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I guess she is at least entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship through her parent(s) or grandparent(s) even if she doesn't have a passport?
(Just spitballing - I have no idea whether her parents or grandparents were born here or not...)
She should be **** shot.
You want our state to execute her, thus making her a martyr. What a brilliant idea.
Like I said - we've become a nasty country.
She should be **** shot.
As I said earlier, I'm sure ISIS would just love a good martyr. They'd dine out on that for years, a shining example of how we treat "them."
Well Sajid has done his leadership credentials no harm.
He appears to have made a lot of ****s happy too.
The court case that we will lose will make it inevitable that we take her back. Home sec has really shot himself in the foot the silly arse.
As I said earlier, I’m sure ISIS would just love a good martyr.
If we can't summarily execute people we disagree with, then how are we going to defend our way of life?
edhornby
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The court case that we will lose will make it inevitable that we take her back. Home sec has really shot himself in the foot the silly arse.
He hasn't really, time that is settled, this story will be buried. Clearly just looking for a bit of "good" publicity in the shit show that is this gov.
From the article
She said that seeing her first "severed head" in a bin "didn't faze me at all
It was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam.
Aren't we an "enemy of Islam"? Good grief, keep her out!
She should be **** shot. It’s the only thing terrorists like her seem to understand, plus she’ll be happy cos she’ll go to paradise.
If you want to inhabit the same moral cess pit as ISIS why dont you pop over to Syria.
I have no time for people that ride roughshod over the right to a fair trial and the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
So she has Bangladeshi citizenship through grandparents, however we are told she has never had a passport or been there. I am sure Bangladesh will be happy.
He hasn’t really, time that is settled, this story will be buried
Not a chance! If there is a case, the government will lose and it will be even bigger news.
Due process should apply, with her innocent until found guilty in a court of law. Also we should keeper friends close and our enemies closer.
right to a fair trial and the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
guilty until proven innocent was a lot of the EU until only a couple of years ago...
innocent until found guilty in a court of law
A waste of taxpayer's money, as would looking after her and her kid if she returned. It could be far better spent on someone else.
So she has Bangladeshi citizenship through grandparents, however we are told she has never had a passport or been there. I am sure Bangladesh will be happy.
If she's never applied for that, she doesn't have dual citizenship. Same as I can be Irish. I need to apply first if i want it though. It's not default.
Aren’t we an “enemy of Islam”? Good grief, keep her out!
funny how we are suppossed to be tolerant of people with strongly held beliefs in the principles of Islam yet we throw our toys out of the pram if somebody accidently refers to people with a funny tinge skin color.
This girl made a classic mistake,marrying down instead of up.If only she'd married a Saudi prince she could have enjoyed all the benefits of Sharia law,suppression of all other religions and butchering of dissenters with beheadings and all and still have indulged in bombing innocent Muslims abroad whose view she didn't agree with.But this time with better,more accurate ,more deadly UK/US bombs dropped from state of the art US/UK built jets.She would have been feted by the UK and US government too and probs could have met the Queen.
If she has provided support for ISIS in Syria then why isn't she handed over to and dealt with by the Syrian authorities ?
innocent until found guilty in a court of law
A waste of taxpayer’s money, as would looking after her and her kid if she returned. It could be far better spent on someone else.
What a ridiculous thing to say. Whether you like it or not we should and must find money for the concept of innocent until proven guilty. At this time she is not guilty of any crime.
People seem keen on a return to the dark ages in this country.
It could be far better spent on someone else.
It should, like the refugees the people she supported and believed in help create, or are now using as a human shield.
If she comes back she should be permanently tagged - with modern technology why can't they use something like an iphone app that she has to use facial recognition to get into at very regular intervals, then her whereabouts can be tracked easily I would have thought.
funny how we are suppossed to be tolerant of people with strongly held beliefs in the principles of Islam yet we throw our toys out of the pram if somebody accidently refers to people with a funny tinge skin color.
cognitive dissonance, the philosophy of The Left.
forked
Member
innocent until found guilty in a court of lawA waste of taxpayer’s money, as would looking after her and her kid if she returned. It could be far better spent on someone else.
I'm afraid we're dealing with f'ing morons here.
What a ridiculous thing to say. Whether you like it or not we should and must find money for the concept of innocent until proven guilty. At this time she is not guilty of any crime.
People seem keen on a return to the dark ages in this country.
We're already living in the ****ing dark ages when homeless people are dying on our streets. Yet we're wanting to spend a load of money on some daft bint islamist who left the country to join ISIS.
" At this time she is not guilty of any crime "
True, but does it need a court , trial, judge , jury etc to prove that she left the UK to fight for / with ISIS . Which at the time was stated as illegal by the UK Gov ?
yip, complete bams.
but does it need a court
I'm afraid it does. I realise, as is shown by the hard of thinking on this thread, this kind of concept is hard to grasp, but yeah, it kinda does.
