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Someone on the "defence spending review thread" said
It's just one of those things where someone's bullshit has become the accepted truth because it's repeated so often and because so many articles are just cut-n-pastes.
I came across two examples of this sort of thing recently.
[b]1) Max Moseley like Nazi S&M[/b]
This was the NoTW's claim. It was complete sexy bullshit, as they well knew. Interestingly, it's sexy bullshit that the High Court ruled on: http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2008/1777.html&query=Mosley+and+nazi+and+sex&method=boolean
. I found that there was no evidence that the gathering on 28 March 2008 was intended to be an enactment of Nazi behaviour or adoption of any of its attitudes. Nor was it in fact. I see no genuine basis at all for the suggestion that the participants mocked the victims of the Holocaust.
There was bondage, beating and domination which seem to be typical of S and M behaviour. But there was no public interest or other justification for the clandestine recording, for the publication of the resulting information and still photographs, or for the placing of the video extracts on the News of the World website
If you've ever wanted to find out what the best language for sexy times is, well, the court has considered that too.
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2) Jean Charles de Menezes jumped the tube barrier and ran towards a train before he was killed by police
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This was also complete bullshit, yet spread by many still today: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes
Most likely spread by the Met.
What is your favourite thing that is bullshit that is treated like the truth?
Religion.
Thatcher's economic miracle?
pre-2012 Turner 5-spots had a HA that was too steep...
religion
Where to begin...
Well clearly....
All cyclists are red light jumping, pavement riding, horse terrorising, unlit, ninja attired sociopaths.
Vehicle excise duty is called road tax and pays entirely for roads so if you don't pay road tax you can **** off (even if your road tax is on a car that's parked on the drive and you happen to be easing congestion by riding your bike).
Law abiding driver.
Gideon Osborne knows what he's doing.
Tapered steerers.
Neuro linguistic programming.. You'd be surprised just what people will believe if fed the same information from as little as three or more seemingly seperate mediums, such as a friend talking, a news article and a Facebook post.. The brain just accepts it as truth on a sub conscious level.
You can have too much fall on foul drainage so that solids get left behind. Utter shit literally!
Religion
End of thread right there.
Neuro linguistic programming.. You'd be surprised just what people will believe if fed the same information from as little as three or more seemingly seperate mediums, such as a friend talking, a news article and a Facebook post.. The brain just accepts it as truth on a sub conscious level.
That's what THEY want you to think. Makes you think, doesn't it?
All cyclists are red light jumping, pavement riding, horse terrorising, unlit, ninja attired sociopaths.
That's just hyperbole.
I'm talking about things which people claim are factually true, get picked up as the consensus, yet which are demonstrably factually false.
religion
I'm not suggesting for one minute that you have to believe it, HOWEVER...
there is a slight difference between an enterprise which thousands of civilisation's brightest philosophers and other thinkers have set their minds to exploring and explicating, and whether or not JCdM jumped a barrier along with other urban legends.
The tories can be trusted with the economy
Mountain bikers [s]wanted[/s] demanded 650B 😈
i before e
Strava is worthless because lots of people cheat
That's what THEY want you to think. Makes you think, doesn't it?
Holy shit, I don't know what to think anymore...
You eat spiders in your sleep.
Don't think you're doing to get the kind of answers you were looking for Konabunny.
Are your examples just what we might call urban myth?
Holy shit, I don't know what to think anymore...
I will tell you what to think. While you sleep.
EDIT: Nah, best not.
Donald Trump is some kind of business genius - people often quite his "if it appreciates buy it, if it depreciates lease it" mantra, but it's nonsense as a one-size-fits-all rule.
Truth is he's a serial bankrupt who'd be much richer today if he simply took the fortune he inherited from his father and but it in a bank with an interest rate above inflation.
[quote=poah ]i before e
That "rule" is so counterfeit, and there's not even any science to the "except after c" modifier.
Are your examples just what we might call urban myth?
No, urban myths are archetypes and morality plays about fictional people presented as fact. My examples are deliberate lies that gained current through repetition and almost became true.
