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That well-known photography and videography website - Pinkbike is actually a Mountain Bike site.
I agree with that point in general but the written media[ newsprint] is clearly, and in fact openly, right wing
News papers are responding to their customers. Left wing people don't buy newspapers, they would only read one if it where given to them. 😉
There is no VAT on food
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-notice-70114-food/vat-notice-70114-food
You must always standard-rate (SR) VAT on …
ice cream, similar products, and mixes for making them – see 3.5confectionery, apart from cakes and some biscuits, – see 3.6
alcoholic beverages, – see 3.7
other beverages, and preparations for making them – see 3.7
potato crisps, roasted or salted nuts and some other savoury snack products – see 3.8
products for home brewing and wine making – see 3.7.
Standard diet of all those ill-educated, NHS-draining ignorant plebs only earning £30k, surely?
Well if you are earning, say, £30k pa you are taking out more in services (NHS, infrastructure, pension) than you are putting in.
Got anything to support that Jammers? Or is it just more Jambernomics that we just have to take at face value, because... well.. it just 'is'
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Standard diet of all those ill-educated, NHS-draining ignorant plebs only earning £30k, surely?
Not to mention the huge tax on 12 packs of Stella, packets of 20 Lambert & Butler and big Tellies with Sky Sports subscriptions
More of an urban myth I suppose but that thing about how you supposedly swallow a certain amount of spiders per year from them crawling into your mouth while you're sleeping.... was made up by someone creating a list of examples of the kind of stupid made-up 'facts' that end up being perceived as true - but it became 'fact' anyway. 🙂
The poor pay more in VAT as a proportion of their incomeThere is no VAT on food, rent and reduced rates on energy. The campaign groups that spout this nonsense twist the calculation to exclude food, rent etc and just look at additional discretionary spending. I've been enough of an anorak to do my own calculations and the less well off par far less VAT as a proportion than the majority, [b]you have to get to the very wealthy who are saving a lot of money each year before the myth is true.[/b]
So its not true and a myth except for when its true
IMHO posts work better when you dont contradict your own point
HTH
Trickle Down' economics
The existence of the theory of "Trickle Down" economics - [url= http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/04/sorry-but-trickle-down-economics-doesnt-exist-and-never-has-done/ ]see here for discussion.[/url]
Religion
^^ thisEnd of thread right there.
The 'food triangle'
Basking sharks hibernating on the ocean floor during the winter, they don't.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2785-basking-shark-hibernation-a-fishy-tale/
Well if we're going down the road of taxation.
"higher earners pay twice the rate of income tax as lower earners"
Aside from the fact that we all pay the same rate at the various levels of income one little nugget the most moaners miss is that at the same level that income tax goes from 20% to 40% NI drops from 12% to 2% so really total deductions go from 32% to 42%, add in the fact that unless you're doing very well the majority of your income is taxed at the same rate as everyone else - the difference is actually negligible.
The 'food triangle'....?
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And in fact proves the concept of the thread quite well.
That people believe bullshit made to mislead them?
Panorama certainly did a good job on the weak minded...
binners winz dafred
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Well if we're going down the road of taxation."higher earners pay twice the rate of income tax as lower earners"
Aside from the fact that we all pay the same rate at the various levels of income one little nugget the most moaners miss is that at the same level that income tax goes from 20% to 40% NI drops from 12% to 2% so really total deductions go from 32% to 42%, add in the fact that unless you're doing very well the majority of your income is taxed at the same rate as everyone else - the difference is actually negligible.
Push it further, and beyond £100k you lose your personal allowance in stages, so abouve £100k life becomes almost unbearable due to taxation alledgedly.
House prices will go up for ever and ever and ever and never ever fall again. Ever. Amen
Leveraged BTL is a foolproof, guaranteed investment rather than a speculative gamble based on historically low interest rates which will never ever go up. Ever.
We'll never ever have to pay off all the debt we're in and it's all ok so long as we can afford the monthly repayments...
Push it further, and beyond £100k you lose your personal allowance in stages, so abouve £100k life becomes almost unbearable due to taxation alledgedly.
Bit of a straw man there. I don't know of anyone who said anything like that although it is the case that if you are earning just over the £100k it makes good financial sense to do whatever you can within the law to reduce your gross income to less than that figure.
Welshfarmer,
If I keep saying its true, it will become a meme, correct ... ?
Can't seem to turn on the news these days without hearing some politician repeat that if someone has somehow been identified as being involved in terrorist activities that the government would somehow be remiss in its duties if it didn't go bomb the shit out of them regardless of nationality or what country they happen to be in, without any sort of trial or publication of evidence.
Bit of a straw man there. I don't know of anyone who said anything like that although it is the case that if you are earning just over the £100k it makes good financial sense to do whatever you can within the law to reduce your gross income to less than that figure.