I’m afraid we’re dealing with f’ing morons here.
I'll have you know that my parents and grandparents fought in two world wars to let f'ing morons have their say!! They'd be so proud of what they fought for: the rule of law, the right to a fair trial, no summary executions., the right of f'ing morons to post shit and show themselves up on internet forums.
Sigh, sometimes this is the cross we bear for being tolerant and having a fairly decent legal system. Whatever happens, it'll be a shitshow, she'll be a drain on the taxpayer one way or another.
We'll just have to wait until her beliefs rear their head again, but no doubt she will get herself involved with her chosen brothers on her return. She is after all a 'silly' girl.
Ah well, jail is still cheaper than a JDAM.
scotroutes
Member
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True, but does it need a court , trial, judge , jury etc to prove that she left the UK to fight for / with ISIS . Which at the time was stated as illegal by the UK Gov ?
Yes it does need a trial. A judge or jury of peers that are presented with all the facts and evidence should determine her level of culpability and a court decide a suitable sentence if guilty.
There could be a vast array of mitigating circumstances, but people are judging based on limited interviews with a journalist and what Katie Hopkins tells them to think.
Well said scotroutes.
I’ll have you know that my parents and grandparents fought in two world wars to let f’ing morons have their say!! They’d be so proud of what they fought for: the rule of law, the right to a fair trial, no summary executions., the right of f’ing morons to post shit and show themselves up on internet forums.
It's nice to see their progeny executing that right with such aplomb
I'd have happily seen her back in the country facing trial, but not going to shed any tears over this result. She broke the law and threw her hat in with the scum of humanity that would, given the chance, kill every poster on this thread, and their families.
As for this..
I’ve seen a mess of a girl who jumped off a cliff when she was too young and naive to understand what she was doing.
On the other hand when I look at Sajid Javid I see an nasty evil little man who will sacrifice whoever it takes if it advances his career by a millimetre. If someone had to be banished from the country, why can’t it be him?
Youd rather have members of IS in the country than members of the Tory party? I'm no fan of his, but coming out with that just highlights you as a idiot.
not quite dual citizenship though ?
Whitehall sources said it was possible to strip the 19-year-old of British nationality as she was eligible for citizenship of another country.
You'd rather have members of IS in the country than members of the Tory party?
Yes, at least the ISIS types are honest enough to admit publicly they despise us.
My god, there are some thick f🙄ckers riding bicycles these days...
under the age of consent when she left so I we have a responsibility, even if she was older Id like to think that no one cant be saved
what I want to know is why Yaxley-Lennon Tommy R isnt taking up her cause as a victim of a muslim grooing gang?
she may well believe the crap she's spouting in these interviews but it would also be prudent in her position, living in a refugee camp with an unknown number of ISIS zealots, to be somewhat complementary about them.
Bloody foreigners committing crimes in their chosen destination. Send 'em back to where they came from.
Bloody foreigners committing crimes in their chosen destination. Send ’em back to where they came from.
Exactly. How quickly would Katie Hopkins, Yaxley Lennon and their sheeple be demanding foreigners be kicked out of the UK if the shoe was on the other foot?
But doesn't she admit to being guilty ? and enjoying her time in Syria?
Also , Is she not a war criminal for joining the enemy of the state and fightin for them ?
Then its a sentancing job rather than innocent unil proven guilty , although even if you plead guilty you still have to go through the motions for senatancing/ leaniancy I guess
This is all moot point though as she inst coming back anytime soon
But doesn’t she admit to being guilty ?
Of what? She hasn't been charged with anything yet? Who has she pleaded guilty to? The uneducated tabloid reading masses? Who was her legal representative? I am no Ironside but do people in this country really have such a limited knowledge of our own legal procedures.
If it quacks like a duck.....
If it types like a dullard...
Youd rather have members of IS in the country than members of the Tory party? I’m no fan of his, but coming out with that just highlights you as a idiot.
Such is my idiocy that I suspect that she is capable of being rehabilitated and living a useful life. For Javid there is no such hope I’m afraid.
I tried to keep out of this thread, but some of the comments and insults at each other made me want to speak up.
Its an incredibly emotive subject, people will have been personally affected by ISIS. I'm an ex soldier (left before the Afghan tours started), I know people who didn't return from their tours and people who have lost limbs. One of my close friends watched as troops under his command stood on a land mine. He suffers very bad PTSD and depression. I could go on. We have seen some horrific killings in this country, whether that is bombings, stabbings or car ram raids. Other western countries have had a similar experience if not worse than the UK.
