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Reeves is saying she wants less barriers to trade. Nothing can be done untill we actually implement the withdrawal agreement.
https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-brexit-voter-accept-free-movement-eu-single-market-access/
took all of 15 seconds to find this poll that was widely reported and discussed, so I really wonder about those attempting to engage in this discussion who professed ignorance of it.
Even a majority of brexit voters would now accept sm and cu
Well, that's a shame, as those things are gone, and aren't coming back again. We* voted to leave @tjagain, Which bit of the democratic process are you struggling with? Or does it only count when it's democracy that you approve of? There may very well be a majority who want back in, they probably should've thought harder about what they voted for. Sure Starmer could work harder for closer ties, but the real politik is that he'd be writing both Farage's and Badenoch's campaign for them, and they'd have a 4 year head start on scaring the beejesus out of a group of folks who were stupid enough to vote for it the first time around, and that's without the [reasonably accurate] criticism of "elites ignoring the will of the people" that you could throw at Labour.
We might go back in at a point if it's the settled manifesto of both political parties that has overwhelming support, and Farage's party (or legacy) has been thrown out by the public and no sooner, that's probably a decade away at best. It's not in Starmer's gift to do anything but words, because: Reform UK.
* not them or those people, us. That's how it works.
In 1856 the people voted for the Whigs. How dare you suggest that we ever have any more votes on anything ever? What bit of “democracy “ don’t you understand?
Its the only explanation i can see for all tbe folk on here who believe that Starmer is 1 doing his best to reconcile with europe and 2 that starmer is telling the truth about europe.
Starmer is doing his best to reconcile with Europe whilst operating within the narrow range defined by "don't stir up the bigotry again". Hence he lies.
As I've said many times before, Brexit is so stupid and the vote exposed undercurrents that mainstream politicians were stunned by, and don't know how to cope with.
The whole thing was/is a reality-bending **** up. Starmer's credibility is merely the latest casualty. A former QC and DPP feeling forced to tell ridiculous lies.
And there are no benefits for us.
How dare you suggest that we ever have any more votes on anything ever?
Although, I doubt many politicians right now are thinking that referendum are the way forward for resolving matters of national importance. Especially given that in reality, the person who'll decide whether we rejoin the EU or not probably doesn't want to end his career in politics just at the point where he's finally got where he wants to be, and is going to have money thrown at him by the world's richest man ( and I reckon I can guess Elon's view of the EU without needing to google it)
Its the only explanation i can see for all tbe folk on here who believe that Starmer is 1 doing his best to reconcile with europe and 2 that starmer is telling the truth about europe.
Who are those folk? What you've got here isn't gaslighting, it's a strawman.
I'm no fan of Starmer, he has the charisma of undercoat. But he's in a fairly impossible situation. If it were me I'd be pushing the angle that "the people" clearly voted for change. :shrug:
Which bit of the democratic process are you struggling with?
The bit where we have a representative democracy, not a direct one.
In 1856 the people voted for the Whigs. How dare you suggest that we ever have any more votes on anything ever? What bit of “democracy “ don’t you understand?
Quite. A democracy which cannot change its mind fails to be a democracy.
Even a majority of brexit voters would now accept sm and cu
Well, that’s a shame, as those things are gone, and aren’t coming back again
The EU might listen to that majority in, say, 20 years. As for the terms offered, those still around are going to have to swallow hard 🙁
Quite. A democracy which cannot change its mind fails to be a democracy.
At what point then do you stop having referendums over EU membership? I know, we could do best of three. Rock paper scissors? Heads we stay out? I doubt we'll get offered the chance to have a single issue vote again in the near future. When/if we go back in, it'll be Parliament that decides.
We never stop having votes on whatever the govt chooses to have votes on.
That’s sort of fundamental to having democracy, the votes don’t suddenly stop.
Honestly, it’s a very weird argument that you seem to be making. Democracy means we can’t vote on things?
There’s no constitutional reason why we have to have a specific vote on SM membership but there will be lots of voices arguing that we should. Either way, the process has to start somewhere and there more delaying there is now the further into the future it will be.
whose interest does that serve then?
Democracy means we can’t vote on things?
Vote on what?
What’s ahead is thousands of points of alignment and convergence, many of which won’t even get to parliament, never mind a public vote. Font size on chemical labelling anyone? Place your votes…
At what point then do you stop having referendums over EU membership?