Indeed. I had this conversation in the office and it went two ways:
a) General advice - stick anything that approaches 100k and beyond into your salary sacrifice pension - for sake of argument - at work, so you only "take home" 100k but the rest goes into your potential future.
b) Even every 50p in every £1 is a contribution toward a new <insert essential purchase item here> should I need the money available.
Note we are not talking my salary here fwiw..!
a) General advice - stick anything that approaches 100k and beyond into your salary sacrifice pension - for sake of argument - at work, so you only "take home" 100k but the rest goes into your potential future.
Yeah that's exactly what I did, although it needn't be a salary sacrifice scheme; any pension scheme will do the same job you just need to wait a little longer to get the cash. Other sacrifice schemes like buying additional leave will do the same thing.
That people believe bullshit made to mislead them?
Absolutely.
Couple of good examples.
Lots of stuff for sale on both those sites, and lots of advertising revenue.
There's a shed load of money to be made spreading "the truth"
Push it further, and beyond £100k you lose your personal allowance in stages, so abouve £100k life becomes almost unbearable due to taxation alledgedly.
Quite - as we have seen recently, people have complained to the Telegraph about how earning a fortune has left them in penury.
If you remove a pen drive from a computer before closing it properly, the e-horsemen of the apocolypse will be unleashed and will do untold damage... I've tried it - it doesn't.
was going to say "trickle down economics" but already covered
"mefty - Member
Trickle Down' economics
The existence of the theory of "Trickle Down" economics - see here for discussion.
[url] http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/04/sorry-but-trickle-down-economics-doesnt-exist-and-never-has-done/ [/url]"
now I'm lost - trickle down never existed and there are articles that tell me that - if there are multiple articles I guess that makes it true?
trailhound101If you remove a pen drive from a computer before closing it properly, the e-horsemen of the apocolypse will be unleashed and will do untold damage... I've tried it - it doesn't.
That can actually happen.
Boost 148.
The idea that people once thought the world is flat is bollox, it's never been a widely-held belief.
Erastothenes calculated the circumference of the earth in 200 BC (without leaving Egypt 8) ), so anyone educated has known the world is round since ancient times. But even an illiterate peasant would appreciate it if they lived by the sea, and know for a fact if they ever saw / sailed a boat.
Lots of stuff for sale on both those sites, and lots of advertising revenue.
There's a shed load of money to be made spreading "the truth"
It's a tricky one~ not sure if it's a money making enterprise, or a means of sustaining their work, but you do have a fair point... surely if truths of such significance were being revealed, someone would do it for free, for the common good...
That said, the money made trying to prevent war pales in comparison to the money made by those who make war...
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If you remove a pen drive from a computer before closing it properly, the e-horsemen of the apocolypse will be unleashed and will do untold damage... I've tried it - it doesn't.
I have lost data this way. I usually format my USB drives to write data instantly so that you can just unplug them. One drive I forgot to, then did indeed lose data.
You [b]can [/b]lose data, doesn't mean you [b]will[/b]. Likely OS's have improved since XP too and don't write data to removable drives like they used to.
Knee over bullshit
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/kops.html
6 degrees of bullshit
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/more_or_less/5176698.stm
The idea that people once thought the world is flat is bollox, it's never been a widely-held belief.
ain't that a kick in the head
"Turkey is a democracy."
Next in lines is "Turkey is ready to join the EU".
Sports drinks
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2012/aug/07/sports-drinks-hydration-theory-water
Why is Adam Sandler talking to Prince Andrew and hasn't he turned grey. Makes you think?
Shoes
https://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=255
Pull up on pedals
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/fitness/training/how-to-pedal-efficiently-173185
http://www.over40cyclist.com/correct-pedalling-technique/
http://roadcyclinguk.com/riding/bike-fitting-the-myth-of-the-upstroke.html#EmCiEYbUtxKvfgi5.97
http://velocitysportscycling.com/cycling-myth-busting-from-team-sky/
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NiMH cells remember how much they've been discharged
Sort of.
I'll make a note for when I next put batteries in a spacecraft equipped with solar panels experiencing a day/night cycle.
Bears can't run downhill
Dogs can't look up
The moon landings...
it's all Li-Ion for spacecraft batteries now. Just for the avoidance of doubt, given the thread title, that's not BS that's become "fact".
The bloke out of Red Dwarf who was on Robot Wars was convicted of rape.He wasn't.
Something the press have a poor record with (on the very long list of poor practices) is giving coverage of the allegations in court cases but not following that up later with the verdict. Not just in cases where theres a celebrity involved but just any ordinary joe where the papers think the allegations are entertaining enough to publish - they have the all the extremes of the allegations made against them published nationally. But if those allegations prove to be groundless, or if the most salacious aspects are dropped by the prosecution, or if the defendant is found innocent the papers don't bother to publish.