Holy shit, I don't know what to think anymore...
I will tell you what to think. While you sleep.
I'm a heavy sleeper, you'll have to shout. 😀
Where to start? Just about anything from Conservative Central Office e.g.
Labour / Gordon Brown caused the last global slump by over spending.
All benefit claimants are ****less scum
All disabled people are also ****less scum
Starving the poor is good for them
Benefit sanctions work
Prison works
All Muslims are terrorists
Jeremy Corbyn is a threat to national security.
The lightest bike is the best bike.
Lance was clean
Quite a few things about the Hillsborough disaster.
a windscreen will shatter if you use slightly warm water to defrost them,....
JC is overrated as the new messiah as everyone claims him to be. 😆
I want wine! Why you ... good wine. Free wine!
See ... told you he cannot make good wine.
No wine? No vote.
Now ... where are all the tonnes of fish he promised ...
footflaps - MemberJeremy Corbyn is a threat to national security.
Specifically for Corbyn- Jeremy Corbyn is friends with terrorists, and Jeremy Corbyn things it's a tragedy that Osama Bin Laden is dead. The best lies have just a little bit of truth in them.
Christmas. Every ****in year.
The Labour Party actually gives a shit about people.
Putting a teaspoon in the top of an open champagne/preseco/fizzy wine bottle keeps the fizz in.
Fairy liquid corrodes yer bike
Tubeless is a faff
Enduro ain't proper racing, it's just riding with mates
The premier league is the best in the world.....
The bloke out of Red Dwarf who was on Robot Wars was convicted of rape.
He wasn't.
When he came up in conversation a week or so back everyone on our table thought he had been until we googled.
I fitted his sky many years ago. I pooped in his bog 🙂
Oasis were one of the greatest bands ever.
Coldplay should come out of retirement
That Aldi and Lidl are owned by brothers who fell out and started competing supermarkets. I call bullshit. It was even a pub quiz question and everyone was given the point for giving that answer. It is so entrenched I even gave that answer just to get the point as I knew there would be no point arguing.
Puma and Adidas on the other hand....
The bloke out of Red Dwarf who was on Robot Wars was convicted of rape.
Indeed acquitted.
On that note,
There was a Westminster peopophile ring based at Dolphin Sq which included the murder of 3 boys
Austerity
That the best response to people who are attacking the West because we've been attacking them is to attack them more.
There was a Westminster peopophile ring based at Dolphin Sq
Still being investigated...
In fact John Mann managed to find files that the Wanless review missed
found this interesting from the [url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/oct/21/jeremy-corbyn-faces-cameron-in-his-third-pmqs-politics-live?CMP=share_btn_tw#block-5627ab80e4b02d2e6557f304 ]Commons Home Affairs Comittee during the Tom Watson 'Witchhunt' hearing[/url]:
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Not to mention the Panorama programme failing to mention Harvey Proctor's past...
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'He liked rough trade, the rougher the better...'
Rickmeister is wrong - and refuted himself with his own link. brilliant.
That David Mellor had sex in his office while wearing a Chelsea football strip. It's pretty much all that he's known for and it never happened!!
NiMH cells remember how much they've been discharged
@jive the whole sorry story has been proven to be a fake. Harvey Procror's gay and used male prostitutes, that's not a crime nor indeed news.
NiMH cells remember how much they've been discharged
Sort of.
When nickel-metal-hydride was introduced in the early 1990s, this chemistry was promoted as being memory-free but this claim is only partially true. NiMH is also subject to memory but to a lesser degree than NiCd. While NiMH has only the nickel plate to worry about, NiCd also includes the memory-prone cadmium negative electrode.-- http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/memory_myth_or_fact
That the political opinions of STW Big Hitters are a fair reflection of the thoughts of the the average 'man on the street' in the UK.
jivehoneyjive - Member
There was a Westminster peopophile [sic] ring based at Dolphin Sq
Still being investigated...
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Hard work creates success.