Minus one referendumbs ago. It was a bloody stupid idea to have one in 2016 without first having proper checks and balances in place, and it would be equally stupid to have another one today.
I can't believe I'm still having to explain this eight years on. In a representative democracy the people don't vote on individual policies, they vote for political parties who they believe are most likely to act in their best interests. (Or at least where we stand now, least worst.) In a direct democracy such as Switzerland the people do vote on policies but the powers that be still hold the right of veto if the people come up with something bloody stupid like, say, as a totally random example, leaving the EU.
We don't need another referendum, that's the dead last thing we need. We need politicians to grow the **** up and do the job we're paying far too many of them far too much taxpayers' money to do.
Honestly, it’s a very weird argument that you seem to be making. Democracy means we can’t vote on things?
It's not the argument I'm making. The govt at the time decided to abdicate their responsibility and pass it on the people of the UK directly, and they voted. Same as Scottish Independence and alternative voting systems. We get a chance and do the thing. Asking voters to have another crack at it is like saying "You didn't get it right, have another go"
If on the other hand MPs take decisions that we don't want, we get a chance to show our displeasure by voting them out, and asking the other lot to have a go - democracy in action. As @Cougar2 points out, it was a daft decision in the first place, asking people to have another go at it isn't going to make it any better.
The govt at the time decided to abdicate their responsibility and pass it on the people of the UK directly, and they voted.
The government at the time decided to hold an opinion poll, it was only after the result was in and the headbangers got hold of it that we were on a one-way trajectory.
Asking voters to have another crack at it is like saying “You didn’t get it right, have another go”
Again, this is a) eight years later and b) still as bloody stupid as it was three posts back.
We hold local and general elections every few years in case voters have changed their minds and every vox pop survey about brexit has indicated that this is the case since before we actually left. Was this year's GE a case of "you didn’t get it right, have another go"? This argument too is, well, see point b above.
Again again: "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy." Of all people, this is a quote from (future brexit secretary) David Davies.
If we had a system (like the Swiss) who use public referendum frequently, then yep, direct democracy you could do those things, but we don't - we have representative democracy where, generally speaking, unless politicians are too frit or stupid, we don't get asked on particular issues.
Are you really claiming that despite public opinion have moved strongly in favour of return that even small steps towards rapprochement would suddenly reverse public opinion?
That Starmer has no ability to move public opinion but Farage can reverse the direction of movement immediately and dramatically?
Kelvin.
There can be no agreement on anything including convergance until we actually implement the agreements we have made
If we had a system (like the Swiss) who use public referendum frequently, then yep, direct democracy you could do those things, but we don’t – we have representative democracy where, generally speaking, unless politicians are too frit or stupid, we don’t get asked on particular issues.
Are you just arguing with yourself now? That's what I've been saying for half a page. I'm genuinely confused as to what you're trying to say.
Cougar. There are multiple falsehoods promoted by Starmer that are accepted as fact by many folk on here. These statements are demonstrably false.
The idea we can make significant changes to the barriers to trade without the 4 freedoms is the biggest. Its not a question of will. Its a point of EU law.
The next is that we can renegotiate the wirhdrawal agreement. No renogiation is going to hapoen tbe eu have made that clear and also that no discussion even on minor points will happen until we finish implementing the withdrawal agreement
Multipkefolk on here keep saying that these things ate possivle when they are not
There can be no agreement on anything including convergance until we actually implement the agreements we have made
As I said... "There’s a huge job to get on with now, without a distracting argument about something that isn’t happening for a long, long time"
That Starmer has no ability to move public opinion but Farage can reverse the direction of movement immediately and dramatically?
The mistake you're making here - the mistake we are making here - is not recognising/acknowledging/accepting that Farage is so much better at it than Starmer is.
Its a point of EU law.
The UK doesn't care about that. We left, remember? And they need us more than we need them.
“There’s a huge job to get on with now, without a distracting argument about something that isn’t happening for a long, long time”
Which is another one of Starmers falsehoods that you have accepted.
Above you talk about convergance as something that is happening. Its not and cannot
Its not and cannot
Plenty of convergence doesn’t require the EU to do anything, just for us to adopt their regulations and standards as they change. Just get on and quietly do this, rather than diverging. That is all that can be done at this point to enable anything closer in future. The argument about actually joining the Single Market or Customs Union is for so far down the road as to be pointless right now… just get on with the slow slog ahead.