I don't know if the record has improved of late but about 10 years ago the UK papers were only reporting the verdict of about 1 in 10 of the court cases they'd given coverage to.
Reminds me of the Diana inquest, the verdict of which was [b]Unlawful Killing[/b]...
This is an interesting watch, though not unbiased:
Captain Pugwash [u]didn't[/u] actually have any characters named after euphemisms.. Seaman Staines, Roger the Cabin boy etc didn't exist, despite everyone "remembering" them..
[url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/captain-pugwash-creator-traumatised-urban-5896636 ]http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/captain-pugwash-creator-traumatised-urban-5896636[/url]
the previous generation of Alfa Romeos suffered from terrible rust which this new model addresses...
Well half of that statement is true
Clint Eastwood is Stan laurels son.
Reminds me of the Diana inquest, the verdict of which was [b]Unlawful Killing...[/b]
Which was widely reported at the time as far as I remember.
The only thing that relates to the theme of this thread about the whole Diana thing, is that people have said it wasn't just a car crash so often, it's become a "fact" to some people.
Also, You've missed out the bit of the verdict after "unlawful killing" and replaced it with a few dots.
Any reason for that ?
the bit after the ... is "through grossly negligent driving"jivehoneyjive - MemberReminds me of the Diana inquest, the verdict of which was Unlawful Killing...
No need to derail another entertaining thread.
There are some genuinely enlightening busted myths so far (for me anyway).
Edit: I see someone beat me to it 🙂
the bit after the ... is "through grossly negligent driving"
and not wearing her seatbelt...
Well half of that statement is true
no rust on my last 3 alfas, you have to go back a fair way to find the rusting ones...
andytherocketeer - Memberit's all Li-Ion for spacecraft batteries now. Just for the avoidance of doubt, given the thread title, that's not BS that's become "fact".
It's why they keep blowing up in the kitchen
no rust on my last 3 alfas, you have to go back a fair way to find the rusting ones...
Well, if you only keep them for 6 months from new then you wouldn't experience rust problems. The rust only sets in from month 7. 😉
binners - MemberGot anything to support that Jammers? Or is it just more Jambernomics that we just have to take at face value, because... well.. it just 'is'
This one's actually true. The amount may not be exactly right but the principal is, the average wage earner takes more out of "the system" than they put in directly via tax.
And some people like that stat, so they carefully ignore the fact that the tax an average earner pays is the smaller part of their total contribution. Their real value-added comes from the work they do. Which ironically is what allows other people to be paid more.
Long Range Weather Forcasts predicting coldest winter in years, presumably spun to hike gas futures, we had one last year and again this.
no rust on my last 3 alfas, you have to go back a fair way to find the rusting ones..
There was no rust on my 159 when I owned it, but I'd be confident there is now.
Any reason for that ?
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/diana-just-a-car-crash-or-a-murder-mystery-428355.html ]There are a few points which raise questions, that haven't been adequately addressed by the inquest[/url]:
[b]The CCTV cameras[/b]There were more than 14 CCTV cameras in the Pont d'Alma underpass, yet none have recorded footage of the fatal collision.
Sources have claimed that they were turned to face the wall, or were simply switched off. The official French judicial enquiry into the crash was told that none of the cameras were working.
However, one motorist received a speeding ticket after being caught on a nearby camera 15 minutes before the accident.
[b]The Fiat Uno[/b]A white Fiat Uno was seen to collide with the Mercedes as it entered the tunnel. Unexplained white paint was later found on the car's wreckage, and part of a bumper and tail-light were found near the scene of the crash.
An exhaustive database search of 112,000 similar Fiats never found the elusive car, and no driver came forward.
[b]James Andason[/b]This French photographer, who had been following Diana and Dodi all Summer, was known to have owned a white Fiat Uno, which was sold and resprayed days after the crash. He was also a paid informant for both British and French intelligence, but insisted that he was not in Paris on the night of the accident.
Three years later, his charred remains were found in a locked car in remote farmland in the South of France.
[b]The bright light[/b]In her memoir Spies, Lies and Whistleblowers, the former Mi5 agent Annie Machon claimed Brtitish intelligence paid to have Diana killed by shining a bright light at the car after it entered the tunnel, to prevent Paul seeing.
The operation would have borne similarities to an identical Mi6 plot aimed at assassinating Slobodan Milosevich during the 1990s. However, as a murder technique it is hazardous.
'some eye-witnesses have reported seeing a white flash at the time of the collission'
[b]The emergency services
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One of the largest concerns about Diana's death has been the length of time it took to extract her from the wreckage of the Mercedes.Some experts have suggested that the Princess might have been saved if she had been operated on more rapidly.
