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Yes, like the linked one, bit cheap and cheerful, but do the job.
yeah, my (auto-electrician) mate said the same to me about it. he said you cant get the decent quality goodwood type jobbies for that make/model/age of car any more, so the only alternative is a cheap chinese on which can be pot luck. hes seen a load fail in his line of work.
he mentioned you could probably get a different dashboard to suit a better one, but ive no appetite for taking it that far.
like i said, shame, as the provenance/history of the car was ideal.
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just tried posting this but got bombed out, something about a problem with my data so i'll try again.
wifes just sent me an i20, about 30 miles from home. its 100,000 on the clock and £5k.
whats your opinion on the model/engine type? any alarm bells? i know itll be overpriced at a dealer but if its the right car...... cant get to see it til middle of next week anyway but thought id ask your opinions. the pics show it to be in good nick.
Just get a simple car. Avoid those "high tech" cars with plenty of gadgets cos they will be plenty to go wrong.
well we've just been to look at another hyundai active but better than the last one. same price (£5k), same year (2016) but this ones got FSH, fewer miles on it (71k) and seems well looked after, just a few small scratches on the back but thats to be expected at that age.
apparently its a 1.0 T-GDi turbo petrol engine, so my question is...... turbo? we're looking for simple petrol engine, as little as possible to go wrong. anyone know what these engines are like and how serious it would be if the turbo was to fail?
only got a short test on it but he says he'd put one on if it was called for. we've got a good feel for it, lovely looking car that appears to have been well looked after, so next question is, is that car/model/engine worth £5k? would it be fair to offer less and accept the gamble of putting a test on ourselves?
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ewwww actually my wifes just told me id got the price wrong, it would appear to be £6k, not £5k. not such a good price after all then :-/
apparently its a 1.0 T-GDi turbo petrol engine, so my question is...... turbo? we're looking for simple petrol engine, as little as possible to go wrong. anyone know what these engines are like and how serious it would be if the turbo was to fail?
Well you're right that it is more to go wrong, but almost everything has a turbo now, including pretty much every van you see.
Many of those will get driven hard from cold, with zero mechanical sympathy and the maximum possible interval between oil changes.
So yeah modern turbos are pretty robust TBH (in general, i don't know this specific car/engine).
but almost everything has a turbo now,
yeah? that surprises me, i didnt think any of the small cars did unless they were sport versions.
So yeah modern turbos are pretty robust TBH (in general, i don't know this specific car/engine).
so you wouldnt be too worried about the car only doing lots of small journeys? im talking of 2 journeys per day, 2 miles each time, sometimes even less? thats why we're only considering petrol, i hadnt even considered that any of these small cars might have a turbo.
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but almost everything has a turbo now,
yeah? that surprises me, i didnt think any of the small cars did unless they were sport versions.
So yeah modern turbos are pretty robust TBH (in general, i don't know this specific car/engine).
so you wouldnt be too worried about the car only doing lots of small journeys? im talking of 2 journeys per day, 2 miles each time, sometimes even less? thats why we're only considering petrol, i hadnt even considered that any of these small cars might have a turbo.
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Problem with tiny low powered petrol engines relying on a turbo is you'll be on boost pretty much all the time, otherwise it will be slow as hell.. Ford eco-boost engines seem to have a bit of a questioable rep for reliability, for example.
but almost everything has a turbo now,
yeah? that surprises me, i didnt think any of the small cars did unless they were sport versions.
So yeah modern turbos are pretty robust TBH (in general, i don't know this specific car/engine).
so you wouldnt be too worried about the car only doing lots of small journeys? im talking of 2 journeys per day, 2 miles each time, sometimes even less? thats why we're only considering petrol, i hadnt even considered that any of these small cars might have a turbo.
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Sounds like an ev might be a better option? 2 miles is a bad workload for any engine really, turbo or not. Check out the Nissan leaf and Renault zoe.
Sounds like an ev might be a better option? 2 miles is a bad workload for any engine really, turbo or not. Check out the Nissan leaf and Renault zoe.
for around £5k? not really clued up on EVs tbh altho ive been dipping in and out of the EV thread to try and understand them a bit better. are those 2 cars hybrids or full electric? and i suppose theyd have a crap range before needing a recharge?
and back to the 'small far eastern engines'.... our nissan note has done us proud over the years and we'd still be happy getting another similar small petrol jobbie (it does still get a decent run periodically), so would you say this small engine with the turbo would be a worse option than one without? or negligible?
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Problem with tiny low powered petrol engines relying on a turbo is you'll be on boost pretty much all the time, otherwise it will be slow as hell
How slow ? I've a 1.2 nonturbo 108 82 bhp and it's perfectly capable of being traffic
How fast do you need for a run about.