When the brothers split the company in 1960 over a dispute whether they should sell cigarettes,[11] they owned 300 shops with a cash flow of DM90 million yearly. In 1962, they introduced the name Aldi—short for Albrecht-Diskont. Aldi Nord and Aldi Süd have been financially and legally separate since 1966, although both divisions' names may appear (as if they were a single enterprise) with certain house brands or when negotiating with contractor companiesA-ha, the brothers fell out and created Aldi and Aldi....
Like lots of these. Some of them mantras.
Apple - it just works.
Trickle down.
The whole debt/deficit election spin.
A Skoda is a VW these days. (I own a Skoda.)
German engineering... (Hmm a lot of these products are built in El cheapo countries and are not what they were.)
Controversially - that Terrorism is actually a massive threat to your day to day life. (When considering the stats of things that are likely to kill you, heart disease, cancer and road accidents. Terrorism on western soil statistically doesn't compare.)
Most likely spread by the Met
That sounds like repeated bullshit to me.
Two bike related ones I've heard countless times.
Steel is real
Campag wears in, Shimano wears out
One was a 27-year-old plumber on his way to a job by Tube; the other, a 47-year-old newspaper vendor walking home from work. Two Londoners, both living peacefully within the law one moment; the next, after sudden encounters with the police, both dead.On the face of it, the parallels between the cases of Jean Charles de Menezes and Ian Tomlinson are limited. The Brazilian – wrongly suspected of being a potential suicide bomber – was pursued into Stockwell Tube station and shot repeatedly in the head. Tomlinson, as the video footage showed, was ambling through the City when he was shoved to the ground by one of a cluster of baton-wielding officers on a day of wider protests in London.
But it isn’t only the innocence of the victims that links the incidents of 22 July 2005 and 1 April 2009: the more telling connection is in the all-too-familiar concealment. Twenty years on from the extensive police cover-up after the Hillsborough disaster, in which 96 Liverpool fans died, the force is still able to hide its actions.
On both occasions, the Metropolitan Police immediately put out a false version of events.
In the case of de Menezes, the police briefed for a full 24 hours that the victim was an Islamist terrorist – “Suicide bomber shot on Tube” was the Sky News strapline – and only eventually conceded that he was innocent. Andy Hayman, then the Met’s head of counterterrorism and intelligence, was later shown to have concealed his doubts about de Menezes’s guilt from the Met commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, during the hours and days after the shooting. Since then, details have emerged of how the police deleted and selectively presented CCTV footage and photographs of de Menezes. Furthermore, it was said that he had been running; that he had jumped the Tube barriers; that he had been wearing a bulky coat; and that he had been challenged verbally by police. In fact, CCTV footage finally released in July 2007 shows a lightly dressed de Menezes calmly picking up a morning newspaper and strolling through the station barriers on to the escalator.
Similarly, on the day that Tomlinson died of a heart attack the Met issued a wholly misleading statement. A member of the public, it said, told police that “there was a man who had collapsed round the corner”. Officers, it was claimed, had tried to help medics save his life as “missiles, believed to be bottles”, were hurled at them.
The reality, again revealed in video, shows Tomlinson walking with his hands in his pockets, offering neither resistance nor threat to the police line behind him. Next, he is struck around the legs by a baton-wielding Territorial Support Group officer who then shoves Tomlinson to the ground. After “bouncing” – a witness’s word – on the ground, a terrified Tomlinson can be seen looking up in disbelief at the officers, who stand back, leaving the public to tend to him.
http://www.newstatesman.com/law-and-reform/2009/04/police-tomlinson-menezes
Economics
Konabunny - I dare say they've probably stopped saying that now, especially in relation to jpdm. You've repeated it though.
"Its made in the same factory as.... McVitites/Kellogg's/Maxxis/Santa Cruz"
When referring to discount brands in the supermarket and certain bike parts.
I have no idea if its true or not... but it's sounds like something which is often repeated without much evidence if its bulls#!t or not.
