognised as the most accurate out there.

How on earth can you regard statistics as reliable when gathered by an organisation with a clearly stated political agenda that would benefit hugely from the manipulation of those figures?

I'd suggest that the only people who'd regard those figures as worth the paper they were written on were people who shared the same political agenda, and morons.

I didn't claim they were politically independent (I consider such a term an oxymoron, an impossibility).

Eh? In what way is it an oxymoron?

[i] Calais Migrant camp- [b]a conversation[/b][/i]

Eh? In what way is it an oxymoron?

It assumes one can have an "independent" point of view. I disagree with this. Everybody has a point of view and hence a bias.

For example, "The Independent" newspaper. This is a contradiction in terms. A newspaper has an editor, hires its journalists in its own image, and hence inevitably has a political bias.

I'd prefer more honest titles, "The Northern Socialist", "The Southern Tory Boy", "The Hackney Lesbian" etc.

How on earth can you regard statistics as reliable when gathered by an organisation with a clearly stated political agenda that would benefit hugely from the manipulation of those figures?

Their figures turned out to be the most accurate when the 2011 Census was published. The government had underestimated the true number by a factor of 4; and Migration Watch had also under-estimated the true figure.

"Eh? In what way is it an oxymoron?"

It assumes one can have an "independent" point of view. I disagree with this. Everybody has a point of view and hence a bias.

Umm. That's not an oxymoron.

Their figures turned out to be the most accurate when the 2011 Census was published.

All that proves is that there are no reliable statistics available, which given the nature of immigration is hardly surprising really.

Surely the first rule of anything you read is to question the motivations of the person publishing it. In this case, they have a clearly stated political agenda which is anything but impartial. The fact of the matter is that nobody can prove or disprove much when ALL the stats, collected by both sides of the arguament are pretty much guesswork

An oxymoron is a compressed paradox, "politically independent" is according to my reasoning as outlined above, an oxymoron.
Unless you'd like to point out why it is not rather than just asking mono-syllabic questions like a Spanish waiter>?

The fact of the matter is that nobody can prove or disprove much when ALL the stats, collected by both sides of the arguament are pretty much guesswork

With the greatest respect, I think you're struggling a bit here Binners. Are you saying that the Census is "pretty much guesswork"?

Because "politically independent" does not embody a paradox, compressed or otherwise. It's like saying "absolute zero" is a paradox - it may be unattainable, but it's not a paradox. It is oxy with no moron.

Having looked into it a bit further, I'd give you the benefit of the doubt on this one DrJ.
I would consider "politically independent" to be a contradiction in terms and hence a paradox/oxymoron. But it is not a classic oxymoron in the sense it uses two opposing concepts, e.g. dark light.
I stand corrected!
(Stands up from chair)

This story is just ripe for BS headlines.

Asylum seekers are neither a problem nor even a big issue. They are refugees suffering an appalling plight. Nationality - Africa/not Africa doesn't matter - and other issues are largely irrelevant. We should be helping them in their plight.

Migration itself is full in nonsense claims and xenophobia eg let's stop Polish workers etc. And asylum seekers is even worse - they represent about 8% of total migration ie a small number. They should be treated with respect and helped in their time in need.

Yes it's overwhelming sitting in Calais watching people trying to find a route to the UK in desperation. But that should not deflect us from the reality of the situation - there is no asylum crisis. But there are people suffering from crisis. Good that we are helping them - we should be doing more.

Indeed THM. This is the biggest movement of people since the second world war. And there are some bloody good reasons for that. So the attitudes of countries like ours absolutely has to change to acknowledge and address the shear scale of this issue.

Like the Germans have, who's openness and humanity shames us all

If we refuse to engage with the issue as a serious player, and take on the xenophobes and small-minded bigots presently framing the narrative in this country, to reassert ourselves as being possessed of at least a modicum of compassion and humanity, then we are truly cutting ourselves off from the world, and properly retreating into a depressingly insular UKIP inspired Little Englander mentality. And the rest of the world, especially our EU partners will not forget that quickly.

Our separation from, and aloof uncaring hostility to such a huge human catastrophe will be how the rest of the world will judge us. And right now, thats not looking too clever. Right now we look like a right shower of selfish, inhumane ****s!

I think that is too harsh Binners. Our inflow figures have largely remained unchanged over the past few years. Yes, other EU countries have seen greater numbers (so our share has gone down but we are still the sixth biggest EU recipient) but that seems to be largely a result of geography more that actual policy. As I read somewhere, I doubt any migrant has knowledge of which countries have more or less stringent asylum policies. They are simply fleeing a terrible plight.

The migrants in Calais know they'll get twice the cash allowance in the uk, they'll get it a bit quicker, there's a good chance of a (black) job and they have a couple of months less to wait to be able to get an official job, their friends/relatives are doing well there and they speak English. (Source - TF1)

As one of millions of economic migrants who have left the UK over the years [url= http://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/nov/26/where-do-uk-expats-live ]British emigration[/url] I understand anyone who wants to improve their quality of life with a move. So I don't blame the migrants themselves. If there is blame I'll cite Mr Blair(and his mate Bush). And if there's an answer it's in helping the countries in the front line to keep people out and most importantly - making it safe for people to prosper in the places they are now fleeing.