And have this recognised by the EU
convergence will have zero effect on the non tarriff barriers. Only a renegotiation will and that cannot even start until we have finished implementing the WA
That Starmer has no ability to move public opinion but Farage can reverse the direction of movement immediately and dramatically?
Pretty much. Brexit was in the main, a vote against the elite Establishment. It was a poke in the eye to mainstream politicians from voters who felt as if they'd been ignored. Starmer's Labour party (the left in general these days) are the party of both the establishment, and of authorities, and the New Age-QAnon overlap, cultural wars, the Covid-era migration of formerly left-wing skeptics of Big Pharma onto right-wing politics and platforms, all the way through to doubts about the European establishment are now coded as right-wing, Trumpy, Farage and populist. What Farage thinks about the EU will define where our involvement goes in at least the next five years, certainly not what Starmer thinks - despite your claims of gaslighting, I'd bet money if you conducted a poll right now in any UK high street , most people would say that Starmer is a remainer who wants back in.
I’d bet money if you conducted a poll right now in any UK high street , most people would say that Starmer is a remainer who wants back in.
correct IMO - and so are the vast majority of the population.
What a position of despair. So we can do nothing, the majority view counts for nothing, the labour party must dance to Farages tune"
None of this is true. That is Starmers illogical position and far too many of you accept it.
With that - I am out
There's so much going on now..
EU convergence aside I think the next big test of Starmers mettle will be if he can legislate to prevent Musk giving farage the rumored 100 million donation. It's absolute pocket change for Musk to buy influence in another country.
Yes I realise there are already laws in place for foreign donors, but Musk can easily just bypass that by funneling donations through a UK subsidiary company he owns.
Dark times indeed.
What a position of despair. So we can do nothing, the majority view counts for nothing, the labour party must dance to Farages tune”
Not just Labour, but all the mainstream parties. He is; like it or not the voice for as many as 1 in 6 voters. I could go downstairs to my patient waiting room and hear any umber of Farage adjacent opinions from everyone from new mums to old giffers who should know better. It is as you point out; totally idiotic, but here we all are.
Populism, who knew it would be so...er...popular?
1 in 6 is a small minority. “Democracy”, remember?
And they need us more than we need them.
I would be grateful if someone could explain to those (or maybe it's just me) who are behind the curve on the basis for this.
Cheers
And they need us more than we need them
I supsect ...
I would be grateful if someone could explain to those (or maybe it’s just me)
Not just you, 51% of the UK public as demonstrated in the Brexit vote are objectivley stupid and/or selfish.
I would be grateful if someone could explain to those (or maybe it’s just me) who are behind the curve on the basis for this.
Cheers
I read it as sarcasm in response to my post. I said some of what Starmer is saying he is going to do in improving relations with the EU is impossible due to it being incompatible with EU law.
IN response to the objections to my use of the term "gaslighting" I apologise if this has upset anyone. change it to:
Starmer has created a demonstrably false narrative around brexit and many folk have bought into this false narrative
I don't think anyone with any modicum of inteligence is singing the praises of Starmer...we are only just slightly, relieved that the govenment is not Tory/reform.
It's a very low bar, but that's where we are. 🙁
And they need us more than we need them
I read it as sarcasm in response to my post
Nope, on the basis, or my assumption, it was meant as ... they (the EU) need us (GB) more than we need them, I was simply asking the question, what is out there that backs this up.
I sort of get the comment that some of the 52% may have thought that way.
Brexit was in the main, a vote against
Brexit never had a main anything. It was sold as a hundred different things to whomever a particular narrative most appealed. It was a masterclass in guerilla marketing.
Nope, on the basis, or my assumption, it was meant as … they (the EU) need us (GB) more than we need them, I was simply asking the question, what is out there that backs this up.
Nothing backs it up, as TJ says. It was something that was trotted out at the time and it was a bare-faced lie.
I don't recall reading anything that supported that statement either. I just thought I had missed something.
And we still have not enacted the incoming border checks legally required for which the UK is being taken to court and which will damage trade further with huge costs
While Starmer still lies about "closer ties" The EU have made it clear that the withdrawal agreement will not be renegotiated at all and that nothing of substance will be discussed while we are in breach of the WA
No significantly closer ties are possible with Starmers stance
It would also not have been possible to cut the infamous “tampon tax” under EU membership – since then, the EU has followed suit by allowing member states to exempt VAT on sanitary products.