While this young girl as an individual is not solely responsible, she supports those activities. She left her country to go to a war zone to support a religious / militant organisation that has declared war against this country. In my view she is an Idealist Jihadist, her way of supporting this ideology (the war to make Gods War the only Law on Earth) was to travel to the Levant or caliphate and to support the soldiers she see's as fighting for her ideology.
The question about whether she should be allowed back to this country? The one she has left, the one that she knowingly went to a military organisation at war with our country? Yes, she should be allowed back. She should face trial, but that wouldn't happen. We are to weak a country to deal with it, we will kick up a fuss, say she is not going to be allowed back in, then lawyers will get involved and she will return. She will get a free house, free health service and free education (paid for by the people she has declared war on - and I know people will say she hasn't declared war - she joined the organisation who had)
My inside says NOT A CHANCE, she shouldn't be allowed back. She should rot in the hole she has dug for herself. But, that really is just a case of us resorting to the most base level and we should be better than that.
(I do know ISIS are a relatively new organisation and not the same as Al-Qaeda or the Taliban even if there are links or similarities, I imagine the British public will just be thinking that we (the West) have been targeted by Islamic Fundamentalists for close to two decades)
I just feel sorry for the baby to be honest. I mean, I was a ****ing idiot in my teens, but she’s definitely on another level. Poor kid doesn’t stand a chance. Still the silly girl that ran off at fifteen.
the Special Snowflake award goes to…..Ewaaaan!She should be **** shot. It’s the only thing terrorists like her seem to understand, plus she’ll be happy cos she’ll go to paradise.
I guess you'd be the one to pull the trigger? What about her new born baby? Would you shoot it as well?
Frankly if being the opposite of you makes me a snowflake, I'll wear that tag with pride.
I have no sympathy for her.
BUT she has been stripped of her citizenship with no judicial process, and that stinks.
Then there is the child, which is also British. It has effectively been sentenced too.
It's a lose lose situation.
We can chin of our rule of law, well that's a shitty path to start on and what stops that rule being applied to anyone that UK Gov deems a nuisance.
Or we take her back and have a punt at trial, she may go down, she may not.
Either way she becomes a risk and q burden the child is at risk of being indoctrinated as well, leaving social care, schools, police, MI5 to be up her chuff until such a time as someone makes a poor judgement and says shes 'safe' and then she goes bang or assists some nutters doing something nutty.
Or she rehabilitates and becomes a productive member of society.
Who knows?
I am no Ironside but do people in this country really have such a limited knowledge of our own legal procedures.
I am confused, was Ironside not an American detective? Why would he have expert knowledge of UK law?
Nicely done Sir.
The death of metaphor in the binary male world of STW.
That died a long time ago, along with many other things. Ah well, we can rebuild.
The death of metaphor in the binary male world of STW.
I still don’t understand and I even checked what a metaphor was. Why not choose say Rumpole? Otherwise one might as well have said “I’m no Chandler Bing...” Anyway, I guess it doesn’t matter too much, but with so many people being accused of being idiots I think it wouldn’t hurt if people were clearer in what they meant - it would certainly help me.
I am confused, was Ironside not an American detective? Why would he have expert knowledge of UK law?
Yeah well spotted and well done, it's really driven a stake through my reasoning.
Mmm, steak.
Anyhoo, as she is (was) a British citizen, does she qualify for the Op Shader medal? Asking for a friend.
You chose an AMERICAN!
That's it! Your argument is DEAD!
And here's another ! just for shitz'n'giggles!*
*And another one.
You chose an AMERICAN!
That’s it! Your argument is DEAD!
And here’s another ! just for shitz’n’giggles!*
*And another one.
I am gutted deadly. People dont realise that if he was a real person rather that a fictitious 70's TV character used for effect, that he would as an American be familiar with the concept of innocent until proven guilty and also the right to a fair trial by a jury of peers.
You haven't just let me and the forum down...
Well, look, you know how the rest goes...
My inside says NOT A CHANCE, she shouldn’t be allowed back. She should rot in the hole she has dug for herself. But, that really is just a case of us resorting to the most base level and we should be better than that.
And that is how I suspect most people feel. We are the better society with the rule of law.
Id go with cuck over snowflake tbf..
Dont really like snowflake.. id get myself called that i imagine with having a pretty far left stance on most things.
Virtue signalling cucks. Thats more apt.
I prefer the term soyboy beta cucks.
Isn't that a milk/coffee option in Starbucks?
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After WW2 Nazi defectors were hung for treason. Since then the law has been changed but apparently consideration is being given to update for this sort of situation.
