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My neighbour across the street is getting some work done.
The builder is barrowing soil and turf round from the back of his house and dumping it directly on the street. No skip, no ground sheet, just a load of soil and dirt right on to the tarmac.
Am I right in thinking this isn't really on?
It's a quiet residential street with no through traffic, only traffic is from the people that live on the street so it's unlikely to be a safety issue. But dumping a load of dirt directly onto the roadway seems like shitty corner cutting to me.
I've no idea if this is something the neighbour agreed to, they don't work from home so the builder is "unsupervised"
I'm guessing it would be classed as fly-tipping. Have a word with your neighbour, as even though he may have agreed to it, he may not realise how serious it could be for him.
Presumably he is going to be moving it to where ever its intended final destination is.
How is this affecting you or going to impact you ?
Ergo why do you care assuming the builder isn't really planning to leave it there ?
Have a wee walk across and take a photo while he is dumping the soil and turf,he will soon let you know what the plan is for getting rid of it. Good luck.
Standard builder practice isn't it!?
As long as it's not there for weeks on end and he clears up after then what's the problem.
Ergo why do you care assuming the builder isn’t really planning to leave it there
I don't really care I'm more curious as to whether this is accepted practice. In my head it seems wrong to be dumping a load of loose material onto a road.
When it rains it will wash a load of mud all over the street. There is also, an admittedly small, chance that a loose bit of rubble could damage someones car, which is why I would have thought a skip would have been a better solution unless the builder was cutting corners.
Standard builder practice isn’t it!?
Maybe 30 years ago, but not today.
Just give the builder a heads up that one if the neighbours is a highways inspector for the local authority. It'll be gone by tea time.
Nothing should be on the public highway without a permit and I can't imagine what grounds there would be for issuing one to allow the dumping of private spoil. That's what skips are for. Wonder where he's planning on it going for its final destination.
Its likely to be in prep for a grab and go wagon. We used to do this quite a lot tbh, BUT it was always stockpiled on the customers driveway or property, whilst awaiting collection, certainly not on the road.
Skips have to have a permit to be on the roads, so I'd guess he's cutting a few corners or hoping no one will notice.
You never know it might be gone later
BUT it was always stockpiled on the customers driveway or property,
The pile of dirt is actually blocking their driveway, but on the road!
Basically it's flytipping, whilst they may intend to tidy up later in the meantime if it rains then then the water will pull lots of crap into the drainage gully.
Relatively minor though as long as they tidy up.
Our neighbour dumped a load of his building materials on shared land opposite my house back in November - unfortunately the council don't want to know. It's still there but overgrown now.
I'd be moaning if it was still there at going home time. But if it's there and being uplifted while the builders on site then I'd not be getting worked up about it.
I'd reckon that some loose dirt if hit by a car would do less damage than a skip which rarely if ever have the lights etc required per the permit.
There'll be a grab lorry along later to collect it all I bet.
If there isnt, and it sits there overnight, thats when I would then start to be concerned/bothered.
Of course there'll be a grab. If not, he has to handball it twice which seems daft. Just because it's going this afternoon, doesn't mean it's okay to dump it there now though.
Or the builder is a reclaim the streets protestor looking to re-turf the nation's highways and herald a return to green & pleasant land-ness. Onza's Highway Inspector suggestion for the win.
I’d suggest there are larger issues in the world than soil outside of someone’s house for what is currently a few hours. Perhaps think about your own reaction to this, maybe time for a spin in the sunshine?
Have a word with your neighbour,
DO NOT have a word with the neighbour, have an anonymous word with the council or the police. Don't let the builder/whomever know who you are and who it is causing them probs.
anonymous word with the council or the police
It'll be long gone before you get hold of someone WGAF
DO NOT have a word with the neighbour, have an anonymous word with the council or the police.
It is possible to discuss concerns with a neighbor without escalation. You don't always have to resort to telling the teacher.
Could you take a shovel out & start shaping it into a tabletop or series of rollers to practice on?
I'd be a bit pissed off if it wasn't moved within a day or so, especially if there's rain forecast.
If it stays there, is he gonna stick cones near it, or flashy yellow lights so people don't drive into it?
I suspect he's waiting for a skip. I've been tempted to pile up earth on the street in similar siutaion, in the end I stored it in fold up bags...
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It's not that different to the builder's merchants dropping of materials on the road, which is pretty normal. When I've had a big load delivered, takes day to shift it all.