I think this was the only tangible Brexit benefit and even it only lasted for a short while as the EU allowed it.
Blaming Starmer for not trying to overturn and weaken a democratic vote that happened in 2016 is pretty unfair. He’d have the full force of the right gunning for him. The right wing media, Musk and Farage’s army of zombies.
Why didn’t the labour leader who was in tenue between 2015-2020 try to persuade the red wall that Brexit was a lie and would be against their interests. That’s right he was a Brexiteer himself. And had little support outside the metropolitan elite.
Brexit never had a main anything. It was sold as a hundred different things to whomever a particular narrative most appealed. It was a masterclass in guerilla marketing.
Here’s 101 pages of the vote leave adverts pick the one that’s targeted at you 🙂
vote leave adverts as provided to the commons committee
We shouldn’t forget how easy and cheap this is to do, as now human rights are the biggest problem now 🙁
Blaming Starmer for not trying to overturn and weaken a democratic vote that happened in 2016 is pretty unfair. He’d have the full force of the right gunning for him.
"The Right" loves using this sort of language and "The Left" needs to stop repeating it.
Whether the referendum was actually democratic rather than merely claimed to be so after the event in order to defend it is debatable. Either way however, there is no "overturning" to be had, the Tories got brexit done remember. The 2024 General Election didn't overturn the 2019 one nor did it weaken it, rather it was a snapshot of public opinion at a point in time. We had three GEs in four years thanks to tory squabbling, the idea that the referendum is somehow sacrosanct is absurd.
2016 is past history, done, they won we lost shut up and get over it two world wars and one world cup doo dah.
Why didn’t the labour leader who was in tenue between 2015-2020 try to persuade the red wall that Brexit was a lie and would be against their interests.
Because when your enemies are eating themselves, the best thing to do is let them get on with it?
the Tories got brexit done remember
Only its still not over yet! We haven't even finished leaving, the vast majority want back in, until we are back in we cannot reverse the ongoing damage.
Why didn’t the labour leader who was in tenue between 2015-2020 try to persuade the red wall that Brexit was a lie and would be against their interests.
He did in reality but not according to the press. He spoke in favour of remain at more public meetings than anyone else. But all that was reported was the attacks on him from within his own party.
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Yea.. It's kind of understandable especially on the coast or major tourist areas...
Summer houses owned by foreigners left empty 80% of the time driving up property prices for locals trying to get on the housing ladder.. Spain has its own housing crisis and not too dissimilar to the UK where you get (in Manchester for example) loads of huge residential blocks all owned by foreign investment companies... You can rent a nice flat but even if you could potentially afford it, they are not for sale.
the idea that the referendum is somehow sacrosanct is absurd.
I think most folks have realised what a terrible shit show it is, I think most serious politicians realise what a terrible shit show it is but because of the way this country treats public referendum the result is too all intents and purposes 'it' . If this had happened within Parliament, I'd agree with you, but it didn't. Asking people again because either 1. politicians are too frit to sort it out, or 2. the notion/idea that one part of the country wants to ask the other part of the country if it would like another 'go' at the question because it didn't get it right the first time, is just how it's going to go, until it will be resolved by a party gaining power off the back of campaigning to re-join. I don't think it's there quite yet.
I think most serious politicians realise what a terrible shit show it is but because of the way this country treats public referendum the result is too all intents and purposes ‘it’ .
So why are the labour party still pursuing the hardest of hard brexits and insultingly rebuffing olive branches from the EU?
We actually have very little precedent about referenda
I've said it from day 1 - Brexshit was always harder on those under 30 in the UK. They have lost so much more than many of the elderly Breixiteers even understand. I find it heartbreaking, and would happily support a new Erasmus.
(And remember, Erasmus was so, so much more than just student exchanges. It was the gateway to European mobility, the professional exchange platform in education, youth and research, the opportunity for all young people to meet the neighbours and gain perspectives beyond what our UK politicians and society told them, and more.
But for Breixiteers it represented the huge soft power that Europe has as a group of nations collaborating together has.)
Erasmus was so, so much more than just student exchanges. It was the gateway to European mobility, the professional exchange platform in education, youth and research, the opportunity for all young people to meet the neighbours and gain perspectives beyond what our UK politicians and society told them, and more.