In the greater scheme of things Calais is a minor detail. A visible few thousand when millions are on the move.

hat do they get in France then ?
In the Uk they get £36.95 for each person in your household.
Not sure how we can have any [reliable/meaningful]figures for illegal worker that are worth anything.
Agree that language is the main cause

[quote=Junkyard said]hat do they get in France then ?
In the Uk they get £36.95 for each person in your household.

Housing paid for too ?

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Or is that only for refused cases ?

[url= http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F16118.xhtml ]11.45e per day[/url]

Yes housing is paid in the UK but he said cash in the hand hence I only mentioned that

I assume th French house them in some fashion as well.

To be clear I dont disagree with the thrust of his piece I just queried those figures/ wanted a source other than [ what i assume] is a tv channel.

EDIT:

Cheers and given the full allowances I assume they will end up being broadly similar - i assume Frnech give money but no Housing Benefit
If not theirs is way more generous than other

Maximum monthly resources
Number of people

FIGURES ARE SINGLE AND COUPLE
NUMBERS ARE I ASSUME KIDS

0

€ 524.16

€ 786.24

1

€ 897.44

€ 943.49

2

€ 1,121

1 € 100.74

3

€ 1,346

1 € 310.40

4

€ 1,571

1 € 467.65

And if there's an answer it's in helping the countries in the front line to keep people out and most importantly - making it safe for people to prosper in the places they are now fleeing.

I agree. The question I'd ask is: how do we make them safer?

The unpleasant truth is those countries were safer places when they were run as police states by political autocrats.

TF1 TV also showed a new design of tent which is going to be used in a new[s]concentration [/s] camp not too far from Calais. A form of "house them".

The vast majority of migrants aren't from war zones, badnewz. They are from relatively stable countries the west trades with. Time to start negotiating etter conditions for minorities with ****stan (for example) rather than flying drones at their behest. Nigeria isn't safe for minorities despite being run as a police stzate by political [s]despots[/s] autocrats.

We have today the highest global numbers of refugees since the end of World War 2.

They haven't become refugees because they live in [i]"relatively stable countries"[/i], nor because they have suddenly discovered that they can get better wages/benefits/housing somewhere else, something which they previously were unaware of.

http://www.unhcr.org/558193896.html

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[i]"Globally, one in every 122 humans is now either a refugee, internally displaced, or seeking asylum. If this were the population of a country, it would be the world's 24th biggest."[/i]

The migrants in Calais know they'll get twice the cash allowance in the uk,

Is that what they are looking for? I thought someone said earlier they were looking for jobs.

Nice way to label them all as benefit scroungers. Good Dailymailing there.

Selective quoting, Molgrips. Everyone else will read all my post. Besides it's not Dailymailing, it's TF1ing, my first paragraph was lifted straight from TF1 hence my credit - source TF1.

You quoted it though.. hmm.

So TF1 does a report on the jungle and the reasons migrants congregate there and you go "hmm" in disapproval when I quote the reasons given by the migrants themselves to a TV journalist, Molgrips. Have a look at the thread title and the OP's request for conversations.

Do you want to be informed of the reasons the migrants favour the UK or would you rather hear politically correct lies?

Edit:

If you read Hurtmore's post above mine you'll have seen:

I doubt any migrant has knowledge of which countries have more or less stringent asylum policies

On the basis of the migrants interviewed by TF1 the migrants are intelligent, well-informed, know the advantages and disadvantages of countries and want the best for themselves. On the bright side this suggests they'll be equally determined to prosper once in the UK and work hard to achieve their ambitions.

Well you said TF1 said it now you are saying migrants said it
Your own figures show they have more cash in France
Now you are ranting about PC lies when you have changed from TF1 said to seekers said.

Same old same old you start off rational you go to frothing indignation [ ranting about PC ]so so quickly.

What next racism in Leicester in the 70's?

gofasterstripes - Member

I just said I could do a better job than most and that I am here to compete for a job.

Well, good for you.

Yes, as ZM I am better than the ZMs here.

I just said I could do a better job than most and that I am here to compete for a job.

Hang on a minute!

Deja Vu? Cut the long story short ... I kick the ZM arse! (Merican accent)

Yes, I did but Not via backdoor nor illegal means. I did not beg nor used force entry or even in fear of my life.

And in the modified version of that.... what's the big deal?

If they are not qualified then go fight the war ...

Do you want to be informed of the reasons the migrants favour the UK or would you rather hear politically correct lies?

TBF you claimed that [i]"migrants in Calais know get twice the cash allowance in the UK"[/i], and yet your figure of 60 quid a week in France seems to be a lot more than Junkyard's 37 quid in the UK.

Someone's telling porkies but I'm not sure who.

Now you are ranting about PC lies when you have changed from TF! said to seekers said.

Same old same old you start off rational you go to frothing indignation [ ranting about PC ]so so quickly.

What next racism in Leicester in the 70's?

Thread reported. First time ever.

Thread reported. First time ever.

You reported the whole thread because people had the nerve to challenge your rather dubious claims ?

ernie_lynch - Member

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Thread reported. First time ever.

You reported the whole thread because people had the nerve to challenge your rather dubious claims ?

😆 Bloody hell I shall wait for you outside the school gate ... (like school waiting for a fight but in this case hang bags ...)