Drives far nicer than dacias 0.9 turbo
i know the best part of nowt about engines.
when does the turbo kick in? above a certain rev number in each gear? just above a certain speed, so only in 5th say at 60mph? is a turbo in a small engine like this a bad idea then?
still wondering whether to go for it or not, its a nice car, at £6k its above the price id like to pay but if it lasts us 10 years or so like the last one then probably not toooo bad. the turbo thing definitely worries me slightly tho. we're looking at simple petrol engines, the less to go wrong the better, and now all of a sudden theres turbo failure to consider 😀
If you don't like the idea of a small engine with turbo then just get an NA engined car instead, plenty to choose from and 1.4 petrol engines are generally adequate for most smaller cars.
I may have suggested these before, but the Kia Venga is a good value, non-nonsense option. Like this one.
I haven't checked the MOT history on that, but there are plenty more about. We've had one in the family since new and it's been awesome.
when does the turbo kick in?
its a function of the amount of air being pushed out the back of the engine. In a petrol car, this is a combination of revs and throttle position - on a modern "utility" car, it will likely have full boost available from around 2,000 rpm at full throttle. The turbo won't be working if you're pootling along at those revs (ie driving at 70 on the motorway) but is when you're accelerating hard.
on a diesel, the turbo is spinning more of the time as the throttle doesn't exist to limit the air going in (and thus out) of the engine - there's still a difference based on how much power you're asking for, but not as much as in a petrol
I wouldn't be worried about short journeys on a turbo. I'd probably err towards a hybrid if thats your driving pattern, but turbo shouldn't be unreliable
that particular i20 seems expensive - for 2 grand more you can get one half the age (still in warranty) with fewer miles
2mile journey? Surely bicycle is the correct answer? (I can't remember the beginning of the thread)
Failing that AND you can charge it away from the road/pavement then an EV is the answer. Even the cheapest most knackered Nissan Leaf on autotrader will do 10x that journey on a single charge.
A 5k leaf will get 70-100miles range and the beauty of them is no engine to break/no oils to change. As a fan of Bangernomics they are on my radar.
Whizzy/farty small turbo'd high output engines aren't built for longevity and especially when not getting up to temperature on a 2mile journey.
when does the turbo kick in? above a certain rev number in each gear? just above a certain speed, so only in 5th say at 60mph? is a turbo in a small engine like this a bad idea then?
You don't have to worry about it. It makes little difference in real life - the only thing is that if you drive it slightly harder you can make it significantly less economical, and to make it economical you have to drive really very gently.
A Leaf is a good option for purely local driving but do not get a 2010-2012 one.
But as above - bike, or ebike, is the solution for 2 miles. I wouldn't even bother, I'd be walking.
Aren't we coming back round to where this started? NA petrol, like a 1.3 vtec?
Problem with tiny low powered petrol engines relying on a turbo is you'll be on boost pretty much all the time, otherwise it will be slow as hell
How slow ? I've a 1.2 nonturbo 108 82 bhp and it's perfectly capable of being traffic
How fast do you need for a run about.
Drives far nicer than dacias 0.9 turbo
Yes that's what I meant... Sorry I did not word it very well.
I've an N/A 1.2 Micra.. It's perfectly capable and is even quite comfy doing 80 on the motorway.
It'll never win any street races but that's not what's it's designed for.
2mile journey? Surely bicycle is the correct answer?
oh if only. commute is on a dangerous road, grass verge, no cycle lane, lorries hurtling past. ive been forbidden from biking it by my family.
Failing thatANDyou can charge it away from the road/pavement then an EV is the answer. Even the cheapest most knackered Nissan Leaf on autotrader will do 10x that journey on a single charge.
without crossing threads with the EV one, wouldnt i need to pay lots of pennies to get a charger installed?
But as above - bike, or ebike, is the solution for 2 miles. I wouldn't even bother, I'd be walking.
A Leaf is a good option for purely local driving but do not get a 2010-2012 one.
I've an N/A 1.2 Micra.. It's perfectly capable and is even quite comfy doing 80 on the motorway.
A Leaf will charge from a normal 13pin plug (not very big batteries)
The first ones had the worst battery chemistry......and all white interiors.
just been looking at leafs (leaves?)
i20 man tho has just messaged me to say hed take £5.5k now and its going on autotrader today. do you think thats still too high for what it is?
I suppose other considerations are it's only got a short test, and how much would a turbo cost if it went?
Those Maeving electric motorbikes were talked about positively on another thread. Good for 70mph so you won't be being overtaken by lorries.
Those Maeving electric motorbikes were talked about positively on another thread. Good for 70mph so you won't be being overtaken by lorries.
are they not something rediculous like 8 grand ?
just been looking at leafs (leaves?)
i20 man tho has just messaged me to say hed take £5.5k now and its going on autotrader today. do you think thats still too high for what it is?
I suppose other considerations are it's only got a short test, and how much would a turbo cost if it went?
Personally I think turbo or not is a non-point, other than small turbo engines are generally a lot nicer to drive than non-turbo small engines.