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Could you take a shovel out & start shaping it into a tabletop or series of rollers to practice on?
Its already sort of the right shape for a tabletop, I reckon a couple of hours with a shovel would get it riding nicely, there is plenty of rubble mixed in with the soil to give it some stability and a slightly downhill run up.
Can you post an update later on? This is very exciting.
Our neighbour dumped a load of his building materials on shared land opposite my house back in November – unfortunately the council don’t want to know. It’s still there but overgrown now
Escalate that. The council aren't doing their job which could be fine if they cited covid as backing up their cases.
A manicured estate like that surely has a homeowner's association who will be round issuing fines and lots of tutting.
Our neighbour dumped a load of his building materials on shared land opposite my house back in November – unfortunately the council don’t want to know. It’s still there but overgrown now
All depends who owns the land. It's the landowners problem. I bet it's not highways but it could be a different council department. More than likely some defunct holding company involved with the developer at the time.
A manicured estate like that surely has a homeowner’s association who will be round issuing fines and lots of tutting.
It's the East end of Glasgow, more likely to set it on fire.
Quick, out with the hose and turn it into a jump overnight, for a laugh. And don't forget to ride over the lawn a few times. Shame they will know it's you OP.
PS the builder can't dump it in the road though !
You can't call that fly tipping , it's a wee bit different to fridges and stained mattresses
Lots of clipes on here, another good Scottish word
You can’t call that fly tipping , it’s a wee bit different to fridges and stained mattresses
Lots of clipes on here, another good Scottish word
Perhaps I misused the term flytipping, more of a colloquial rather than legal term anyway. I think this is the relevant legislation for matter left on Highway
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Will4/5-6/50/section/LXXIII/enacted
LXXIIIMatters laid on or near Highway, so as to be a Nuisance, to be removed on Notice; or on Failure, Surveyor to dispose of the same by Order of a Justice.
And be it further enacted, That if any Timber, Stone, Hay, Straw, Dung, Manure, Lime, Soil, Ashes, Rubbish, or other Matter or Thing whatsoever shall be laid upon any Highway so as to be a Nuisance, and shall not, after Notice given by the Surveyor, Assistant Surveyor, or District Surveyor, be forthwith removed, it shall and may be lawful for the Surveyor, Assistant Surveyor, or District Surveyor, by Order in Writing from any One Justice, to clear the said Highway by removing the said Stone, Hay, Straw, Dung, Manure, Soil, Ashes, Rubbish, or other Matter or Thing as aforesaid, and to dispose of the same, and to apply the Proceeds arising therefrom towards the Repairs of the Highway within the Parish in which such Highway may be situate: Provided nevertheless, that if any Soil, Ashes, or Rubbish shall be laid on any Highway, and such Soil, Ashes, or Rubbish shall not be of sufficient Value to defray the Expence of removing them, the Person who laid or deposited such Soil, Ashes, or Rubbish shall repay to the said Surveyor, Assistant Surveyor, or District Surveyor the Money which he shall have necessarily expended for the Removal thereof, which Money, in case the same shall not be forthwith repaid, shall be levied as Forfeitures are herein directed to be levied.
Written in a time where the value of something like Dung may have exceeded the cost of removing it.
is it still there ?
Twisty that bit of legislation is a wee bit like adultery or parking on a pavement would it go to court ? It would keep courts busy as there are loads of cars on pavements and I would imagine plenty of extra marital sex going on
Neighbour doesn't want the grabber ruining the drive so is having it dumped on the road, can't really tell for sure but it doesn't look like its causing an issue on a busy road, I would probably do the same.
Damn,no update.
Come on OP,we need to know if it all went a bit ..
It looks very much the said builder has been around the edge and swept it into a neat pile.
Not really the MO of a master criminal fly tipper-er.
^^^^ It wasn't far off that picture once the builder was finished dumping more stuff today.
But a flat bed with a grabber has just turned up so it looks like it will all be gone shortly.
keep twitching them curtains, just to be sure.
Get over it. Jesus.
Can I assume that all those posting 'get over it' comments would be perfectly happy if it were outside their own houses? If so can they PM me their addresses please, I've got a ton of stuff to get rid of. Ta.
Can I assume that all those posting ‘get over it’ comments would be perfectly happy if it were outside their own houses? If so can they PM me their addresses please, I’ve got a ton of stuff to get rid of. Ta.