Hence why it was instinctively hated by Little Englanders of low intelligence.
If this had happened within Parliament, I’d agree with you, but it didn’t
This. When the original Bill for the referendum was introduced to Parliament, the information paper for MPs explicitly pointed out that a UK referendum cannot be binding on Parliament. The expectation was that Parliament would examine the result and decide the next step. After the referendum, despite it being a close vote (and Farage having said that if it was that close, the other way, he's expect it to be looked at again) Parliament never seriously thought about it and justified their laxity by "It's the will of the people" and because the previous PM had made a personal statement saying it would be implemented. And it was at that point that the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition failed in his duty.
So why are the labour party still pursuing the hardest of hard brexits and insultingly rebuffing olive branches from the EU?
If you hadn't noticed Starmer isn't that popular right now, and the voters he relied on aren't keen enough on the EU still and he hasn't been given a mandate to take us closer... because for better or worse, much of politics is about "the feels". Opinions change in a snap; to take a very famous example; look at appeasement in 1939, it was the overwhelming popular public sentiment, right up until the point that more or less overnight, it suddenly wasn't any more. Brexit and the fallout will take a similar path I reckon, folks are more or less OK with it, it doesn't impact them on a day to day basis (that they can feel), and then suddenly it does in a way that unexpected or unwelcome, and bingo, whoever rides that wave will get the mandate, until that point we're on the shit-show express, stopping at Blue-passport, Independence and [Polish] Spitfires.
And it was at that point that the Leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition failed in his duty.
Do you also blame Tony Blair for the previous Tory administrations failure to manage "the Boats" too?
The blame lies straight at the feet of the Tory Party, do not ever let them forget - when I was approached in July by our prospective Tory MP I reminded him of his and his Party's actions, told him "I would never forgive him & his Party ****ing up the country and its prospects".
I voted for pretty much the only mainstream Party to directly oppose Brexit in 2019 - did you?
And for the likes of TJ; I keep reminding you, we left, that's it - nothing Starmer can do about it, at least not in this Parliament and quite frankly he's far too many larger fires that need tackling before he starts to poke the still burning embers...
And for the likes of TJ; I keep reminding you, we left, that’s it – nothing Starmer can do about it, at least not in this Parliament and quite frankly he’s far too many larger fires that need tackling before he starts to poke the still burning embers…
As as I keep on reminding you - we have not finished leaving yet, there is plenty Starmer could do to improve relations like adopting Erasmus of the youth mobility scheme, those larger fires cannot be put out while we have ever increasing barriers to trade and ever worsening relations with the EU
Brexit and the fallout will take a similar path I reckon, folks are more or less OK with it, it doesn’t impact them on a day to day basis (that they can feel),
this is simply incorrect. Folk feel it every day, public opinion has shifted to be massively in favour of a real rapprochement and Starmer is not even following public opinion let alone trying to lead. a majority of brexit voters would now accept the 4 freedoms! a huge majority across the UK
I remember all you unquestioning labour supporters on here before the election sayinjg - "he has to pretend to be a brexiteer now but he will move us towards the EU once in power" Instead he is actively making things worse by insulting the EU folk who want a rapprochement
I suspect a lot of folk thought that and his actions since getting into power about the EU have turned a lot of these folk off - certainly up here
Folk feel it every day,
Some people do, I could go down to my waiting room right now, and I could find just as many folks who'll tell me it's had precisely zero effect on their lives that they can measure.
Instead he is actively making things worse by insulting the EU folk who want a rapprochement
Starmer has zero mandate to take us closer to the EU, and while he could in theory, and it would improve the economic outlook. For Starmer personally it would be an incredibly risky strategy. He's not at all popular both with the right and left, and while he may be pissing off the folks who want a rapprochement with the EU they're also not the folks who'll be vocal about "Starmer Rejecting the Will of the People" or "Westminster elites stealing your Brexit" or any number of other absurd and unhinged headlines spread over all the right leaning newspapers that'll make him even more unpopular, which in turn will prompt the further left to point out how unpopular Starmer is...It's literally a no win scenario.
I remember all you unquestioning labour supporters
There's very few folks on this forum who are 'unquestioning' There are on the other hand folks who'll you'll find to argue with your own 'automatic rejection' of mainstream Labour , those are not the same thing.