There's a lot of expensive stuff on any modern car that can break. As long as the car hasn't been remapped and isn't making any scary loud whistling noises or making clouds of smoke under heavy acceleration, the turbo is no more likely to fail than any of the rest of it. Like I said, pretty much every piece of industrial transport on the road is using them, and they wouldn't if they were unreliable.
These downsized engines are designed from the outset to be used with a turbo and run on boost, they have stronger connecting rods etc.
The Ecoboost thing is a red herring IMHO, they blow up due to the cambelt falling apart and blocking the oil feeds, same problem as the (turbo AND non-turbo) Peugeot/Citroen Puretech engine (which is also one to avoid).
the turbo is no more likely to fail than any of the rest of it
Mmm, I dunno about that. It's not that they are especially unreliable but they are a source of issues that you could do without.
Peugeot/Citroen Puretech engine (which is also one to avoid).
Chain conversion available and similar cost to cambelt maintainance. .. unlike the ford ecoboom which hasn't got the option
well i see my last post was february and still not sorted so you can see im in no rush 😀
anyways, just lately weve seen a few Yarises, particularly 2012 Toyota Yaris 1.33 VVT-i TR 5dr 6-Speed. i note that this engine also seems to be on an Auris too.
recommended engine? anything to be wary of?
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recommended engine? anything to be wary of?
It's a Toyota... 🤷🏻♂️
Only thing to be wary of is service history really, like with anything, but you'll get no unwanted surprises with a Toyota.
Safest brand to buy (followed closely by Honda) for anybody who has zero knowledge or interest in cars...
thanks. im looking at all the eastern makes really, hyundai, honda, toyota, nissan, kia etc....
nissan pulsar's another one ive seen but not a model ive seen before.
EDIT: specifically.... Nissan Pulsar 1.2 DIG-T Tekna Euro 6 (s/s) 5dr
anyways, just lately weve seen a few Yarises, particularly2012 Toyota Yaris 1.33 VVT-i TR 5dr 6-Speed.
My GF has this one. If you see a tidy one one with a good service history at a fair price, just get it bought.
We have a 2008 57 play Yaris Diesel. 63mpg, doesn't gum up on short journeys and apart from obvious consumables has only needed a new horn, battery and brake lines (we live on the cost and out work place is literally 100m from the sea. The plastic headlamps benefitted from a Polish as they'd gone a bit yellow. At the last MOT I was told there was a bushing that might want looking at before the next MOT.
I wouldnt hesitate to recommend it.
we had a 1.2 DIG-T and it had engine management issues, lower power, at 80k miles, garage quoted a few thousand for a few things and it was not worth it. Having said that have had VW and Audi diesel turbos to 235k miles OK, current Saab is a petrol turbo;)
I am also currently looking for a new-to-me old small car.
So far I have seen:
2013 Mini one. Looked great, drove ok, bar knocking bushings on the rear.... but there was a puddle of coolant on the floor. I guess gen 2 minis will always need a budget for water pumps, thermostats, timing chain/tensioner...
2015? fiesta 1.0 ecoboom. This one had already boomed and had been rebuilt. Looked rough, but it went like a rocket. Not what I expected. Owner then admitted to chipping it to 160bhp. Also not what I want. Also rusty cills.
Another 2015? fiesta ecoboom. This one standard at 125bhp. Drove fine. Rusty cills. Dealer said £100 a side to sort. I took photos and popped into my local body shop. They said up to £500 a side to do a proper job.
2015 Jazz. This one should be the one, yeah? Well drove ok, rattly but ok. Checked underneath and it was gone...subframes, suspension components, everything. Looked like it had lived the last 10 years on a beach.
2012 A1. Luxury stuff eh? Well this one went like stink, was comfy, but I think maybe rear bushings again. Was in good condition underneath. Timing chain and clutch done, but no other history. Quite good though.
I will next look at another Jazz to see if they aren't all rust-pits. Maybe a Swift, but apart from the sport they look a bit slow? I am no speed freak, but I live next to very short sliproads to get onto a dual carriageway. Maybe another mini or maybe a Ibiza.
You've really got to check under these cars, especially if it's lived in the North (more road salt). Most folk pay zero attention to cleaning a car off underneath in winter and it doesn't take long for road salt to eat through the thin black paint and make a right mess.
just a dealer question if you dont mind as im not sure whether to call bullsh1t on this.
was looking at a nissan note just over an hour away from us, so i wouldnt go view unless i was fairly sure we'd buy if it was as described. looked through the pics and it looked dirty inside which surprised me as i thought they were all valeted before going up for sale. i rang and asked if it was actually dirty, or whether it might have been the photo quality that made it look that way.
https://alpineautogroup.co.uk/vehicle/name/nissan-note-1-2-12v-n-tec-euro-5-s-s-5dr/
he stated that at this time of the year they dont 'wet valet' them unless theyre sold, as theyd just go mouldy stood on the forecourt for months on end if wet cleaned. "but dont worry, if you buy it we'll then make sure its in lovely condition"
never heard of that before, so are they just lazy dealers or is there something in that?
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