[url= http://www.****/news/article-2407571/Princess-Diana-SAS-murder-claim--mad-think-says-SUE-REID.html ]Then of course there is the testimony of SAS involvement from Soldier N [/url]
and
[url= http://www.****/news/article-495189/Embalming-Diana-illegal-needed-Paris-heat.html ]the illegal premature embalming of Diana's body[/url]...
Diana? **** me! Does anybody actually care*
* Except the Daily Express who alternate their cover story between her and Madeline McCann 🙄
Well, I never the Daily Express has hacked this site.
22 seconds too slow
Well, if you only keep them for 6 months from new then you wouldn't experience rust problems. The rust only sets in from month 7
2 years, 5 years and 4 years on this one, this one is now 11 years old. 2nd one had a rusty exhaust...
Maybe its my technique of hardly ever cleaning them that works well. If there's no green stuff forming around the wing mirrors, they don't need cleaning yet...
Then of course there is the testimony of SAS involvement from Soldier N
you can see from that picture she didn't have her seatbelt on - maybe it was nobbled?
no rust on my last 3 alfas, you have to go back a fair way to find the rusting ones...
is it like those self destructing tapes in mission impossible. leave no evidence...
Binners + 1 ef&king Diana, should've been hanged as a traitor 😈 just for getting jiggy with Al Fayed's son
Stop derailing another thread Jive.
Sadly, no matter how often jive repeats his theories, they never become true
Not my theories and not derailing a thread... just calling out bullshit, as per thread title...
You're not so please stop.
Back on topic then...
UK Foreign Policy is based on protecting the Nation's citizens.
I call BS
Jimmy Saville had Diana killed. Everyone knows this!
Thank you.
Northwind - Memberbinners - Member
Got anything to support that Jammers? Or is it just more Jambernomics that we just have to take at face value, because... well.. it just 'is'
This one's actually true. The amount may not be exactly right but the principal is, the average wage earner takes more out of "the system" than they put in directly via tax.
And some people like that stat, so they carefully ignore the fact that the tax an average earner pays is the smaller part of their total contribution. Their real value-added comes from the work they do. Which ironically is what allows other people to be paid more.
Yep, it's the one of the right of centre chants - "most tax payers" and how it's terribly unfair that those at the top are the only net contributors.
It's actually business and industry which 'makes up' the shortfall, because (RBS and HBOS aside) business shouldn't actually take anything from 'the pot'.
Erastothenes calculated the circumference of the earth in 200 BC
That's not what I read. He calculated the correct figure, but he thought he was calculating the distance from the Earth to the Sun. He assumed the earth was a plane to calculate using parallax, but given it's not, and the sun is too far away to exhibit the effect he was looking for, he calculated the diameter of the earth instead.
Northwind - Member
binners - MemberGot anything to support that Jammers? Or is it just more Jambernomics that we just have to take at face value, because... well.. it just 'is'
This one's actually true. The amount may not be exactly right but the principal is, the average wage earner takes more out of "the system" than they put in directly via tax.
And some people like that stat, so they carefully ignore the fact that the tax an average earner pays is the smaller part of their total contribution. Their real value-added comes from the work they do. Which ironically is what allows other people to be paid more.
Yep, it's the one of the right of centre chants - "most tax payers" and how it's terribly unfair that those at the top are the only net contributors.It's actually business and industry which 'makes up' the shortfall, because (RBS and HBOS aside) business shouldn't actually take anything from 'the pot'.
Of course this ignores the fact that, per head, we generally take more out of the state than we put in. Which doesn't necessarily matter as money is an imaginary thing, and clearly there are enough people to do things/make things that we spend the money on...
The operation would have borne similarities to an identical Mi6 plot aimed at assassinating Slobodan Milosevich during the 1990s. However, as a murder technique it is hazardous.
Murder techniques do tend to be hazardous for at least one person involved in the transaction...
The Labour party caused an international recession, the Tories would have regulated the banking industry better, and that the current government are reducing the deficit.
These are the most pernicious bits of BS that almost everyone seems to believe.
Where did you read that nonsense - flatearth.com?molgrips - MemberErastothenes calculated the circumference of the earth in 200 BC
That's not what I read. He calculated the correct figure, but he thought he was calculating the distance from the Earth to the Sun. He assumed the earth was a plane to calculate using parallax, but given it's not, and the sun is too far away to exhibit the effect he was looking for, he calculated the diameter of the earth instead.
Erastothenes did also attempt to measure the distance from the earth to the sun, but understanding of astronomy / instrumentation wasn't sufficient for an accurate figure at the time - had to wait till the 1600s for that one.
Kryton57 managed to get home before he crapped himself after eating a Phall curry!!
Hora is real.
Where did you read that nonsense - flatearth.com?
A book by I think John Gribbin, or someone of his ilk maybe.
Bob Holness played saxophone on "Baker Street".
50% divorce rate.