That the baseball 'World Series' isn't just yanks puffing them selves up, but was named after the newspaper sponsoring it.
http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp
Pook - I imagine the metropolitan police have by now abandoned their initial lies but they don't need to repeat them much once they've already become common currency eg http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/shooting-in-paris-casualties-reported-hope-this-isnt-what-it-sounds-like/page/12#post-7316425 (the poster in that case being an entirely reasonable person and this is no criticism of him/her).
The David Mellor thing is a great example - and another News International myth to go along with the Max Mosley, Hillsborough and Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster lies. IIRC the Mellor story was placed by Max Clifford.
[quote=DrJ opined]Economics
THIS
Its a subject studied by right wing folk in order to claim there is a science to their politics
If you want three opinion ask two economists etc
The media has a right wing bias.
Bacon sandwich, 2nd of the week, this bodes well for the rest of the week.
Welshfarmer... It's true... They split over ciggies
No it's not. 🙄
That David Mellor had sex in his office while wearing a Chelsea football strip. It's pretty much all that he's known for and it never happened!!
Max Clifford should have been strung up for planting that vision in the nations collective consciousness!
I'd also vote for any reports in the Murdoch press about the behaviour of protestors/people on strike/poor people. The last one was the London protests when the headlines were about them [url= https://twitter.com/thesun/status/662756315048079360 ]deliberately injuring police horses[/url]. I always view it through the prism of this...
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... because nowt has really changed.
Oh... and 'Trickle Down' economics
Yeah, right....
STW is not a biking forum, it's a place for middle age men to gather who are not only world class economists, but also experts on middle east policy, and they taught Sebastian Loeb how to drive in the snow.
Er, hang on...
Rickmeister said
Welshfarmer... It's true... They split over ciggies
🙂 🙂
I rest my case. The Albrecht brothers did split but formed Aldi North and Aldi South.
Lidl is a completely different firm formed by the Schwarz family several years before Aldi came about.
All the Aldi stores in the UK are run by Aldi South
There was a Westminster peopophile ring based at Dolphin Sq which included the murder of 3 boys
Hook baited and thrown into barrel.
Still being investigated...
In fact John Mann managed to find files that the Wanless review missed
found this interesting from the Commons Home Affairs Comittee during the Tom Watson 'Witchhunt' hearing:Not to mention the Panorama programme failing to mention Harvey Proctor's past...
'He liked rough trade, the rougher the better...'
Same old fish, but at least it's a bite 🙂
And in fact proves the concept of the thread quite well.
STW is not a biking forum, it's a place for middle age men to gather who are not only world class economists but also experts on middle east policy, and they taught Sebastian Loeb how to drive in the snow.
Excellent. I thought you where talking about me but then again no as it was Stig Blomqvist 😀
The rich don't pay "their taxes" ... top 1% pay 27% of the personal taxes collected
Oh... and 'Trickle Down' economicsYeah, right....
Well if you are earning, say, £30k pa you are taking out more in services (NHS, infrastructure, pension) than you are putting in.
@jive the police said there is "not a shred of evidence", I imagine they may well not have formally closed the investigation but that's a technicality
Well if you are earning, say, £30k pa you are taking out more in services (NHS, infrastructure, pension) than you are putting in
Does that take into account all VAT that a low earner likely spends as a proportion of income?
Winter Tyres needed on EVERYONE's cars in the UK...
[quote=richmars opined]The media has a right wing bias.
What bias do you think it has then?
I agree with that point in general but the written media[ newsprint] is clearly, and in fact openly, right wing
Does that take into account all VAT that a low earner likely spends as a proportion of income?
Absolutely yes. In fact there's another myth
The poor pay more in VAT as a proportion of their income
There is no VAT on food, rent and reduced rates on energy. The campaign groups that spout this nonsense twist the calculation to exclude food, rent etc and just look at additional discretionary spending. I've been enough of an anorak to do my own calculations and the less well off par far less VAT as a proportion than the majority, you have to get to the very wealthy who are saving a lot of money each year before the myth is true.
As I haves posted numerous times there is 5-10% VAT on food in most EU countries even in France which is far to the left of us