I think most serious politicians realise what a terrible shit show it is
I think this is a severe case of "no true scotsman" fallacy.
How many politicians have actually stated that it's a terrible shitshow (or words to that effect), and of those who have not, which ones do you think are "serious" (albeit cowardly/dishonest) and which ones have actually drunk the kool-aid and believe it's a good thing?
Furthermore, of those who think it's a terrible shitshow, how many of them think that's because it was a terrible idea full stop, and how many because it wasn't done right?
’ There are on the other hand folks who’ll you’ll find to argue with your own ‘automatic rejection’ of mainstream Labour ,
I do not. I praised Starmer yesterday. I look at each issue
There’s very few folks on this forum who are ‘unquestioning’
Aye right.
I do not.
Then please extend the same curtesy to those folks who may argue with you...
public opinion has shifted to be massively in favour of a real rapprochement
The latest Deltapoll for the Mail on Sunday Is more complex (obviously) that the headline numbers, broken down generationally it's clear that Gen Z (Edit,apology) and Millennials are overwhelmingly in favour of re-joining, it becomes less clear at Gen X (39% stay out 45% rejoin) and Baby Boomers (52% stay out, and 36% rejoin) . The problem here of course is that Gen Z and millennials don't vote in anything like the numbers that Gen X and Baby Boomers do, so even if you had a second referendum toady, I don't think you could claim 100% sure we'd be back in.
Some people do, I could go down to my waiting room right now, and I could find just as many folks who’ll tell me it’s had precisely zero effect on their lives that they can measure.
That they are aware of.
See the many links to research showing a set of interrelated and growing negatives of Brexit.
because of the way this country treats public referendum
Almost. It's because of the way this country has been trained to treat a public referendum.
It's been a barrel of porkies from the outset and that didn't stop after the vote. People have been convinced that anything other than a one-way brexit would be an assault on democracy (as demonstrated by the poster I was replying to in the post you just replied to) when in fact it's the opposite. As you say,
Opinions change in a snap
and a democracy which wilfully refuses to acknowledge that is not a democracy.
please extend the same curtesy
Did you mean cute?
quite frankly he’s far too many larger fires that need tackling before he starts to poke the still burning embers…
This. Starmer partly but not entirely due to his own fault is about as popular as Jimmy Savile at a school disco and he surely knows this. He won an election largely because he didn't wear a blue rosette and, again, he must be aware of this too. Whilst it is of course all relative, you don't get to be the head of a major political party by being daft.
He needs some quick wins for popular ideas to get the public back onside before even thinking about poking the sleeping bear that is brexit. It would surprise me greatly if it's even mentioned before the next change in what we increasingly inaccurately call leadership.
Almost. It’s because of the way this country has been trained to treat a public referendum.
Or more accurately still, how everyone has agreed to treat this public referendum (in order not to have another 5 years of parliament discussing nothing else to the determent of everything else). In theory, we could have another at any point, For Starmer it's still a risk. He's still wildly unpopular, and I don't think him suggesting we hold another referendum on this subject will make any difference to that popularity.
and a democracy which wilfully refuses to acknowledge that is not a democracy.
On so many levels the decision to hold the referendum in the first place was a monumentally wilfully stupid idea, so politicians doing nothing right now about the fact that a [depending on who you ask] larger constituency want back in that voted to come out eight years ago is hardly a low point in a history of unaccountability.
and I don’t think him suggesting we hold another referendum on this subject will make any difference to that popularity.
Given that the vast majority want closer relations with the EU and given the only way this can happen is with the 4 freedoms then I very much doubt this if it was properly explained. I believe that a some of the movement away from labour is folk that like many on here thought he would actually do something to get closer to the EU and are disgusted by his actions towards the EU
Also given that our economy is being badly damaged by this and that getting back into the SM and CU would be an immediate economic boost its stupi8d to keep on with his hard brexit position.
Its going to be a process and it will take a while but its high time he started. Erasmus and the youth mobility scheme would be a good starting point as would Stopping divergence, finally implementing the withdrawal agreement and then looking to reduce customs barriers
just wit until import controls that we are legally required to do start. Its going to be a complete shitshow. Shortage of fruit and veg will certainly be felt.
He has 4.5 years until the next election. rapprochement with the EU would give huge positive effects before then