The prospect of a life sentence seems like a suitable deterrent for returning (and leaving) jihadists. Although I don't understand why returners would not prefer to live in another country with Sharia law. Perhaps someone could explain that one?
mooman
Member
She not be taking her case to the ECJ … I guess thats another benefit of Brexit
In a thread with so much bigotry & ignorance this one at least made me chuckle
Self edited to avoid stoking trouble 🙂
This thread just shows that a lot of people have no comprehension on grooming, radicalization etc,. She was groomed at 15, the police were aware, the school was aware but nobody told the parents and first they knew was when she had left. She then married a 30 year old man within days of arriving in Syria. She then endured Syria and the horrors of it for 4 years.
Yet people are repeatedly saying things like "She doesn't seem sorry about it", "she still supports ISIS" That is because nothings has changed in her head since the things that happened at 15. In fact, it would have just got worse.
Law, home office etc,. should be objective and non emotional but this case is really proving that is not how it works.
Just like to point out I'm chuckling at moomans ignorance there ^^^^. Not what he was trying to say !
The apple falls next to the apple tree
I may well be wrong but was she not tracked down by a reporter in a camp with nearly 300,000 refugees in and then asked to give an interview? I’m not sure she ever planned to come forward with the plea to come home.
Quite surprised that this story broke days ago and she is still in the refugee camp, thought some idiot charity would have tried bringing her back by now, but thankfully none have. I think her chances of getting back here with or without her citizenship are slim...
15 year old girl is brain washed
Police, School and Local Authority know she is being brain washed - none of them tell her parents who demand to know why because if they knew they would have taken her passport away - as she is 15 and they are her Parents.
15 year old brain washed girl travels to another country and within 3 days is forced into an arranged marriage to a man twice her age.
Between the age of 15 and 19 the teenage girl has 3 children - 2 of her children die.
within 1/2 days of giving birth the 19 year old girl is found in a refuge camp on her own with a baby due or might have just been born. A "hero" journalist then fires questions to the girl demanding answers.
this girl is homeless, alone, lost 2 babies, brain washed, gave birth 1/2 days ago. Then the UK Government decides to make her state less.
That about sums it up.
For those still wondering why she stuck around so long perhaps go back and read the story about the 17yo Austrian girl who left for Syria, was used as a "prize" for new recruits (yes, that means raped, repeatedly) and then when she tried to escape was beaten to death with hammers. Just think about that for a moment and then consider what that would do to the mind.
I read about the Austrian girl. Grim reading.
You know that Garden bridge that cost millions? Now it's been cancelled they can divert the funds into footing the bill for the legal case for this one!
Probably be cheaper to buy her a street in Mayfair.
If she was kidnapped and made an ISIS bride nobody would see an issue with her being brought back home to the UK. Just because she wasn't physically kidnapped it doesn't mean she went of her own free will.
This really isn't much different to the white, non-muslim, girls involved target by the Asian gangs.
Indeed 15 year old girl groomed & trafficked by a Muslim gang
As I said earlier, wheres Tommy Robinson at? defending girls like her is his life's work !
Just because she wasn’t physically kidnapped it doesn’t mean she went of her own free will.
She will have been one of the least brainwashed people in ISIS and she *did* go of her own free will. When she went the beheadings of innocents had been going on for a year and were all over the media. Maybe someone else was giving her an alternative version but she will certainly have seen the mainstream version of events, you couldn't avoid it at the time. Local ISIS recruits often didn't have the benefit of the Western Media to contradict whatever ISIS were telling them. Foreign ISIS volunteers are/were by far the the least brainwashed people in ISIS.
read the story about the 17yo Austrian girl who left for Syria, was used as a “prize” for new recruits (yes, that means raped, repeatedly) and then when she tried to escape was beaten to death with hammers.
Yep, ISIS were/are unspeakably evil and the UK should avoid importing their people where legally and morally possible. [2]
[1] Although specific details of this 'grooming' are non-existent.
[2] As discussed earlier in the thread, it probably isn't in this case.
She will have been one of the least brainwashed people in ISIS and she *did* go of her own free will. When she went the beheadings of innocents had been going on for a year and were all over the media.
Or one of the most brainwashed people there given she went despite the media coverage on the reality of the situation
Maybe someone else was giving her an alternative version but she will certainly have seen the mainstream version of events,
It's really quite possible she didn't read the sun you know!
Your view is simply old fashioned & out of step with the modern world, it's very easy, if not the norm, now to get all your news from social media & also very easy to put yourself in an echo chamber.
Javid knows that a child bride groomed at 15 & her 2 day old baby aren't a threat to national security.
Javid also knows that there's a leadership battle coming soon & he has to try extra hard to keep the gammony membership happy if he wants a shot at power, on account of them already being wary of him for obvious gammony reasons.
Javid will happily fk over this girl & her baby if it increases his likelihood of becoming PM