(-)1 for comprehension of the issue at hand.
Cougar, a ton of earth really does not go very far, fill many potholes, or make a very big pile.
I suggest going in with at least twenty tons.
Can you post an update later on? This is very exciting.
Personally, I'm finding it impossible to concentrate on keeping an eye on the freshly applied paint I have drying.
(-)1 for comprehension of the issue at hand.
I comprehend the issue perfectly.
The OP asks whether others think this is an acceptable practice and certain corners of the userbase have reacted as if he's just called 999 because KFC ran out of chicken nuggets.
A meringue?
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Can I assume that all those posting ‘get over it’ comments would be perfectly happy if it were outside their own houses? If so can they PM me their addresses please, I’ve got a ton of stuff to get rid of. Ta.
Well, I'd probably speak to the neighbor or the builder before jumping to the conclusions or posting on here. What you suggest doing is completely different to what the builder is doing, I hoe you can see the difference.
I don't think that the way the builder has gone about the job in a very good way, but I bet it was done like that because the neighbor didn't want the soil on their driveway. Speaking to them would be a good way to find out though.
I comprehend the issue perfectly.
The OP asks whether others think this is an acceptable practice and certain corners of the userbase have reacted as if he’s just called 999 because KFC ran out of chicken nuggets.
The situation is rather different from your hypothetical offer to dump stuff at users addresses. This would be more like leaving your car outside over night.
It's not dumping it's temporary placement.
The situation is rather different from your hypothetical offer to dump stuff at users addresses.
But I might be picking it up again in a couple of days.
This would be more like leaving your car outside over night.
When you park up your car for the night, does it leave a large patch of filth behind or run the risk of damage to the tarmac?
It’s not dumping it’s temporary placement.
But absolutely no-one on this thread knew for sure whether it was a "temporary placement" or not until the grabber turned up. The conclusion-jumping was equally invalid as which side of the discussion happened to be doing it.
run the risk of damage to the tarmac?
Arguably....probably a higher chance of my car doing that than the earth.
Its significantly /nee certainly that it was going to be removed. You don't tend to pay to have dirt dumped Infront of your house for eternity.
probably a higher chance of my car doing that than the earth.
I didn't mean the soil, I meant the collection process.
Worse when you have someone living nearby with a severe oil leak dripping from their old Fiesta or farmers they chuck loads on the road with a pityful mud on road splattered sign if your lucky
It was just resting on the road!
I think he's making a mountain out of a molehill.
Tbh I think you're all making a mountain out of a molehill.
Edit: beaten to the punch by @maurice, gosh darn it
Some size of mole.
Anyway a second pile of dirt has replaced the first one.
Presumably it will be lifted tomorrow. I might ask the grabber guy for a shot it looked like fun.
I still think dumping a load of loose material directly on a road is a bit half-arsed but I won't lose any sleep over it.
its a very specif and limited pile of dirt, and merely a fallback.
Where are the drains in the road? They tend not to works as well if you block them with loose soil.
Should be on the driveway not in the highway.
Don’t want to damage the drive, two sheets of ply 4x8 cost about £20. Partial roll of visqueen underneath, turn the edges up if it looks like rain.
Would mean the grabber could pull up at the kerb and not block the road off then too.
It’s going to leave a load of soil behind in the road which then needs sweeping up properly or as said you’ll end up with trails of mud.
When you park up your car for the night, does it leave a large patch of filth behind or run the risk of damage to the tarmac?
He drives a Land Rover so....
...probably?
In the context of the question though, in what way would soil and turf damage the tarmac or leave a large patch of filth (that can't just be swept up)? I've probably seen more tarmac damage via oil ingress (which doesn't just clean up) than a bit of dirt.
In the context of the question though, in what way would soil and turf damage the tarmac
It won't. But again, "I didn’t mean the soil, I meant the collection process." Is this 'grabber' capable of lifting 100% of loose soil dumped directly onto Tarmac with zero risk of damage to said Tarmac?
or leave a large patch of filth (that can’t just be swept up)?
Are they sweeping it up?
Overall, as long as the neighbour isn't a nightmare for other reasons I'd not be too concerned myself op.
Ironic post / username juxtaposition of the day award... (-:
Are they sweeping it up?
I'd assume they want paid. You don't tend to pay folk who have done half a job unless you are a mug.
two sheets of ply 4×8 cost about £20.
That's a brilliant price where are you getting full sheets of ply for that price?